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2004\10\13@141301 by J. Gromlich

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Cell phone etiquette in France (for now) - coming to a theater near you.

http://msn-cnet.com.com/France+fries+cell+phones/2100-1039_3-5406796.html?part=msn-cent&tag=tg_nav&subj=ns_5406796

Once again the inconsiderate masses are ruining a good thing for the rest of us. So if someone tries to reach you in an emergency - they can't.

Roy

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2004\10\13@141958 by Dave VanHorn

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At 01:12 PM 10/13/2004, Roy J. Gromlich wrote:


>Cell phone etiquette in France (for now) - coming to a theater near you.
>
>http://msn-cnet.com.com/France+fries+cell+phones/2100-1039_3-5406796.html?part=msn-cent&tag=tg_nav&subj=ns_5406796
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>Once again the inconsiderate masses are ruining a good thing for the rest
>of us. So if someone tries to reach you in an emergency - they can't.

Dumb..

If the phone guys thought about this for five minutes, they could work out
a simple system where the phone is set to vibrate only by a local signal,
and a voice warning to step outside is put in front of answering the call..

Someone's going to miss a critical call because of this, and then I hope
the venue has astronomical liability insurance.


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2004\10\13@200634 by M. Adam Davis

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Many of these systems are very intelligent (they have to determine if
someone is dialing 911 or the equivilant and let it go through).

Considerate users will allow brief (10 second) activity so you can at
least know someone tried calling, perhaps get caller ID, but not enough
time to actually start talking.

-Adam

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2004\10\13@212053 by Jake Anderson

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i'm on their side
who dosent turn their phone off in a cinema or a play,
especially a live performance.

thats just plain rude.

i cant actually think of an instance where sombody would
die if they couldnt contact me personally.
if sombody is in life and death trouble they should be calling
emergincy services anyway.


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2004\10\15@090835 by Howard Winter
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Jake,

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:20:51 +1000, Jake Anderson wrote:

> i'm on their side
> who dosent turn their phone off in a cinema or a play,
> especially a live performance.
>
> thats just plain rude.

Absolutely - I agree completely.

> i cant actually think of an instance where sombody would
> die if they couldnt contact me personally.
> if sombody is in life and death trouble they should be calling
> emergincy services anyway.

Indeed, and anyone who is in a position like this shouldn't rely on such things as mobile phones if they may
be needed.  I remember when I was a kid that occasionally a message would be flashed up on the cinema screen
asking a particular person to go to the manager's office - presumably they had told others where they'd be,
and some sort of emergency had arisen.  Let's face it, from the dawn of time to about fifteen years ago there
was no way to contact someone by mobile phone, so what did we do then?

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


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2004\10\15@094801 by alan smith

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Howard Winter <spam_OUTHDRWTakeThisOuTspamh2org.demon.co.uk> wrote:Jake,

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:20:51 +1000, Jake Anderson wrote:

> i'm on their side
> who dosent turn their phone off in a cinema or a play,
> especially a live performance.
>
> thats just plain rude.

Absolutely - I agree completely.

> i cant actually think of an instance where sombody would
> die if they couldnt contact me personally.
> if sombody is in life and death trouble they should be calling
> emergincy services anyway.

Indeed, and anyone who is in a position like this shouldn't rely on such things as mobile phones if they may
be needed. I remember when I was a kid that occasionally a message would be flashed up on the cinema screen
asking a particular person to go to the manager's office - presumably they had told others where they'd be,
and some sort of emergency had arisen. Let's face it, from the dawn of time to about fifteen years ago there
was no way to contact someone by mobile phone, so what did we do then?

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


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2004\10\15@114545 by William Chops Westfield

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On Oct 15, 2004, at 6:08 AM, Howard Winter wrote:

>> i cant actually think of an instance where sombody would
>> die if they couldnt contact me personally.

Come on.  There are many situations well short of life-and-death
that make it acceptable to slightly intrude on someone else's
(ok, a BUNCH of someone elses') entertainment.

"How dare you let your cellphone call that your kid is sick at
school and needs to be picked up interfere with my enjoyment of
Die-hard 7!"  ??  gimme a break.

BillW

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2004\10\15@115619 by Dave VanHorn

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At 10:45 AM 10/15/2004, William "Chops" Westfield wrote:

>On Oct 15, 2004, at 6:08 AM, Howard Winter wrote:
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>>>i cant actually think of an instance where sombody would
>>>die if they couldnt contact me personally.
>
>Come on.  There are many situations well short of life-and-death
>that make it acceptable to slightly intrude on someone else's
>(ok, a BUNCH of someone elses') entertainment.
>
>"How dare you let your cellphone call that your kid is sick at
>school and needs to be picked up interfere with my enjoyment of
>Die-hard 7!"  ??  gimme a break.

Indeed.. Who's being arrogant here? :)

I guess we could go back to the phone number on the screen, where we are
100% assured of disturbing everyone, instead of the phone situation where
we are only disturbing a small number of people..


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2004\10\15@155917 by Peter L. Peres

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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Dave VanHorn wrote:

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Question: Is there a paragraph somewhere in the cell phone agreement that
says 'not to be used as a life saver / not to be used in life support
systems' just like most chips and products have ? Because they should have
such a sticker imho, and FRS radios too.

Someone came up with cellphone-blocking wallpaint and I'm pretty sure
there is a similar product made of stamped metal (aluminium covered with
conductive plastic I think).

This is like the rules on the piclist: You have a rule and then that's
that. Or you have a rule and then maybe it applies, maybe not. It's your
choice, but sometimes you have to vote with your feet to make that choice
imho.

Peter
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2004\10\15@161350 by Herbert Graf

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On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 11:45, William Chops Westfield wrote:
> On Oct 15, 2004, at 6:08 AM, Howard Winter wrote:
>
> >> i cant actually think of an instance where sombody would
> >> die if they couldnt contact me personally.
>
> Come on.  There are many situations well short of life-and-death
> that make it acceptable to slightly intrude on someone else's
> (ok, a BUNCH of someone elses') entertainment.
>
> "How dare you let your cellphone call that your kid is sick at
> school and needs to be picked up interfere with my enjoyment of
> Die-hard 7!"  ??  gimme a break.

Agreed, and it doesn't always have to be a matter of life or death. What
about something like your daughter is at a party and due to some hairy
stuff going on wants to leave. She tries to call you to pick her up
because the rampant drug use is something she doesn't want to be
involved with, but never gets through...

If I choose to be in a theatre with my cell phone's ringer on that's my
choice, the theatre owner has the choice of throwing me out if it rings,
that's his choice, which was due to my choice. The worst that will
happen to everyone else is a minor annoyance, nobody will be hurt
(except me with my ringing cell phone perhaps).

OTOH by blocking, the theatre owner is making the choice both for me and
for everyone one else who might want to call me. I don't like things
like that. All I can see by a move like this is a bunch of lawsuits
appearing, which will eventually make blocking "civilly illegal". TTYL

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2004\10\20@060026 by Nate Duehr

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On Oct 13, 2004, at 12:20 PM, Dave VanHorn wrote:

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Especially since if they do this in the U.S., it's illegal.

If I ever notice any local businesses doing this here, I'll document it  
to the hilt, including field strength and frequencies and send it to  
the local FCC Field Office, who'll open a case and probably fine them  
heavily for illegal jamming.  FCC doesn't like vigilantes hijacking  
their spectrum management.  (Nextel notwithstanding... GRIN.)

Jammers of any sort are irresponsible and dangerous.

Emergency Services personnel (on-duty and off) as well as all types of  
critical infrastructure workers everywhere carry cell phones these  
days.  And the vast majority know how to use this tool responsibly to  
stay in contact with people who need them.  Jamming a cop's cell phone  
(or worse, a poorly designed broad-banded jamming transmitter with  
spurs into EMS, Police, and Fire frequencies) while he's walking past  
your store tailing a suspect is NOT the right way to handle a SOCIAL  
problem.  Throwing anyone OUT IMMEDIATELY who answers a ringing cell  
phone in your establishment (note I said ringing... if it vibrated and  
the person properly excused themselves and went to the lobby or other  
area, that's the right idea here...), and asking them not to return, is  
the correct response to their bad behavior.

Nate

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2004\10\20@121128 by Bob Blick

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> Throwing anyone OUT IMMEDIATELY who answers a ringing cell
> phone in your establishment

Hi Nate,

I take it you've never relied on customers for your source of income?

About the only place I can think of that can get away with a policy like
that is the Department of Motor Vehicles, everybody else tries to
accomodate their customers, and that means tolerating their rude use of
cellphones.

The new cellphone jamming systems are quite intelligent, I don't see what
you're complaining about - even our Secret Service uses cellphone jammers
to protect the President. Restaurants and movie theaters just want to give
their guests the same protection given to our head of state :)

Cheerful regards,

Bob


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