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2006\03\11@111123 by John Pearson

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I want to buy a Visual Basic development program. I want to make an application similar to a terminal emulator, using a serial port, that will run on Win 95, 98, 2000 and XP machines.

Would VB.Net be a good choice, or perhaps not? I don't know what .Net means.

Thanks

John

2006\03\11@115023 by Matthew Fries

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Since the .NET framework's minimum system requirements preclude it from
running on Windows 95, I would guess that it probably won't work for your needs.

You would have better luck with VB 6, I think.



At 08:12 AM 3/11/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>I want to buy a Visual Basic development program. I want to make an
application similar to a terminal emulator, using a serial port, that will
run on Win 95, 98, 2000 and XP machines.
>
>Would VB.Net be a good choice, or perhaps not? I don't know what .Net means.
>
>Thanks
>
>John
>-

2006\03\11@120056 by Tim N9PUZ

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John Pearson wrote:
> I want to buy a Visual Basic development program. I want to make an
> application similar to a terminal emulator, using a serial port,
> that will run on Win 95, 98, 2000 and XP machines.
>
> Would VB.Net be a good choice, or perhaps not? I don't know what
> .Net means.
>
> Thanks
>
> John

.NET is a programming framework MS uses in newer versions of its
languages. I don't believe .NET apps will run on Win95.

Tim

2006\03\11@120819 by David VanHorn

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Are you aware of Bray's Terminal?

http://bray.velenje.cx/avr/terminal/

If what you need is a terminal program for debugging, I highly recommend
it.

2006\03\11@122318 by Victor Faria

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You may want to look at Liberty Basic.
http://www.libertybasic.com
victor
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Subject: [OT] is VB.Net right for me?


>I want to buy a Visual Basic development program. I want to make an
>application similar to a terminal emulator, using a serial port, that will
>run on Win 95, 98, 2000 and XP machines.
>
> Would VB.Net be a good choice, or perhaps not? I don't know what .Net
> means.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
> --

2006\03\11@123604 by Padu

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Try Delphi and Turbopower's APRO (free, from sourceforge.net). Making serial
comm. apps with APRO is really a nobrainer. It has components that allow you
to describe your data package and it will nicely trigger events when a
package has been received. Pretty solid set of components. You can run in
any version of windows and no need to install any additional packages (ie
.net framework)

cheers

Padu

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2006\03\11@123726 by Lindy Mayfield

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I think that .NET is a framework for creating web services.  A Web service is an open client server technology where the client requests and service responses communications use the SOAP/XML standard.  Google has some free web services they offer.

Someone posted a link to a free VB-clone some months ago.  I've searched for what it was but I can't find it.  The query "vb clone" in Google turned up some interesting links...



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2006\03\11@124138 by Lindy Mayfield

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Oh, I think the clone I was thinking of was RealBasic.

http://www.realsoftware.com/



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Subject: [OT] is VB.Net right for me?

I want to buy a Visual Basic development program. I want to make an application similar to a terminal emulator, using a serial port, that will run on Win 95, 98, 2000 and XP machines.

Would VB.Net be a good choice, or perhaps not? I don't know what .Net means.

Thanks

John


2006\03\11@131621 by Padu

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Well, not only that. .NET is a platform abstraction framework.
"Theoretically", someone could implement the framework for other platforms.
Actually, someone already implemented it for linux
(http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page) so applications you develop for .net
can run in any platform that implements the framework (we've heard that
before, don't we?). Yes, .net is similar to a java vm.
While it does network aware projects very well, it is also capable of other
types of projects as well.

Cheers

Padu


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2006\03\11@140755 by Lindy Mayfield

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I agree with you. I'm not defending Microsoft.

But I would like to defend SOA.  It is my understanding that if you abstract the interface enough then it shouldn't matter at all whether it is a Java webservice running in a servlet container or something written in .NET.  

On the other hand, now that I think about it, it is not beyond Microsoft to sabotage the standard.  I remember trying the Google web service api and it worked beautifully from Perl.  But when I tried the example with VB it failed with some strange type mismatch error.  

So nevermind. You're absolutely correct.  (-:



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2006\03\11@212749 by Russell McMahon

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> You may want to look at Liberty Basic.
> http://www.libertybasic.com

At a quick glance it LOOKs good.
The $US30 price can't be all bad.

Free trial version available.
The book "Beginning programming for dummies" uses Liberty BASIC as
it's target language - a 2 faced compliment :-)

Their aim apprars to be a sinmple easily earned language purposefully
not made "feature ricj" but able to meet most programming needs. Looks
lime a good path into Windows BASIC from the light-side (dark screens)
BASICS of yore.


           RM







2006\03\12@000003 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 3/12/06, Russell McMahon <EraseMEapptechspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> > You may want to look at Liberty Basic.
> > http://www.libertybasic.com
>
> At a quick glance it LOOKs good.
> The $US30 price can't be all bad.
>
> Free trial version available.
> The book "Beginning programming for dummies" uses Liberty BASIC as
> it's target language - a 2 faced compliment :-)
>

But Visual Basic.Net Express edition is free now. The only problem is that
it will not work on Win95. Anyway I guess Win95 and Win98 are too old
to support. There seems to be quite some tutorials on Microsoft's website.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2006\03\12@043446 by Richard Prosser

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RealBasic??

RP

On 12/03/06, Lindy Mayfield <Lindy.Mayfieldspamspam_OUTssf.sas.com> wrote:
> I think that .NET is a framework for creating web services.  A Web service is an open client server technology where the client requests and service responses communications use the SOAP/XML standard.  Google has some free web services they offer.
>
> Someone posted a link to a free VB-clone some months ago.  I've searched for what it was but I can't find it.  The query "vb clone" in Google turned up some interesting links...
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2006\03\12@050002 by Stef Mientki

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>But Visual Basic.Net Express edition is free now.
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free for one year AFAIK, and it's a limited version.
Stef Mientki

>  
>

2006\03\12@055930 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 3/12/06, Stef Mientki <@spam@s.mientkiKILLspamspammailbox.kun.nl> wrote:
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> >But Visual Basic.Net Express edition is free now.
> >
> free for one year AFAIK, and it's a limited version.
> Stef Mientki
>

Yes it is free to *download* for one year. Once you download it, it
will remain fully functional afterwards.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2006\03\12@093055 by Victor Faria

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They also have a free version called just basic.
There are also very active groups and forums for liberty basic.
Always someone willing to help.
Including the author Carl Gundel.
Victor

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2006\03\12@211310 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Xiaofan Chen wrote:

>>>But Visual Basic.Net Express edition is free now.
>>>
>> free for one year AFAIK, and it's a limited version.

All compilers are in one way or another "limited" :)

> Yes it is free to *download* for one year. Once you download it, it
> will remain fully functional afterwards.

And fully licensed.

Gerhard

2006\03\12@212141 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Lindy Mayfield wrote:

> On the other hand, now that I think about it, it is not beyond Microsoft
> to sabotage the standard.  

I'm not sure, but I think some parts of .NET are ISO standards.

Gerhard

2006\03\13@083539 by Luis.Moreira

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Java could be a good one for you everything is free even the tutorials.
I just started with it and I am finding it really good, plenty of help on line. I am actually following a book by David J. Barnes and Michael Kölling called objects first with Java. It comes with it's one IDE called BlueJ that uses the Sun Java compiler. I can not fault it, it as actually been adopted as a test book at a lot of UK Universities.
This is the site for it: http://www.bluej.org

If you manage to finish the book you will definitely be able to do your program and much more.
Hope this helps
Regards
       Luis



   

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2006\03\14@152521 by Howard Winter

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Gerhard,

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:10:59 -0300, Gerhard Fiedler wrote:

> Lindy Mayfield wrote:
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> > On the other hand, now that I think about it, it is not beyond Microsoft
> > to sabotage the standard.  
>
> I'm not sure, but I think some parts of .NET are ISO standards.

That's never stopped them before!  :-)

Cheers,

Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\03\14@154314 by Howard Winter

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Russell,

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:19:06 +1300, Russell McMahon wrote:

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Well it's a return to the whole reason BASIC ("Beginners' Allpurpose Symbolic Instruction Code") was brought
into being - to allow non-programmers (in those days often scientists and engineers or students of those
things) to be able to use a computer to help themselves, rather than depend on professional programmers to
interpret and implement their stuff for them.  It was never intended to be used to produce commercial
software.  The fact that it spread and expanded as it did was more a function of the barriers to entry of
other "professional" languages, rather than its suitability for the task.

On that basis I applaud Libertybasic for what they are doing.  But VB.net is so far from it in every way that
it's almost daft to compare them.  IMHO, of course!  :-)

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\03\14@154707 by Howard Winter

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John,

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:12:37 -0800, John Pearson wrote:

> I want to buy a Visual Basic development program. I want to make an application similar to a terminal
emulator, using a serial port, that will run on Win 95, 98, 2000 and XP machines.
>
> Would VB.Net be a good choice, or perhaps not? I don't know what .Net means.

Absolutely not, since it fails your requirement of running under the versions of Windows you mention.  If you
just want a terminal emulator, there are a lot of them about!  If you want to go further, though, perhaps you
could consider using a terminal emulator as a front-end and writing your code behind it?

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\03\14@171256 by Padu

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>> I'm not sure, but I think some parts of .NET are ISO standards.


The CLI is defined by ECMA-335 while C# is specified by ECMA-334. I believe
there are ISO counterparts for them.

Cheers

Padu

2006\03\14@175056 by Luis.Moreira

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Hi Howard,
I am a bit curious about the expression IMHO that you use, what does it
mean?
I am Portuguese and I leave in the UK (Gloucester, Gloucestershire) for
10 years now and I never came across that expression.
I know that it will be something very simple, but before it consumes me
can you let me know? :)
Thanks
       Luis


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2006\03\14@190934 by Padu

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From: "Luis Moreira" <RemoveMELuis.MoreiraTakeThisOuTspamjet.uk>
> I am a bit curious about the expression IMHO that you use, what does it
> mean?


In My Humble Opinion -> Na minha modesta opiniao

There is a list somewhere in the internet with these type of things (AFAIK,
ASAP, RTFM, etc), google for these acronyms and you'll find it... :-)

Saudacoes de um Brasileiro

2006\03\15@073357 by Luis.Moreira

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Obrigado Padu,
Thanks Padu,
Eu posso agora continuar com a minha vida normal. :)
I can now carry on with my life. :)

Um abraco
               Luis



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