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'[OT] Will you buy Apple iPhone?'
2007\01\12@200035 by Xiaofan Chen

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Technically speaking, Apple iPhone seems to be a very good product
(running Mac OS X, iPOD MP3, high resolution, GPS) and it is really
not that expensive than those O2 Xda class of cell phones.

Apple iPhone website: http://www.apple.com/iphone/
Components: http://www.eetimes.eu/semi/196802507
Core components:
http://www.eetimes.com/news/design/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=XFCR40Y0E04VQQSNDLRSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=196900390

Do you like it? Will you buy it?

2007\01\12@201812 by William Chops Westfield

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On Jan 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Xiaofan Chen wrote:

> Technically speaking, Apple iPhone seems to be a very good product
> (running Mac OS X, iPOD MP3, high resolution, GPS) and it is really
> not that expensive than those O2 Xda class of cell phones.
>
It's not very "open" in terms of permitting 3rd party applications,
or at least it seems that way.  Ditto cellular providers.

And they stole OUR trademark!

People here have noted that it's not quite as internationally-capable
as it could be.

Personally, I prefer "free" phones, with the bells and whistles
in a PDA.  I'm not sure it's attractive to have PDA, MP3 player,
and phone all bundled into one product...

BillW

2007\01\12@202728 by Cristóvão Dalla Costa

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No. It's not a PDA, it's a glorified ipod for people who rank playing videos
on their phone more importantly than actually making phone calls or any
serious activity. It hasn't even got a keyboard which IMHO highlights how
much it emphasises showing off rather than functionality. I use my Treo as
phone, contact manager, to send email, and a lot more. I wouldn't use a
phone without keyboard even if I got it for free.

Yet I'm sure a lot of people are going to buy it for cool looks alone and
Apple will make a lot of money.

On 1/12/07, Xiaofan Chen <spam_OUTxiaofancTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:
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2007\01\12@205621 by Vitaliy

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Cristóvão Dalla Costa wrote (top posting fixed):
>> Technically speaking, Apple iPhone seems to be a very good product
>> (running Mac OS X, iPOD MP3, high resolution, GPS) and it is really
>> not that expensive than those O2 Xda class of cell phones.
>>
>> Apple iPhone website: http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>> Components: http://www.eetimes.eu/semi/196802507
>> Core components:
>>
>> www.eetimes.com/news/design/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=XFCR40Y0E04VQQSNDLRSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=196900390
>>
>> Do you like it? Will you buy it?
>
> No. It's not a PDA, it's a glorified ipod for people who rank playing
> videos
> on their phone more importantly than actually making phone calls or any
> serious activity. It hasn't even got a keyboard which IMHO highlights how
> much it emphasises showing off rather than functionality. I use my Treo as
> phone, contact manager, to send email, and a lot more. I wouldn't use a
> phone without keyboard even if I got it for free.

I love my Nokia 6822. It's not nearly as big as the Treo, but it also has a
QWERTY keyboard which flips open and lets me use both of my thumbs for
typing. Surprisingly, I can achieve speeds of 20+ wpm. My two previous
phones were Nokias 6820, which are almost identical to the 6822. The first
one did not survive the drying cycle, and the last one I left at the airport
checkpoint in Detroit. :)

It has an excellent contact manager and organizer, which are at the top of
my list of useful features. I don't like to use my wife's Treo for its main
function, it's too bulky. ;)

> Yet I'm sure a lot of people are going to buy it for cool looks alone and
> Apple will make a lot of money.

No doubt.

Vitaliy

2007\01\12@210335 by Martin Klingensmith

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For $500, it would have to be pretty spectacular. I'm cheap when it
comes to cell phones, the last one (a Razr V3C) I got for free for
renewing my contract.
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Martin K

Xiaofan Chen wrote:
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2007\01\12@225753 by Jinx

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I was put off immediately by this story

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10418787

Although the market is freeing up (ever so ever so slowly), the
long-time monopolist, Telecom, still has a pretty firm grip. (eg with
my TelstraClear account, or any account apart from Telecom, I
still can't get broadband without changing provider and getting
pinged if I don't use their toll system. So I don't got broadband)

iPhone (TM Cisco), to me anyway, is just an expensive toy and
way to do things that the cost doesn't justify, and I don't find it
necessary (at this stage). If I was a spotty 16yo I would probably
want one

2007\01\12@233058 by Herbert Graf

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On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 09:00 +0800, Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> Technically speaking, Apple iPhone seems to be a very good product
> (running Mac OS X, iPOD MP3, high resolution, GPS) and it is really
> not that expensive than those O2 Xda class of cell phones.
>
> Apple iPhone website: http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> Components: http://www.eetimes.eu/semi/196802507
> Core components:
> www.eetimes.com/news/design/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=XFCR40Y0E04VQQSNDLRSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=196900390
>
> Do you like it? Will you buy it?

Nope. Two reasons:

1. I find all Apple products range from average to good quality,
however, they are too pricey for what they are. I realize this is a
blanket statement, therefore I'll add IMHO.

2. It's tied to cingular. I realize the only way, so far, to sell a cell
phone in north america has been through tie ins with providers that add
so many subsidies that the prices of the actual hardware are quite
unrealistic (for example, the phone I bought, brand new on the grey
market sells for about $130, at the time. The exact same phone from my
provider, with a three year contract was $0. The exact same phone from
my provider, without signing a contract? $299! I believe they inflate
the "no contract" price so much that NOONE even considers not signing a
contract). The only way to buy a cell phone without buying one from a
provider is basically the grey market. Also, if you think that after
your contract is up they'll unlock you phone for a reasonable price,
you'd be wrong, most either say it can't be done, or offer to do it for
a blanket price of $250! (vs. ~$20 at the local mall).

Apple had an opportunity here. People are clearly willing to pay a
little more for an "i" product, again IMHO, they should have offered to
sell the phone to the public directly. In the end it's likely this tie
in WILL get Apple more money, but it would have been REALLY cool if
Apple had finally cracked this "tie in" crap.

Oh well, still, only thing I use my phone for, despite it having a
camera, video, games, etc. is phone calls, and texts. I guess I'm still
in the stone age.

TTYL

2007\01\12@233419 by Herbert Graf

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On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 17:17 -0800, William Chops Westfield wrote:
> People here have noted that it's not quite as internationally-capable
> as it could be.

Really, why would you say that?

I believe it's quad band GSM. I don't think there are many places in the
world with cell phone service that doesn't have GSM.

I realize North America, a section of South America and I believe China
use other standards, but correct me if I'm wrong, in those areas (except
perhaps China) GSM is also offered.

Frankly, I don't see anything else a better choice, GSM is by far the
most common cell phone standard in the world.

TTYL

2007\01\13@022226 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 1/13/07, Herbert Graf <.....mailinglist3KILLspamspam@spam@farcite.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 17:17 -0800, William Chops Westfield wrote:
> > People here have noted that it's not quite as internationally-capable
> > as it could be.
>
> Really, why would you say that?
>
> I believe it's quad band GSM. I don't think there are many places in the
> world with cell phone service that doesn't have GSM.
>
> I realize North America, a section of South America and I believe China
> use other standards, but correct me if I'm wrong, in those areas (except
> perhaps China) GSM is also offered.

For 2G/2.5G, the dominate standard in China is GSM. The bigges
player China Mobile (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CHL)
uses GSM. The 2nd largest player China Unicom
(http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CHU) has both GSM and CDMA
network. There are no commercial 3G service in China yet.

> Frankly, I don't see anything else a better choice, GSM is by far the
> most common cell phone standard in the world.
>

Yes I agree. I used to have a Verizon CDMA phone and it is not
useful back in Singapore. This time I brought the Tri-band mobile
phone used in Singapore to US and I just need to use the prepaid
service from T-Mobile (wrong choice, should have used Cingular)
and I got the service.

Japan and South Korea seem to only use CDMA.

2007\01\13@022546 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 1/13/07, William Chops Westfield <westfwspamKILLspammac.com> wrote:
> Personally, I prefer "free" phones, with the bells and whistles
> in a PDA.  I'm not sure it's attractive to have PDA, MP3 player,
> and phone all bundled into one product...
>

I used to be a PDA fan (I has a Windows CE 2.0 PDA, a PALM IIIxe
and a HP Pocket PC) but I have to admit that traditional PDA is
a dying specie.

I just bought a Nokia 6280 for my wife and it has quite good
MP3 function after putting in a 2GB Mini-SD (less than US$30).
It also has the basic PIM functions. I also install decent
Chinese-English dictionary for her. Consider this is relative
a cheap phone (US$100 with 2 year subscription), I think it
pretty covers the PDA/MP3/Phone function.

Apple iPhone has better specifications than the Nokia 6280
and it bears the Apple name. So I believe it will do quite well.

Will I buy it? Probably not. I do not use cell phone much and
I am using a prepaid plan. I also do not listen to MP3 much
and I already has a cheap MP3. I find I use a Sony Radio
much more often (BBC and some other local FM stations).

Regards,
Xiaofan

2007\01\13@073022 by Bob Axtell

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Herbert Graf wrote:
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I'm in the stone age, too Herbert. And I consider the video phone a
legal liability, because people
are being photographed without their knowledge or permission.

--Bob
> TTYL
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>  

2007\01\13@122449 by Vasile Surducan

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On 1/12/07, Herbert Graf <.....mailinglist3KILLspamspam.....farcite.net> wrote:
> Frankly, I don't see anything else a better choice, GSM is by far the
> most common cell phone standard in the world.

The next generation phone is a complete WCDMA, GSM, WIMAX, GPS, DVBT,
and MP3/MP4 tool. There are a few prototypes already.

geetings,
Vasile

2007\01\13@123713 by Herbert Graf

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On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 15:16 +0800, Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> > I realize North America, a section of South America and I believe China
> > use other standards, but correct me if I'm wrong, in those areas (except
> > perhaps China) GSM is also offered.
>
> For 2G/2.5G, the dominate standard in China is GSM. The bigges
> player China Mobile (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CHL)
> uses GSM. The 2nd largest player China Unicom
> (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CHU) has both GSM and CDMA
> network. There are no commercial 3G service in China yet.

Thanks Xiaofan, I was completely unsure which way China had gone with
cell phones.

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Wow, I never knew Japan and Korea don't have basic GSM! Thanks for that.
According to: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_jp.shtml the
only "gsmish" coverage they have is 3G at 2100MHz, which all non 3G
phones will never see.

It seems 3G is common at 2100MHz in at least Europe (in North America
we're always behind with cell phones, and usually do things an
incompatible way, it appears we're doing 3G in the 850/1900MHz band,
great, more incompatibilities...) so you're OK in Japan as long as your
phone supports 3G at 2100.

Thanks for the info Xiaofan.

TTYL

2007\01\13@124641 by Herbert Graf

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On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 05:30 -0700, Bob Axtell wrote:
> > Oh well, still, only thing I use my phone for, despite it having a
> > camera, video, games, etc. is phone calls, and texts. I guess I'm still
> > in the stone age.
> >  
>
> I'm in the stone age, too Herbert. And I consider the video phone a
> legal liability, because people
> are being photographed without their knowledge or permission.

Hmm, I always found this position on video phones interesting.

Why did the creation of a video phone change anything? There have been
VERY small video cameras available for a long time, the only thing the
video phone has done is made them mainstream.

Does this mean more people will be tempted to do illegal things? That's
perhaps true, but I'll say that people with these sorts of urges find
the urges build up until they search out a way to perform the criminal
act.

OTOH, I believe video phones are VERY good for society. Thanks to video
phones everyone in public interested in doing something naughty has to
deal with the fact that someone may be recording. A good example was a
recent incident in a library in a university where a student was being
asked to leave by the university cops and was completely mistreated.
Thanks to a video phone the university cops had no room to lie. I like
that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lARW9r5V29s

I do agree it's a slippery slop though, do the benefits outweigh the
risks? I personally think so.

That said, probably 99.99999% of video phones are used by teenagers
filming each other singing REALLY badly....

TTYL

2007\01\13@131612 by Tamas Rudnai

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Just popped into my mind: which phone was that, the Nokia 6233 isn't it that
has 3G but the camera is in the other side than the LCD so you can't make
video conference - even though the software on it supports that?

Tamas



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2007\01\13@141845 by M. Adam Davis

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I purchased a Verizon XV6700 last summer, which is essentially a
windows mobile PDA phone with a slide out keyboard.

I like some of the stuff the iPhone was showing off, but I have the
following features which iPhone does not appear to have or support:

Fast - EVDO, 2Mbits/s down max, 144kbit/s up.  I regularily see very
high speeds.  I used the T-Mobile MDA (GSM 2.5G) for awhile and the
speed was utterly abysmal.  It has Wi-Fi, but even when Wi-Fi is
available I'm generally using the cell phone connection.  I expect
this will be "fixed" for the iPhone in the second or third hardware
revision, but it'll be hard for the cell phone provider to build out
the high speed network quickly enough to get anywhere close to
Verizon's network.

I can compile and run my own programs, or anyone else's on my device.
This is a big cost savings for me - I don't have to pay for a "tested"
program, my choices aren't limited, and if something doesn't exist at
a cost I'm willing to pay I can simply do it myself.

I'm not restricted in the kind of media I can use.  I have an
application that will play every media file I've thrown at it.  The
iPhone is going to be restricted to very few media codecs.  I don't
think I need to discuss DRM here.

No sd-mini card slot.  I can't extend the iPhone using an SDIO VGA
adaptor (giving presentations on the road), I can't expand the memory.
But the main thing I use it for is moving data to and from the phone
easily.  I carry a small thumb-drive size SD-Mini to USB reader which
allows me to move files to and from my phone and any post-1998
computer without loading any special drivers, carrying cables, or
waiting for an upload and download to go through.

I don't know, but imagine, that the touchscreen will only work with
fingers.  Therefore there really is no handwriting support, detailed
drawing application, etc.  I can't imagine taking notes on it.
Looking at Jobs sending an SMS message made me cringe - fast SMS'ers
depend on tactile feedback.  I use handwriting recognition for the
majority of my data input - last year at the Ann Arbor Art Fair I was
able to take pictures with the camera and send them with notes to an
instant message conference that my siblings were using.  While I was
walking around, and I didn't have to look at the display while
writing, just as one doesn't have to look at the paper one is writing
on.

Mine has (surprisingly!) a macro mode on the lens, which I've found
_very_ useful from time to time.  It twists the lens slightly, which I
assume moves internal elements.

Items the iPhone has which I would like:

Larger, higher resolution display.  I really wanted a larger VGA
display (2.8" is what I have).  It's good for what I use it for, but
would be nicer at 3.5" or even slightly larger.

Multitouch.  I can see a few applications for this that would be
useful more than gimicky.  The mapping is great, although I can pretty
much do everything he did on my phone, just not as simply.

Standard headphone jack.  Mine has a 4 contact cellphone jack for use
with regular cellphone headsets, or the included stereo earbud phone
headset (music).  On the flip side, iPhone user's won't be able to use
a standard cell phone headset.  At best they'll need an adaptor.  At
worst they may not even have the option, and must use speakerphone or
hope their headset is charged and not lost.

Accelerometer.  My phone switches to widescreen when I slide open the
keyboard, but the camera doesn't know which was is up, so I have to
manually rotate vertical photos later.  On the plus side, mine has a
button on the side (which is up when taking photos) right where
cameras have a shutter button, so it's very easy and intuitive to take
a picture.  I wonder what you push on the iPhone to take a picture.  I
imagine the hand ergonomics of picture taking is going to be
interesting.

The fact is, however, that as much as people tout the flexibility and
user customization of a window's mobile device, most consumers would
be happier with a device that they pay for software for, and has a
very limited and carefully targeted selection of applications and
media, and didn't need to be rebooted.  If you need a custom
application, make it a web service instead - no need to go through
apple's testing, registration, etc, and you can support a much larger
userbase even if the iPhone fails.

I think my biggest problem is that I'm pretty cheap - I'm willing to
pay a lot for the hardware, but I don't want to be nickel and dimed
for software and media.

I'm actually more interested in finding out the patents on the
touchscreen technology.  I imagine they're using capacitive matrices
to find all the points of contact using an indium oxide or similar
transparent conductive overlay.  Tehnologically, everything else is
nothing special.  It's just done very well.

I think that if they release a 17" Mac notebook/tablet computer with
multitouch and stylus support then I'm going to be saving my pennies.

-Adam

On 1/12/07, Xiaofan Chen <xiaofancspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
> Technically speaking, Apple iPhone seems to be a very good product
> (running Mac OS X, iPOD MP3, high resolution, GPS) and it is really
> not that expensive than those O2 Xda class of cell phones.
>
> Apple iPhone website: http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> Components: http://www.eetimes.eu/semi/196802507
> Core components:
> http://www.eetimes.com/news/design/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=XFCR40Y0E04VQQSNDLRSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=196900390
>
> Do you like it? Will you buy it?
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2007\01\15@080021 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 1/13/07, Xiaofan Chen <@spam@xiaofancKILLspamspamgmail.com> wrote:
> Technically speaking, Apple iPhone seems to be a very good product
> (running Mac OS X, iPOD MP3, high resolution, GPS) and it is really
> not that expensive than those O2 Xda class of cell phones.
>
> Apple iPhone website: http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> Components: http://www.eetimes.eu/semi/196802507
> Core components:
> http://www.eetimes.com/news/design/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=XFCR40Y0E04VQQSNDLRSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=196900390
>
> Do you like it? Will you buy it?
>

More about Apple iPhone from CNet.
crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9677208-1.html?tag=bubbl_1


'[OT] Will you buy Apple iPhone?'
2007\06\19@112601 by Tamas Rudnai
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Just in the UK 7 million possible customers?

http://www.techworld.com/mobility/news/index.cfm?newsid=9185

Tamas


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2007\06\19@113725 by Joshua Shriver

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I'd buy it but it's out of my price range. For all that it does it
does seem reasonably priced but still more than I can dish out for a
phone.

I really wish they would release a SDK, it is a OS X derivative
anyway. They could fuse the SDK into Project Builder.
-Josh


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2007\06\19@115423 by M. Adam Davis

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On 6/19/07, Joshua Shriver <jshriverEraseMEspam.....gmail.com> wrote:
> I really wish they would release a SDK, it is a OS X derivative
> anyway.
> -Josh

Neither Apple nor the carrier want users to be able to run their own
programs.  Eventually users might run different media players, and buy
songs from other providers, nevermind games and ringtones which are
huge profit centers for this type of consumer device.  There are also
stability issues - the phone always just needs to work.  Most PocketPC
phone users that load a lot of junk on their phone are surprisingly
content with the need for phone resets, and finding dead batteries
because some program kept connecting to the internet.

Apple is no longer trying to sell computing devices, but entertainment
devices.  It's a bigger market.  Businesses ruthlessly cut costs, but
individuals want do do as much as they can, and look as cool as they
can, with the little free time they have left, and so are willing to
pay a premium.

I want one in the same way I want a nice car - nicer to drive, easier
handling, has some high-end features not otherwise available.  But I'm
not going to get it because what I have meets my needs, the price is
too high, and the high end product still lacks some features that I
actually use in my current solution.

-Adam

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2007\06\19@123646 by Cedric Chang

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> On Jun 19, 2007, at 9:54 AM, M. Adam Davis wrote:
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> On 6/19/07, Joshua Shriver <EraseMEjshriverspamgmail.com> wrote:
>> I really wish they would release a SDK, it is a OS X derivative
>> anyway.
>> -Josh
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>
> I want one in the same way I want a nice car - nicer to drive, easier
> handling, has some high-end features not otherwise available.  But I'm
> not going to get it because what I have meets my needs, the price is
> too high, and the high end product still lacks some features that I
> actually use in my current solution.
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> -Adam

I am so tempted to get one now, yet I think I will wait for the first  
round
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2007\06\20@074659 by Anand Gadiyar

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I think it makes a lot more sense to get a Palm Treo 650. Most of the
bugs in the software are fixed (despite occasional restarts), and
there are a zillion more apps to choose from.

I for one, would not buy the Apple iPhone. Maybe, if they released an
SDK and allowed me to load my own software. On the other hand, maybe
not.

I think OpenMoko (http://www.openmoko.org) would be of more interest to us.

-Anand

2007\06\20@081438 by Tamas Rudnai

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AFAIK you _can_ develop your app to iPhone, maybe it's not a full access to
the entire resources found in the device though.

www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/06/11iphone.html
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/11/apple-announces-third-party-software-details-for-iphone/

Tamas


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2007\06\20@114941 by Harold Hallikainen

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Yesterday they had a lunch celebration for the boss. They gave him an "Eye
Phone."

It was a big clunky cordless phone with one of our liquid crystal displays
glued to it. It also had a 10 pound charger that came with it. The
"Instruction Manuel" was also great. It was clearly translated from
Chinese. It had stuff like "The EyePhone has two buttons, button number
one, and the other one." "Press button number one to view your videos with
great joy." "Do not press button number three, or you will have great
unhappiness as described on page 5." There was no page 5.

Harold

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2007\06\20@211211 by Randy Glenn

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On 6/19/07, Cedric Chang <RemoveMEccspam_OUTspamKILLspamnope9.com> wrote:
> I am so tempted to get one now, yet I think I will wait for the first
> round
> of bugs to be worked out.
> Cedric

Waiting for version two is always a good plan with Apple products.
There's normally an issue or two that at the very least brings forth
the ire of a vocal minority of users.

Some of the more visible issues in recent years: The first generation
iPod Nanos had issues with screens breaking. The first Macbooks had
mysterious thermal issues. The first iPod Minis had audio connector
problems. The first PowerBook G4s had hinge issues and thermal issues.
The first of the 17" PowerBooks had issues with screens shattering.

The list goes on. Thankfully, the first revision normally comes within
about a few months, and corrects whatever issues the first one had.
--
-Randy Glenn
Computer Eng. and Mgt. Year V, McMaster University
Regional Student Representative, IEEE Canada

randy.glenn-at-gmail.com - glennrb-at-mcmaster.ca
randy.glenn-at-computer.org - randy_glenn-at-ieee.org
http://www.randyglenn.ca

2007\06\21@064930 by Howard Winter

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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:12:07 -0400, Randy Glenn wrote:

> Waiting for version two is always a good plan with Apple products.

And for Microsoft products, at least version three!  :-)

I certainly won't be buying an iPhone - I've had a phone for the past three years which can play music (MP3 or Ogg Vorbis), take photos, surf the
internet (although on a 2" screen who wants to?), collect and send email, navigate using a Bluetooth link to a GPS receiver, and run a whole raft of
programs that can be downloaded from third parties, stored on a bog-standard SD card.  I hardly ever use it as a phone! :-)  It runs the Symbian
operating system, so isn't prone to lockups,  resets and having to be rebooted from time to time as a lot of other "smartphones" are.  

The only thing new about the iPhone, as far as I can see, is the marketing!

Unfortunately the firm which made it went bust (and its remnants bought up by Motorola) but as it works OK this isn't a problem.

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2007\06\21@093900 by Russell McMahon

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>> Waiting for version two is always a good plan with Apple products.

> And for Microsoft products, at least version three!  :-)

To determine the number of bugs in a Micro$oft release, divide the
fractional part of the release number into unity. Never ever buy
version x.00


       Russell


2007\06\21@144933 by John Chung

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OS running a phone........ That is simply wondering if
I do need to run movies on it....... So far I am a
minimalist phone user. Calls and txt messages.

John


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2007\06\21@154309 by William Chops Westfield

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On Jun 21, 2007, at 3:49 AM, Howard Winter wrote:

> Unfortunately the firm which made it went bust (and its remnants
>  bought up by Motorola) but as it works OK this isn't a problem.
>
That's one of the funniest things I've read in a long time.

BillW

2007\06\21@181158 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 6/21/07, Howard Winter <EraseMEHDRWspamspamspamBeGoneh2org.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> It runs the Symbian operating system, so isn't prone to lockups,
> resets and having to be rebooted from time to time as a lot of other
> "smartphones" are.
>

Is this really true? I heard many Nokia Series 60 phones running
Symbian OS has lockup problems...

2007\06\24@051923 by Howard Winter

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Xiaofan,

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:11:57 -0400, Xiaofan Chen wrote:

> On 6/21/07, Howard Winter <RemoveMEHDRWKILLspamspamh2org.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > It runs the Symbian operating system, so isn't prone to lockups,
> > resets and having to be rebooted from time to time as a lot of other
> > "smartphones" are.
> >
>
> Is this really true? I heard many Nokia Series 60 phones running
> Symbian OS has lockup problems...

Well it's certainly true for mine, a Sendo X, rather than a Nokia, but it does run S60.  I don't think it's ever had a lockup.  The only problems I've
identified are that I'm using a version of an Ogg Vorbis player which describes itself on its splash screen as "Unstable", and it's right!  :-)  And if the
phone is out of contact with a network for a considerable time (say a day or two), it gives up trying to make contact and has to be power-cycled.  
Everything else works, you just can't make phone calls (!) - perhaps this is a battery-saving strategy, because trying to join a network is a
high-power process, and if you've put it in a faraday cage, say the boot of a car, it's never going to make it and would just flatten its battery.  But
this is just a guess on my part.

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2007\06\24@062454 by Tamas Rudnai

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Howard,

Maybe I should've go for Nokia then. My Sony-Ericsson K810i has everything
I've ever dreamed of what should be on a mobile, 3.2mp camera with real
xenon flash and tons of applications incl. few different type of GPS (with
external GPS receiver) very fast internet access and even 3D games. BUT it
keeps crashing if I use bluetooth for some reason, also if I enable/disable
the 3G network many times it becomes very unstable - probably that's a
memory or other resource leak.

Another thing is that I was thinking of that they put many - mostly unused -
features to phones to be able to sell it, however, I'd need only a text
searching capability which I've never seen on any mobile yet - please let me
know if you know a mobile with this 'advanced feature' or any other
downloadable app that makes it possible. Google Desktop for Mobile would be
nice :D

To return to the subject: is iPhone has increased usability as well or just
those fancy touchscreen and UI?

Tamas



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