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'[OT] XP pro recycle bin problem'
2005\08\06@201829 by Groups

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I realise this is way off topic but hoping someone may have had experience
with this.

Every time I try to empty he recycle bin, it clears all the listed files and
directories but a message
dialog comes up saying it cannot delete a certain directory because disk is
full or no write permission.

The directory is an old one that no longer exists and there is no visible
link in the recycle bin to enable
me to manually delete the entry.

Anyone know what is going on here and how I can clear the "hidden" entry.

Thanks in advance


Kind Regards

David Huisman
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2005\08\07@000348 by Andre Abelian

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David,

before you do any thing I think you should check a few things.
1. download SPYBOT from download.com install and run it
   this will clean some spyware
2. download ANTISPYWARE from microsoft.com and run it
   this will clean more spyware
3. go to http://www.trendmicro.com and let it scan your pc for virus
   I know you have it your own. it is free online scan and works
4. make sure you have all XP updates SP2 etc.

do all of that and let me know if it helped or not.

Andre Abelian






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2005\08\07@054758 by Groups

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Andre,

I ran Spybot and Antispy and performed Virus scan and was surprised to see
heaps
of entries of Adware etc.

It is interesting that all this stuff still gets in even with a hardware
firewall on the router, software
firewall running and antivirus running. I have installed the real-time
antispy program also.

This did not fix the recycle bin problem. I also followed suggestions on
several sites to try
remove info2 and ran several utilities to try and clean out recycle bin.

I don't really want to need to reinstall Windows to get the bin empty so I
may have to follow a
few more links and try some more of the suggestions. The dialog tells me
there are 8 entries
in the recycle bin (that I cannot see). It mentions it cannot delete a
certain directory.
I can see this directory in DOS if I change the file attributes but cannot
seem to get rid of it.

Any other suggestions ?

Thanks


Kind Regards

David Huisman
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(Telemetry, Control, Monitoring, Security, HVAC ...)
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Website : http://www.orbitcoms.com
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Phone: 61-2-4393-3627
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2005\08\07@070320 by Anand Dhuru

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How about deleting any entries for that folder name using 'Regedit'?

Make sure you set up a restore point before you try this, though. Also back
up the registry.

Regards,

Anand

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2005\08\07@075752 by Morgan Olsson

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This looks similar to file problems i have had on Win2k NTFS partitions.
For example I could see files listed, but trying to delete them made the system respond with a message the file does not exist, or an error message i have forgot.  Some files got weird names including file-name-illegal symbols.  I also had some user files dissapear.
It got worse and i ended up reinstalling now and then- This happened every x moths but have stopped since a) SP3 upgrade b) removal of Promise ULTRA-ATA hard disk controller and reinstall using standard ISA driver. (I got desperate)(so i since use main board slower hardware)  I don´t know what did it.
Funnlily I did not have thoose problems with the FAT32 partition on th esame drive, probably some incompatibility problem with some NTFS driver only.  I thought it should be more safe to run NTFS...

You might want to update to latest harddisk controller driver for it not to happen again or try remove or change harddisk controller hardware.

I also in history have had a hard disk with transmittent errors.  Both NT and OS/2 install attempts produced all kind of weird error messages, Win95 installed and screwed up.

I think i ran a disk test utility but it did not find any error.  So i tried harder: Using DOS i got error message sometime when copying file to it from diskette, trying to read it back produced "sector not found".  With screen copy from that I got the drive exchanged (no cost) for another -of exact same type- and it solved everything.

Never trust anything...

/Morgan

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2005\08\07@094606 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Groups wrote:

> The directory is an old one that no longer exists and there is no visible
> link in the recycle bin to enable
> me to manually delete the entry.

Not sure this is too obvious, but did you enable seeing hidden and system
files/folders in the Folder Options? (In Explorer: Tools | Folder
Options... | View.)

There are two entries: select "Show hidden files and folders" and uncheck
"Hide protected operating system files".

If this makes you see the entries, then it may help to remove the system
attribute from them before trying to delete them. There are sometimes cases
where this works through the command line ("attrib") even though it doesn't
work through Explorer.

Gerhard

2005\08\07@125420 by Peter

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On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Groups wrote:

> It is interesting that all this stuff still gets in even with a
> hardware firewall on the router, software firewall running and
> antivirus running. I have installed the real-time antispy program
> also.

The problem is that html was born a stateless protocol and that all the
crafty salespeople out there have been looking for, and finding, ways to
make it stateful. So it is a problem and it is not going away, no matter
what you do, because by now nobody *wants* it to go away. Not the
vendors who rely on advertising, not the spyware remover vendors, and
not the ISP providers who gladly sell bandwidth and rent servers to move
all that scum.

Peter

2005\08\08@004207 by Maris

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I don't know if this will help, but you could try the "Delete FXP Files"
utility. You can get it from http://www.jrtwine.com/Products/DelFXPFiles/,
or just search for the filename with Google.

A while ago I discovered some hidden files on my desktop which couldn't be
deleted no matter what I tried. They had hidden, read-only and system
attributes set, and WinXP wouldn't let me delete them because they were
"protected operating system files". Nor could I change their attributes,
rename them or move them for the same reason.

I couldn't delete them in DOS either, because the filenames had spaces in
them, so the second part looked like an incorrect parameter and gave an
error message no matter what operation I tried. After trying a variety of
attribute-changing utilities, (none of which worked), I was finally able to
delete them with the FXP Delete utility.

Try this: set your protected operating files to visible and try to locate
the files in Windows. If found, run FXP Delete on them. Since your
situation is different, this may or may not work for you.

It's also possible you have something in your registry that shouldn't be
there; you could try running a registry cleaner. You can get some free ones
at http://www.snapfiles.com in the freeware section under System Utilities; ones
I've used before are RegSeekger and RegScrubXP.

Good luck...
Maris

2005\08\08@020216 by Russell McMahon

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> I couldn't delete them in DOS either, because the filenames had
> spaces in them, so the second part looked like an incorrect
> parameter and gave an error message no matter what operation I
> tried.


You can *usually* handle file names with spaces in DOS by enclosing
the filename in quotes.

eg        del "a long file name.what a nuisance"

This may have to be done from safe mode or "Command Prompt" from
startup to stop XP protecting them.
At that stage they may turn into short file names due to DOS so maybe
my advice is irrelevant :-).

If you have one of Windows lovely long unique identifiers which are
hard & tedious to enter correctly you can dir to a file and work from
that image.

eg my mail is in     ...\{2E2834CD-69A6-4B16-A11E-D4AE13A0264F}\....



       RM

2005\08\08@042146 by Groups

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Thanks all those who replied to this thread for the advice.

I have attempted to systematically work through the suggestions burning up
heaps of time trying to sort this out.
I think I'll try reinstalling Windows XP Pro (hopefully keeping existing
applications).

Failing this I might have to do a total reinstall and another call to Mickey
Soft for re-activation.


Kind Regards

David Huisman
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(Telemetry, Control, Monitoring, Security, HVAC ...)
A.C.N. 107 441 869


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PO Box 4474 Lakehaven
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Phone: 61-2-4393-3627
Fax  : 61-2-4393-3685
Mobile: 61-413-715-986

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2005\08\08@081034 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Russell McMahon wrote:

>> I couldn't delete them in DOS either, because the filenames had
>> spaces in them, so the second part looked like an incorrect
>> parameter and gave an error message no matter what operation I
>> tried.
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> You can *usually* handle file names with spaces in DOS by enclosing
> the filename in quotes.

I've had a problem with a directory entry that had a space at the end. I
don't know whether that was the only problem with it, but it wouldn't let
me delete it -- not with Explorer, not with the command line using quotes.
Nor would it let me rename it; no access allowed using the long name it
had.

But I could delete it using the 8.3 name that's associated with every LFN
entry. Try "dir /x" to see the short names (or "dir /a /x" to see the short
names of all entries, including system and hidden files). Sometimes this
helps.

Gerhard

2005\08\08@110645 by Marcel Duchamp

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If you are so far along that reinstalling windows is a likely scenario,
then this might be one of those situations that a Knoppix CD could help
with.  (I don't know if Knoppix can write to NTFS partitions, however...)

But if you are sure that deleting the particular files is ok to do, and
windows won't let you do this, then Knoppix just might work.

The deal with Knoppix is that your computer boots from the CD and
windows never runs.  Knoppix, a Linux variant, takes over and lets you
examine your drives and possibly, allows deletion of the file in
question.  If faced with a reinstall, I personally would give this a try.

As usual, ymmv.


Groups wrote:
> Thanks all those who replied to this thread for the advice.
>
> I have attempted to systematically work through the suggestions burning up
> heaps of time trying to sort this out.
> I think I'll try reinstalling Windows XP Pro (hopefully keeping existing
> applications).
>
> Failing this I might have to do a total reinstall and another call to Mickey
> Soft for re-activation.

2005\08\08@163723 by Hector Martin

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Marcel Duchamp wrote:
> If you are so far along that reinstalling windows is a likely scenario,
> then this might be one of those situations that a Knoppix CD could help
> with.  (I don't know if Knoppix can write to NTFS partitions, however...)

Linux itself can't (it can read though, and overwrite file data if the
length doesn't change, but not full write support, since Microsoft
does not publish the specs). Knoppix (and other distros) do it with a
wrapper around the windows NTFS driver. Which means it might work, or
it might not, since if Windows is having trouble, and it's at driver
level, Linux is going to have the same problems. Or maybe not, who
knows. Might be worth a shot.

It amuses me every day when NTFS partitions blow up, considering it
was supposed to be a "much better filesystem". At least with FAT32 and
a hexeditor you could fix stuff yourself. Been using reiserfs for
several years with all sorts of mistreat (forced shutdowns, physically
unplugging the HD while running, etc), and the only corruption I had
was due to physical HDD damage. It's faster too, and can handle way
more "logical mistreat" (thousands of files in a directory etc) than
NTFS can. Too bad Windows folks don't have reiserfs :-)

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2005\08\08@165818 by Ben Hencke

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Why use the recycle bin at all? Never mind those "environment
friendly" computer functions. Just incinerate your files instantly
with shift-del and you can even save a few clicks :-)

- Ben

2005\08\08@182913 by William Chops Westfield

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On Aug 8, 2005, at 1:22 AM, Groups wrote:
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> I have attempted to systematically work through the suggestions
> burning up
> heaps of time trying to sort this out.
> I think I'll try reinstalling Windows XP Pro (hopefully keeping
> existing
> applications).
>
that seems a bit extreme just to get rid of some deleted files...

Have you tried booting in "safe" mode to see if you have better luck?
That would start a minimum of programs that might be holding files open
and interfering with their deletion...

Alternately, you could boot up one of the minimal disk-recovery linux
systems (like TOMSRTBT) and see what IT thinks your files look like...

BillW

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