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> :) OK.. OK... Y2K... > > I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays? > > Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC. > > Any suggestions? Well I have never actually backed up my whole drive (and it is only 2.1 gig) but I back up all my data. Applications can be reinstalled, data can not. Of course if I suffered some huge crash it would take me a few days to come back, but at least my data would be secure. I use CDRW and ZIP disks to back up my data, uses about 250MB for the initial backup and then around 5 MB for each incremental. If you are really set on just backing up the whole drive tape drives are popular (and practically your only cost effective choice for 8 GB) TTYL

Even if you have a 80 TB harddrive, there still isn't that much data on it that it wouldn't fit on a couple of cd's.... In other words, burn it! Regards, Jeroen Gremmen -----Original Message----- From: Mario I. Arguello [spam_OUTMIADsgnsTakeThisOuTAOL.COM] Sent: Friday, 17 December, 1999 12:24 To: .....PICLISTKILLspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [OT] Why to Kay :) OK.. OK... Y2K... I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays? Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC. Any suggestions? Thanks. Mario

part 0 1474 bytes content-type:application/octet-stream;Hi Maybe so.....This arrangement suits me best, though. I dont have a CDW and when I borrow the one from my employer, it is unreliable in writing data. Additionally, CDs written in this manner have a limited lifetime (depending on their "colour"). As with everything in engineering....there is more than one way to skin a cat : ) Dan (Embedded "Gremmen, Jeroen" image moved <jeroen.gremmenKILLspamNL.ORIGIN-IT.COM> to file: 17/12/99 12:07 pic18305.pcx) Please respond to pic microcontroller discussion list <.....PICLISTKILLspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU> To: EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU cc: (bcc: Dan Lloyd/GBPTD/ABB) Subject: Re: [OT] Why to Kay Security Level:? Internal Even if you have a 80 TB harddrive, there still isn't that much data on it that it wouldn't fit on a couple of cd's.... In other words, burn it! Regards, Jeroen Gremmen {Original Message removed}

> Maybe so.....This arrangement suits me best, though. I dont have > a CDW and when > I borrow the one from my employer, it is unreliable in writing data. > Additionally, CDs written in this manner have a limited lifetime > (depending on > their "colour"). I've never had reliability problems with my drive, perhaps your employer's drive is dying slowly? As for time span that is a non issue, the longest one of my backups is expected to last is about 2 months, that's when the size of my incremental backups gets large enough that a whole backup is just a better choice. Plus I also copy the same backup to ZIP, just in case the CDRW doesn't like it (hasn't happened but it is possible). > As with everything in engineering....there is more than one way > to skin a cat : That's very true, I still remember the day where I could backup to a 10 pack of floppies! That wasn't fun. TTYL

On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 06:23:46AM -0500, Mario I. Arguello wrote: > > I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays? > > Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC. I've used DAT tapes for many years now and have no complaints (apart from one drive failure) - never been unable to recover data. The most recent DAT drives go way bigger than 8GB, and the media is reasonably priced. For archival storage, I also use recordable CD. I'm not sure how long they will last, but it should be quite a while. They're much more convenient to access than tape. They're especially good for stuff you don't want to leave on a hard drive, but need to access from time-to-time, for example images (advertising and packaging artwork can take up a lot of disk space). But for regular backups, tape is still king. Automated nightly incremental backups use one tape, which is swapped weekly. -- Clyde Smith-Stubbs | HI-TECH Software Email: clydespam_OUThtsoft.com | Phone Fax WWW: http://www.htsoft.com/ | USA: (408) 490 2885 (408) 490 2885 PGP: finger @spam@clydeKILLspamhtsoft.com | AUS: +61 7 3355 8333 +61 7 3355 8334 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- HI-TECH C: compiling the real world.

Somehow this strikes me as off topic Regards, Jeroen -----Original Message----- From: Clyde Smith-Stubbs [KILLspamclydeKILLspamHTSOFT.COM] Sent: Friday, 17 December, 1999 13:35 To: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [OT] Why to Kay On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 06:23:46AM -0500, Mario I. Arguello wrote: > > I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays? > > Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC. I've used DAT tapes for many years now and have no complaints (apart from one drive failure) - never been unable to recover data. The most recent DAT drives go way bigger than 8GB, and the media is reasonably priced. For archival storage, I also use recordable CD. I'm not sure how long they will last, but it should be quite a while. They're much more convenient to access than tape. They're especially good for stuff you don't want to leave on a hard drive, but need to access from time-to-time, for example images (advertising and packaging artwork can take up a lot of disk space). But for regular backups, tape is still king. Automated nightly incremental backups use one tape, which is swapped weekly. -- Clyde Smith-Stubbs | HI-TECH Software Email: spamBeGoneclydespamBeGonehtsoft.com | Phone Fax WWW: http://www.htsoft.com/ | USA: (408) 490 2885 (408) 490 2885 PGP: finger TakeThisOuTclydeEraseMEspam_OUThtsoft.com | AUS: +61 7 3355 8333 +61 7 3355 8334 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- HI-TECH C: compiling the real world.

About the best capacity for the dollar (IMHO) is the OnStream tape drives. Runs under Win9x and NT. An IDE unit that will back up 15 gb uncompressed (~30 gb compressed) sells for $299.95. Tapes are ~ $40 each. I have been running the 50GB SCSI version on the network with no problems and good performance. David V. Fansler Network Administrator TriPath Imaging, Inc. (Formerly AutoCyte, Inc) 336-222-9707 Ext. 261 RemoveMEdfanslerTakeThisOuTautocyte.com <dfanslerEraseME.....autocyte.com> Now Showing! http://www.mindspring.com/~dfansler <http://www.mindspring.com/~dfansler> Updated December 16, 1999 Ann's Cancer & David's Observatory {Original Message removed}

I'm using JAZ drive from Iomega for some years and I didn't have any problem yet. It can storage 1GB, so you need 8 disks to store all of your hard disk. It's fast enough to work as an extra hard disk also. Marcelo Mario wrote: {Quote hidden}>:) OK.. OK... Y2K... > >I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays? > >Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC. > >Any suggestions? > > >Thanks. >Mario >

CDRs are sensitive to UV light. If you leave a burned CDR out in the sun for a week or two, you may start experiencing errors, depending on the particular coating the manufacturer used on that disc. If, however, you store your burned CDRs in light-tight boxes in a cool area (basement) then they should out last you. At which point they will be obsolete, and looked at the same you you look at 5 1/4" floppies. -Adam Clyde Smith-Stubbs wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 06:23:46AM -0500, Mario I. Arguello wrote: > > I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays? > > For archival storage, I also use recordable CD. I'm not sure > how long they will last, but it should be quite a while.

I have multiple computers, and all have the same data on them. All the data also exists in multiple CDs at multiple locations. Andy ================================================================== New Microprocessor support forum mail list - details on our site ------------------------------------------------------------------ EraseMEandyrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats RemoveMEandyEraseMEEraseMEmontanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics ==================================================================

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:53:04 -0500 Herbert Graf <RemoveMEhgrafspam_OUTKILLspamBETTER.NET> writes: > > :) OK.. OK... Y2K... > > > > I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files > nowadays? > > > > Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC. > > > > Any suggestions? > I'm using an Aiwa tape backup that'll do 10 gigs (with compression). It's on all the time. I rotate thru a half dozen tapes, putting each tape in at the beginning of a week. Monday is a full backup of the drive (20 gig drive with currently lotsa space). Tuesday through Friday differential backups are appended on the tape. Come Monday, a new tape is put in and the full backup runs. This is all on a schedule that runs early in the morning. Harold ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: dl.http://www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

The price/performance winner appears to be another 8Gb hard drive. Really! R.Martin "Mario I. Arguello" wrote: {Quote hidden}> :) OK.. OK... Y2K... > > I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays? > > Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks. > Mario

I have done the Backup of my 2 2.1Gb winchester, using a 8Gb...(not the compressed mode). I have done a copy, inclusive of hidden files... Miguel ---------- {Quote hidden}> De: Richard Martin <RemoveMErmmartinTakeThisOuTspamSERV.NET> > Para: EraseMEPICLISTspamspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Assunto: Re: [OT] Why to Kay > Data: Sexta-feira, 17 de Dezembro de 1999 03:35 > > The price/performance winner appears to be another 8Gb > hard drive. Really! > > R.Martin > > "Mario I. Arguello" wrote: > > > :) OK.. OK... Y2K... > > > > I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays? > > > > Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks. > > Mario

The cheapest solution should be: -buy a second hd with the same specs -buy a raid controller which can support multi hd writing. I mean : data can be written 2 times on two separate hd. Making them almost impossible to fail at the same time... (When one hd fails, replace it, the second onee will do the 'interim') But this doesn't solve any y2k problem :-) Phil Andy Kunz a Žcrit : {Quote hidden}> > I have multiple computers, and all have the same data on them. > > All the data also exists in multiple CDs at multiple locations. > > Andy > > ================================================================== > New Microprocessor support forum mail list - details on our site > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > RemoveMEandyKILLspamrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats > andySTOPspamspam_OUTmontanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics > ================================================================== -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Philippe Jadin spamBeGonephilippe.jadinSTOPspamEraseMEskynet.be Belgium, Europe Simple yet usefull Robot stuff goto http://users.swing.be/philippe.jadin For low-cost web design goto http://users.skynet.be/clairetnet

Richard Martin wrote: > The price/performance winner appears to be another 8Gb > hard drive. Really! Amen to that, and Andy's suggestion of a network as the backup medium. Use CDRs for archive. Absolute major advantage: *No* special hardware whatsoever required to perform recovery. A CD also forms a legally verifiable record (necessary for professional records) as it is write-only and serial numbered. -- Cheers, Paul B.

Uh, yeah, I've got enough to feed thousands... And I'm storing it at Andy's house... yeah, that's it. Go see Andy if you need anything after y2k... ;-) -Adam just putting the finishing touches on my solar powered PIC programer and laptop... "Mario I. Arguello" wrote: > > Thanks to all who responded to my question, sorry it was a bit off topic. > > Now.... is anyone storing food, water, and gas supplies? :) > > Mario

I was going to reply and say I wasn't storing any food, water, etc- but a quick look at my waistline and I realised I had been storing them for years............................ As for the gas- > "Mario I. Arguello" wrote: > > > > Thanks to all who responded to my question, sorry it was a bit off topic. > > > > Now.... is anyone storing food, water, and gas supplies? :) > > > > Mario > Cheers, Ken,vk7krj KILLspamvk7krjspamBeGonesouthcom.com.au