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'[OT] Who has been on the PICList longest?'
2006\05\09@175058 by James Newtons Massmind

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Your PICList trivia for today:

I was messing about with the archives to find some information about the
list and I stumbled over a very early post from a member who is currently
(still?) subscribed:

http://www.piclist.com/piclist/1994/05/11/093219a.txt Byron A Jeff is, as
far as I can tell, the longest subscribed member of this list. As of the day
after tomorrow, that is 12 years stuck on the list.
http://www.cafepress.com/piclist.1772077 (before MIT upgraded to Mailman, we
had a lot of people trying to unsubscribe by sending various misspellings of
"unsubscribe" to the list rather than the list server. It became a joke that
was printed on t-shirts, mugs, etc...)

I wonder if his boss at the university has any idea how much of his time
and bandwidth we have wasted over all that time.

Here's to BAJ!

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2006\05\09@233217 by Byron A Jeff

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On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 02:50:54PM -0700, James Newtons Massmind wrote:
> Your PICList trivia for today:
>
> I was messing about with the archives to find some information about the
> list and I stumbled over a very early post from a member who is currently
> (still?) subscribed:

I'm still here dude.

> http://www.piclist.com/piclist/1994/05/11/093219a.txt Byron A Jeff is, as
> far as I can tell, the longest subscribed member of this list. As of the day
> after tomorrow, that is 12 years stuck on the list.

Stuck?! If I could only be stuck in such a wonderful place in real life!

> http://www.cafepress.com/piclist.1772077 (before MIT upgraded to Mailman, we
> had a lot of people trying to unsubscribe by sending various misspellings of
> "unsubscribe" to the list rather than the list server. It became a joke that
> was printed on t-shirts, mugs, etc...)
>
>  I wonder if his boss at the university has any idea how much of his time
> and bandwidth we have wasted over all that time.

My advisor had no clue. However Dr. BAJ is finished now, so it doesn't really
matter. I'm just wondering how long it'll take the IT folks to realize that I've
graduated and cut off my account access!

> Here's to BAJ!

Thanks.

For nostalgia's sake I took a peek at that post. Just for kicks I'm going to
pull it up and annotate it:

>> Hi, my name is Byron Jeff. I'm a PhD candidate at Georgia Tech and a

I finally finished walking across the stage in December 2005.

>> Asst. Prof. of Computer Science at Clark Atlanta University in Atlanta.

I moved from CAU to Clayton State University just south of Atlanta GA USA
in 2002.

>> I think the mailing list is a great idea.

True. Very true.

>>
>> Anyway I just wanted to get the discussion going. After hearing about
>> the PIC 16C5X parts in Circuit Cellar INK, I quickly made friends with
>> my local Microchip Representative. I've gotten some samples of the
>> 16C71, 16C54, and later on some 25 Mhz 17C42's.

I still have these parts stuck in a drawer somewhere.

>>
>> Unfortunately I've had neither the time or the equipment to exploit
>> these chips yet.

I finally got an original PICSTART and programmed some of these parts.

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CUMP version 0.0001? ;-)

>>  Unfortunately device programmers are usually a catch-22
>>  situation: the best way to build a device programmer is to start with
>>  a programmed device.

A battle that we've waged on this list many a time.

>>  So my first target is going to be the PIC 17C42.
>>  (BTW DIGI KEY is selling the 17C42 and the new 16C64.)

I'm sure that USB parts are the rage now. Are the PIC24's out yet?

>>  There was an
>>  article in Electronics NOW for a 16C5X programmer (that used a 17C42)
>>  and it had a small blurb about a 17C42 programmer (that used a 8749 Intel
>>  microcontroller). It seemed way too complicated. I'm planning on
>>  bootstrapping from a PC.

It's good to see that I'm consistent thematically. I still think that
bootstrapping from a PC is the best way to go on a homebrew.

>> - Languages - I've seen the adds (sic) for a C compiler for the PIC 16C5X series.
>>  Seems like going duck hunting with a bazooka.

NICE! ;-)

>> I'm teaching a class in
>>  system software development and 2 of the projects are a simple assembler
>>  and compiler. I've choosen the PIC platform as the target. Unfortunately
>>  none of my students completed the whole project.

It's good to see that students haven't changed.

>>  But I've been working on it the compiler on and off.

Mostly off. NPCI is still sitting on various machines in my environs waiting
to be put into production.

>>  The language is a simpified C syntax.


You can find the language overview here:

http://www.finitesite.com/d3jsys/README-NPCI.html

>>  I have the scanner, parser and expression evaluator done. All that's
>>  left is code generation.

The code generator is done too. Mid project I switched to bytecode and an
interpreter for the bytecode a la the Basic Stamp.

>>  Because of this class I also have the shell of an assembler. Not that
>>  PIC assembly is hard to do!

True. Very true. I'm not sure if I still have that code laying around. But
with the gputils is full effect, there's really no need anymore.

>> I know that Microchip has assemblers for
>>  their parts but it's MSDOS only and they don't have source available.

And except for the GPLed parts of the C30 compiler, nothing on that front
has changed.

>>  I'm a Linux user myself

Tried and true, thru and thru!

>> so DOS based tool have no real use for me.

Consistent theme. You can substitute Windows here.

>>  In fact the Microchip DOS assemblers crash my Linux DOS emulator.

DOSEMU! Now that's something I haven't run in a minute!

>>  For the assembler I'm planning on MICROCHIP format only (no parallax
>>  meta stuff) and just enough so that the compiler can use it.

Abandoned for reasons listed above.

>>  BTW nothing is finished.

My final thematic element. I just can't bring myself to release early and
often as I should. Probably the guilt of working on PIC stuff instead of
my PhD work. But now is the time.

>> However I'm hoping to spend some time next month finishing up.

I used to have that same optimism about my dissertation. It showed up
in finished form 5 years after its expected due date.

>> - Applications - My main hobby is computer based music.

Which I'm itching to get back to finally.

>> I'm currently   designing a hardware MIDI sequencer that's going
>> to use PIC's for
>>  IO processors for devices such as the keyboard/mouse, LCD display,
>>  and MIDI serial ports.

I remember that design! the 68340 was pretty cool.

>> The main processor is a Motorola 68340 board
>>  I put together last year.

And just to show that I have a tough time throwing anything away I just
saw that perfboard with that 68340 when I was cleaning a trailerful of
junked computers, monitors, ISA cards and printers out of my basement this
weekend.

>> Anyway just wanted to get the ball rolling on the mailing list.

And thousands of users and billions and billions of posts later, here
we are. I think the ball is rolling, don't you? ;-)

>> Tell us about what you're trying to do with PIC parts.

Well I'm still too much the tool maker and not enough the applications
developer. My goal is to embed a NPCI interpreter and a robust bootloader
together on different families of PIC parts. The Trivial Programmer, which
was birthed right here on the list, is still going strong. My three best
projects are home automation projects that are still going strong and
are used on a daily basis. I still want to get that portable hardware MIDI
going. I'm holding a 32 MB CF card along with a CF to 40 pin adapter that
will form the core of the sequencer right here in my hand.

I hope to use my next six unstructured weeks between classes to get some
of this stuff going. I'll let you know how it turns out...

...in about a dozen more years! ;-)

>>
>> Later,
>>
>> BAJ

2006\05\10@052321 by Søren Knudsen

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> I still want to get that portable
> hardware MIDI
> going. I'm holding a 32 MB CF card along with a CF to 40 pin
> adapter that
> will form the core of the sequencer right here in my hand.

You do know of http://www.ucapps.de right?

- Søren

2006\05\10@071505 by Byron A Jeff

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On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 11:23:18AM +0200, S?ren Knudsen wrote:
> > I still want to get that portable
> > hardware MIDI
> > going. I'm holding a 32 MB CF card along with a CF to 40 pin
> > adapter that
> > will form the core of the sequencer right here in my hand.
>
> You do know of http://www.ucapps.de right?

I've seen it in passing a few times. While the MIDIBox is a good
general purpose platform for building quite a few MIDI projects
it's not targeted specifically for the sequencer work I want to
do. This is understandable since there are a ton of PC based
software sequencers out on market.

BAJ

2006\05\10@080534 by Russell McMahon

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> http://www.piclist.com/piclist/1994/05/11/093219a.txt

Slightly over 3 years longer than me.
I joined on 30th July 1997.

In compensation, I have attended the same church more or less
continually * for 41 years. Actually, the church has changed
continually over this period so its as if I've attended many different
churches.


       RM

* Yes, I know what 'continually' means. Sometimes it comes close to
being true. Where the traditionally identifiably 'spiritual' leaves
off the IT , multimedia, electrical and other support takes over.




2006\05\10@162325 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 00:00 +1200, Russell McMahon wrote:
>Slightly over 3 years longer than me.
>I joined on 30th July 1997.

Cool, just had a look myself, seems my first post was August 28th, 1997,
so you beat me by about a month! :) Coming up on 10 years, I feel old
now... :)

TTYL


2006\05\11@012951 by Nate Duehr

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Russell McMahon wrote:
>> www.piclist.com/piclist/1994/05/11/093219a.txt
>
> Slightly over 3 years longer than me.
> I joined on 30th July 1997.
>
> In compensation, I have attended the same church more or less
> continually * for 41 years. Actually, the church has changed
> continually over this period so its as if I've attended many different
> churches.
>
>
>         RM
>
> * Yes, I know what 'continually' means. Sometimes it comes close to
> being true. Where the traditionally identifiably 'spiritual' leaves
> off the IT , multimedia, electrical and other support takes over.

Our Sister of the Immaculate Sheets?

Bedside Baptist?

:-)

Nate

2006\05\11@051844 by Ken Walker

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I've got e-mails here from 1996, so it's probably before that when i joined
:o)


Ken


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2006\05\11@084531 by Dave Lag

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Ken Walker wrote:
> I've got e-mails here from 1996, so it's probably before that when i joined
> :o)

>>Russell McMahon wrote:
>>>Slightly over 3 years longer than me.
>>>I joined on 30th July 1997.

I wonder what percentage never post - the silent majority?

Maybe another large group join to ask their "homework" questions then
disappear?

D

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