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2004\10\15@104720 by J. Gromlich

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Hi Bob:

I would have to agree that WinMe is a disaster, and I would be only
too happy to upgrade the OS on the computer - I have a nice legal copy of Win2K Pro (and Win2K Server, for that matter) from when
I worked for a Certified MS Developer. The problem is that it is an HP desktop and they claim there is no upgrade path to Win2K Pro or Win XP. This is one of those all-on-one-board computers, and there are no drivers on HP's website for this motherboard and BIOS used with 2K or XP.   There is a recover CD which came with the system -
one would only use it in a true emergency, since it is a disk IMAGE
and puts the system back to the form it was in the day it came out of the box - minus everything that you have done in the interim..
So I have hesitated to try the upgrade lest I end up with an unusable box. It has been a long time since I enjoyed playing driver roulette
trying to get the hardware to actually work as intended. Another reason I hesitate is that if I change the OS I would lose a lot of my installed application software, since I no longer have access to the install disks.

I do have an install disk for WinME (which did NOT come with the computer), so I could (in theory) go back to Me if the 2K install didn't work, but I would still be out a lot of applications.
For now I will have to live with the error messages, since they don't appear to indicate anything real. Sooner or later a software upgrade will break so badly that I won't be able to use the system, and then I will have to deal with it. Truly a sad state of affairs, by that is
MickeySoft for you.

------- Roy ------------

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Look, Roy, from what my friends have told me, and my personal experience, WinME is unable to perform any really effective work. I got my money returned  from Best Buy, even their staff techs could not get WinME to run reliably.

You need to buy a legal copy of Win2000 PRO from Ebay, then get the MS Upgrades (they'll mail you a CD).  All of that craziness will stop. XP is ALMOST  (but not quite) ready for primetime; Win2K with all its shots is.

Here's how MS works. They release a razzle-dazzle product. The customers complain, and in about 4 years they finally have it working as right as they can get it (NO MS product works correctly).  Unfortunately, they never even worked on WinME. Its still as broken as the day it was released.

--Bob
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2004\10\15@111623 by Bob Axtell

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HP locked in to WinME? That's the stupidest decision HP ever made. Even
Win98 at least
works on most applications, along with myriad clashes.

Might be time to get a new Dell...

--Bob

Roy J. Gromlich wrote:

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2004\10\15@121344 by Alan B. Pearce

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>HP locked in to WinME? That's the stupidest decision HP
>ever made. Even Win98 at least works on most applications,
>along with myriad clashes.
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>Might be time to get a new Dell...

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I would suggest looking at the compatibility list for XP on the M$ website.
You may find that the hardware has suitable drivers already in XP.

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2004\10\15@142459 by Howard Winter

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Bob,

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:16:22 -0700, Bob Axtell wrote:

> HP locked in to WinME? That's the stupidest decision HP ever made.

Indeed!  Not HP as such, but some of their machine-models.  A friend in California does PC support and had a
client with one of these machines.  Rebooting five times a day was common, with attendant loss of data when
transactions were being processed.  Nobody (including HP tech support and the shop where she bought it) could
get it sorted out.  Neither W2k nor XP were an option, as mentioned previously - the machine was "built for
ME" and that was it.  She eventually copied her data to another storage medium, took the machine back and got
a refund.  There really was no other way to get this machine (which was running a small business) to work
properly.

It's been said before: "Never buy earlier than Version 3 from Microsoft" - and since ME never got that far...

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


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2004\10\16@092752 by Philip Pemberton

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In message <.....E1CIWl9-0007eB-00KILLspamspam@spam@pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net>>          "Howard Winter" <HDRWspamKILLspamh2org.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> It's been said before: "Never buy earlier than Version 3 from Microsoft" -
> and since ME never got that far...

Even 2k is nasty. I've just spent nine hours reinstalling, then along comes a
Service Pack (or HotFix, whatever the hell it was) that breaks the Sony NetMD
software (OpenMG and SimpleBurner). I removed said Hotfix and it trashed the
filesystem on the boot drive for me. If SimpleBurner ran on Linux, I'd
consign the 2k CD to the dustbin and use Linux. Unfortunately, although most
of the other hardware works (yes, even my National Instruments GPIB-TNT+ -
speaking of which, anyone got a spare PCI GPIB card?), my MZ-N710 NetMD
won't. Now because the system won't boot, I can't deauthorize iTunes, which
means I've lost one of my three licenses. Lovely. Now you know why I prefer
CDs...
iTunes> "OMIGOD! That was the last license! All that music I bought... GONE!"
CDs> "Oh. The hard drive's gone bang-splat. Well, guess I need to re-rip the
     CDs again..."

At this moment in time, the one thing I *REALLY* want to see is Bill Gates,
Steve Ballmer and the entire M$ Windoze development team tarred and
feathered.

The messy details are in my blog -
<http://www.greatestjournal.com/users/philpem> iirc, or use the link off my
website's main page. Updates every hour or so :-/

Later.
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2004\10\16@131003 by Bob Axtell

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I concur. These guys have certainly put real meaning into the
words "Flim-Flam Artist" ; making PT Barnum look like a
Sunday School Teacher.

--Bob

Philip Pemberton wrote:

> At this moment in time, the one thing I *REALLY* want to see is Bill
> Gates,
>
>Steve Ballmer and the entire M$ Windoze development team tarred and
>feathered.
>  
>

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2004\10\17@015601 by Philip Pemberton

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In message <417155EB.3000701spamspam_OUTcotse.net>
         Bob Axtell <@spam@engineerKILLspamspamcotse.net> wrote:

> I concur. These guys have certainly put real meaning into the
> words "Flim-Flam Artist" ; making PT Barnum look like a
> Sunday School Teacher.

Amen!

I did, incidentally, find out why the NetMD software (and some of my Delphi
add-ons) got clobbered. Seems there's either a bug in OpenMG or in MICROS~1's
"KB840987" patch for Win2k. Install '987 and OpenMG, SonicStage, SimpleBurner
and basically any other Sony Minidisc software will fail to encode the audio
data in a quite spectacular fashion. In short, "fall down go boom" with
plenty of blue.

I did wonder where all the bluescreens came from.. now I know.

Later.
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http://www.philpem.me.uk/          | 48xCD, ARCINv6c IDE, SCSI
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