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'[OT] WinXP is just too helpful'
2004\10\06@092004 by Mike Hord

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I'm sure most of you know what the subject means.

I just bought a laptop with XP Home on it.  I've been resisting it
for a long time, but finally had to buy a new one.

Now I wish I hadn't.  XP is constantly nagging me about one
thing or another.  It works well, it's just kind of...pushy.

For example, does anyone know how to tell it not to ask me
to run the desktop icon wizard thing?  My wife called me this
morning complaining of that.

Or how to get the nice, 2k/XP Pro style drop down menu for
shutdown options?  It's much nicer just to hit "Enter" than to
search out the "u" or use the mouse.

I also have a wireless network.  How do I tell XP that I don't
want it to display a message when that network connects on
startup?  Especially because that message doesn't
auto-dismiss.  It just sits there until I click on it.

I know this sounds petty.  "What, you're too lazy to work the
mouse now?" you're probably saying.  But these are beginning
to really annoy me.  At least I figured out how to get the Start
menu back to normal...

Mike H.
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2004\10\06@094046 by Patrick J

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> I just bought a laptop with XP Home on it.  I've been resisting it
> for a long time, but finally had to buy a new one.
I know, one really doesnt like to but haveto... eventually.

> It works well, it's just kind of...pushy.
Mhm, its in ya face all the time. Changing shit behind ya back and
sends stuff out that I dont know about etc. Annoying.

> I also have a wireless network.  How do I tell XP that I don't
> want it to display a message when that network connects on
> startup?
Check the properties for your LAN connection. There is a
checkbox to uncheck that gives u control of that popup msg.
start->settings->network/lan..something

> I know this sounds petty.
Not at all, those are among the first i fix in a new XP install.


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2004\10\06@094158 by John J. McDonough

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There are 2 books that are absolutely must have for XP users.

The first is called "Windows XP Hacks".  The second, and maybe more
important to have, is called "Windows XP Annoyances".  Both are from
O'Reilley.

The wireless connection thing is in the properties for the connection.  I
think most of the others are in the registry, and it would be better to have
the full description sitting in front of you when you are mucking around
there.

--McD

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2004\10\06@094333 by John Ferrell

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That seems to slow down after a few instances of no change.

> Or how to get the nice, 2k/XP Pro style drop down menu for
> shutdown options?  It's much nicer just to hit "Enter" than to
> search out the "u" or use the mouse.
>
I seldom shut mine down, just put it in sleep mode...

> I also have a wireless network.  How do I tell XP that I don't
> want it to display a message when that network connects on
> startup?  Especially because that message doesn't
> auto-dismiss.  It just sits there until I click on it.
>
On mine, if you ignore it, it goes away.

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2004\10\06@102814 by Mike Hord

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:41:47 -0400, John J. McDonough <obf> wrote:
> There are 2 books that are absolutely must have for XP users.
>
> The first is called "Windows XP Hacks".  The second, and maybe more
> important to have, is called "Windows XP Annoyances".  Both are from
> O'Reilley.
>
> The wireless connection thing is in the properties for the connection.  I
> think most of the others are in the registry, and it would be better to have
> the full description sitting in front of you when you are mucking around
> there.
>
> --McD

I'll check them out.  In an amazing coincidence, Borders is having a 25%
off "faculty and staff discount day" this weekend.  Hmmmm...

Thanks!

Mike H.
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2004\10\06@134409 by Howard Winter

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Mike,


On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:20:03 -0500, Mike Hord wrote:

> I'm sure most of you know what the subject means.
>
> I just bought a laptop with XP Home on it.  I've been resisting it
> for a long time, but finally had to buy a new one.
>
> Now I wish I hadn't.  

Well there are alternatives!

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


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2004\10\06@135429 by Andrew Warren

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John J. McDonough <piclistspamKILLspammit.edu> wrote:

> There are 2 books that are absolutely must have for XP users.
>
> The first is called "Windows XP Hacks".  The second, and maybe
> more important to have, is called "Windows XP Annoyances".  Both
> are from O'Reilley.

   Much of the info in the books is also on the web, at:

       http://www.annoyances.org

   -Andy

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2004\10\06@141648 by Mike Hord

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> Well there are alternatives!
> Cheers,
> Howard Winter
> St.Albans, England

Alternatives the same way there are alternatives to gasoline autos.
I've gone hither and thither, Mac to Windows to Linux to Windows,
and back and forth, several times.  The bottom line is, Mplab and
PicBasic Pro keep me mired in the Windows world.  That, and my
wife.  She wants nothing to do with Linux or anything other than
Windows.  I had a heck of a time convincing her of Firefox and
OpenOffice.  But we use them now, so maybe there's hope.

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2004\10\06@151826 by Matthew Fries

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If you want the windows 2000 logoff dialog, you should switch to the
Windows Classic THEME. (Right click on your desktop, choose properties,
change theme to Windows CLassic).


On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Mike Hord wrote:

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2004\10\06@162946 by Howard Winter

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Mike,

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:16:43 -0500, Mike Hord wrote:

> > Well there are alternatives!
> > Cheers,
> > Howard Winter
> > St.Albans, England
>
> Alternatives the same way there are alternatives to gasoline autos.

There are indeed!

> I've gone hither and thither, Mac to Windows to Linux to Windows,
> and back and forth, several times.  The bottom line is, Mplab and
> PicBasic Pro keep me mired in the Windows world.  That, and my
> wife.  She wants nothing to do with Linux or anything other than
> Windows.  

Ah, so you didn't actually want a solution to the problem you mentioned!  :-)

> I had a heck of a time convincing her of Firefox and
> OpenOffice.  But we use them now, so maybe there's hope.

Keep up the Good Work!

Cheers,




Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


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2004\10\06@175322 by Mike Hord

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Again, multiple replies in one response...

>If you want the windows 2000 logoff dialog, you should switch to the
>Windows Classic THEME. (Right click on your desktop, choose properties,
>change theme to Windows Classic).

Aha!  Most excellent.  I shall give that a try.

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:29:42 +0100 (BST), Howard Winter <obf> wrote:

> > Alternatives the same way there are alternatives to gasoline autos.
>
> There are indeed!

After I wrote that, I realized that it may come across wrong, and I forgot
a smiley.  Although you seem to have sussed out my intent, let me state
clearly:  I mean that, there are viable alternatives, but not as yet anything
which is in all ways as personally convenient as a gasoline (or diesel)
automobile.  Most of the (pure) electric cars have some serious drawbacks,
as do bicycles and public transit.  With cars, as with Windows, I am not
yet tired enough of the negatives to make the pains of the alternatives
worthwhile.  On the whole, the little irksomes of Windows are much less
painful that the big irksomes of Linux (software availability in particular).

And yes, I know, most everything has a Linux "clone", but again, I'm just
not ready to make the leap.

> > I had a heck of a time convincing her of Firefox and
> > OpenOffice.  But we use them now, so maybe there's hope.
>
> Keep up the Good Work!

I have almost become preachy in my presentation of Firefox to others.  It
is so huge an advance over IE I can't believe I suffered for so long with no
need to have.

As far as OO, I find that to be no better or worse than MSOffice, but the
price tag makes me feel better when I can't get it to behave.  I don't feel
like I wasted a huge chunk of change on something that I have to strong
arm into working.

> Cheers,
> Howard Winter
> St.Albans, England
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2004\10\06@222540 by Tad Anhalt

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Mike Hord wrote:
> For example, does anyone know how to tell it not to ask me to run the
> desktop icon wizard thing?  My wife called me this morning
> complaining of that.

> I also have a wireless network.  How do I tell XP that I don't want
> it to display a message when that network connects on startup?
> Especially because that message doesn't auto-dismiss.  It just sits
> there until I click on it.

  IIRC, these are put up by the "Alerter" service.   You could disable
the service or probably fiddle in the registry somehow to turn it off,
but then you'd miss out on gems like this:

  http://showcase.netins.net/web/iabonsai/dumberror.jpg

  Yes, that's a real screen shot and no trickery was involved.

Tad Anhalt
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2004\10\07@082828 by Gerhard Fiedler

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>>If you want the windows 2000 logoff dialog, you should switch to the
>>Windows Classic THEME. (Right click on your desktop, choose properties,
>>change theme to Windows Classic).
>
> Aha!  Most excellent.  I shall give that a try.

IIRC, this is not a theme thing, this has to do with the multiple
concurrent user feature. You may have to disable the feature to switch
users without logging off the current user before you get back to the
"classic" logoff dialog.

There are many sites about these annoyances... I forgot where I got my info
from.

Gerhard
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