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1999\12\17@062540 by Mario I. Arguello

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:) OK.. OK... Y2K...

I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays?

Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC.

Any suggestions?


Thanks.
Mario

1999\12\17@065323 by hgraf

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> :) OK.. OK... Y2K...
>
> I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays?
>
> Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC.
>
> Any suggestions?

    Well I have never actually backed up my whole drive (and it is only 2.1
gig) but I back up all my data. Applications can be reinstalled, data can
not. Of course if I suffered some huge crash it would take me a few days to
come back, but at least my data would be secure. I use CDRW and ZIP disks to
back up my data, uses about 250MB for the initial backup and then around 5
MB for each incremental. If you are really set on just backing up the whole
drive tape drives are popular (and practically your only cost effective
choice for 8 GB) TTYL

1999\12\17@071014 by Gremmen, Jeroen

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Even if you have a 80 TB harddrive, there still isn't that much data on it
that it wouldn't fit on a couple of cd's.... In other words, burn it!

Regards,

Jeroen Gremmen

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:) OK.. OK... Y2K...

I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays?

Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC.

Any suggestions?


Thanks.
Mario

1999\12\17@071636 by D Lloyd

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Maybe so.....This arrangement suits me best, though. I dont have a CDW and when
I borrow the one from my employer, it is unreliable in writing data.
Additionally, CDs written in this manner have a limited lifetime (depending on
their "colour").

As with everything in engineering....there is more than one way to skin a cat :
)

Dan





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Even if you have a 80 TB harddrive, there still isn't that much data on it
that it wouldn't fit on a couple of cd's.... In other words, burn it!

Regards,

Jeroen Gremmen

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1999\12\17@073334 by hgraf

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> Maybe so.....This arrangement suits me best, though. I dont have
> a CDW and when
> I borrow the one from my employer, it is unreliable in writing data.
> Additionally, CDs written in this manner have a limited lifetime
> (depending on
> their "colour").

       I've never had reliability problems with my drive, perhaps your employer's
drive is dying slowly? As for time span that is a non issue, the longest one
of my backups is expected to last is about 2 months, that's when the size of
my incremental backups gets large enough that a whole backup is just a
better choice. Plus I also copy the same backup to ZIP, just in case the
CDRW doesn't like it (hasn't happened but it is possible).

> As with everything in engineering....there is more than one way
> to skin a cat :

       That's very true, I still remember the day where I could backup to a 10
pack of floppies! That wasn't fun. TTYL

1999\12\17@073753 by Clyde Smith-Stubbs

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On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 06:23:46AM -0500, Mario I. Arguello wrote:
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> I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays?
>
> Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC.

I've used DAT tapes for many years now and have no complaints (apart
from one drive failure) - never been unable to recover data.

The most recent DAT drives go way bigger than 8GB, and the media is
reasonably priced.

For archival storage, I also use recordable CD. I'm not sure
how long they will last, but it should be quite a while. They're much
more convenient to access than tape. They're especially good for
stuff you don't want to leave on a hard drive, but need to access
from time-to-time, for example images (advertising and packaging
artwork can take up a lot of disk space).

But for regular backups, tape is still king. Automated nightly incremental
backups use one tape, which is swapped weekly.

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1999\12\17@073957 by Gremmen, Jeroen

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Somehow this strikes me as off topic


Regards,

Jeroen

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On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 06:23:46AM -0500, Mario I. Arguello wrote:
>
> I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays?
>
> Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC.

I've used DAT tapes for many years now and have no complaints (apart
from one drive failure) - never been unable to recover data.

The most recent DAT drives go way bigger than 8GB, and the media is
reasonably priced.

For archival storage, I also use recordable CD. I'm not sure
how long they will last, but it should be quite a while. They're much
more convenient to access than tape. They're especially good for
stuff you don't want to leave on a hard drive, but need to access
from time-to-time, for example images (advertising and packaging
artwork can take up a lot of disk space).

But for regular backups, tape is still king. Automated nightly incremental
backups use one tape, which is swapped weekly.

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1999\12\17@083159 by Fansler, David

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About the best capacity for the dollar (IMHO) is the OnStream tape drives.
Runs under Win9x and NT.  An IDE unit that will back up 15 gb uncompressed
(~30 gb compressed) sells for $299.95.  Tapes are ~ $40 each.  I have been
running the 50GB SCSI version on the network with no problems and good
performance.

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1999\12\17@083815 by Marcelo Yamamoto

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I'm using JAZ drive from Iomega for some years and I didn't have any problem
yet.
It can storage 1GB, so you need 8 disks to store all of your hard disk.
It's fast enough to work as an extra hard disk also.

Marcelo


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1999\12\17@085229 by M. Adam Davis

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CDRs are sensitive to UV light.  If you leave a burned CDR out in the
sun for a week or two, you may start experiencing errors, depending on
the particular coating the manufacturer used on that disc.

If, however, you store your burned CDRs in light-tight boxes in a cool
area (basement) then they should out last you.  At which point they will
be obsolete, and looked at the same you you look at 5 1/4" floppies.

-Adam

Clyde Smith-Stubbs wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 06:23:46AM -0500, Mario I. Arguello wrote:
> > I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files nowadays?
>
> For archival storage, I also use recordable CD. I'm not sure
> how long they will last, but it should be quite a while.

1999\12\17@090100 by Andy Kunz

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I have multiple computers, and all have the same data on them.

All the data also exists in multiple CDs at multiple locations.

Andy

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1999\12\17@113951 by Harold M Hallikainen

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On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:53:04 -0500 Herbert Graf <RemoveMEhgrafspam_OUTspamKILLspamBETTER.NET>
writes:
> > :) OK.. OK... Y2K...
> >
> > I am wondering what everyone is using to back up their PC files
> nowadays?
> >
> > Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
>


       I'm using an Aiwa tape backup that'll do 10 gigs (with compression).
It's on all the time.  I rotate thru a half dozen tapes, putting each
tape in at the beginning of a week.  Monday is a full backup of the drive
(20 gig drive with currently lotsa space).  Tuesday through Friday
differential backups are appended on the tape.  Come Monday, a new tape
is put in and the full backup runs.  This is all on a schedule that runs
early in the morning.

Harold

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1999\12\17@123342 by Richard Martin

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The price/performance winner appears to be another 8Gb
hard drive. Really!

R.Martin

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1999\12\17@123819 by WF

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I have done the Backup of my 2 2.1Gb winchester, using a 8Gb...(not the
compressed mode).

I have done a copy, inclusive of hidden files...

Miguel

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nowadays?
> >
> > Looking for best possible way to back up 8 G hard drive PC.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Mario

1999\12\17@132213 by Philippe Jadin

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The cheapest solution should be:

-buy a second hd with the same specs
-buy a raid controller which can support multi hd writing. I mean : data
can be written 2 times on two separate hd. Making them almost impossible
to fail at the same time... (When one hd fails, replace it, the second
onee will do the 'interim')

But this doesn't solve any y2k problem :-)

Phil

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1999\12\17@165822 by paulb

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Richard Martin wrote:

> The price/performance winner appears to be another 8Gb
> hard drive. Really!

 Amen to that, and Andy's suggestion of a network as the backup medium.
Use CDRs for archive.  Absolute major advantage:  *No* special hardware
whatsoever required to perform recovery.

 A CD also forms a legally verifiable record (necessary for
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1999\12\18@050318 by Mario I. Arguello

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Thanks to all who responded to my question, sorry it was a bit off topic.

Now.... is anyone storing food, water, and gas supplies? :)

Mario

1999\12\20@113328 by M. Adam Davis

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Uh, yeah, I've got enough to feed thousands...  And I'm storing it at
Andy's house... yeah, that's it.

Go see Andy if you need anything after y2k...  ;-)

-Adam

just putting the finishing touches on my solar powered PIC programer and
laptop...

"Mario I. Arguello" wrote:
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> Thanks to all who responded to my question, sorry it was a bit off topic.
>
> Now.... is anyone storing food, water, and gas supplies? :)
>
> Mario

1999\12\21@094647 by Ken Johnson

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I was going to reply and say I wasn't storing any food, water, etc- but a
quick look at my waistline and I realised I had been storing them for
years............................
As for the gas-


> "Mario I. Arguello" wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to all who responded to my question, sorry it was a bit off
topic.
> >
> > Now.... is anyone storing food, water, and gas supplies? :)
> >
> > Mario
>

Cheers, Ken,vk7krj
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