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'[OT] Ubuntu Causes (Stupid)'
2009\01\16@123630 by John Ferrell

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Perhaps we are not in too deep on this thread to turn it positive.

I confess, I too am stupid when it comes to Linux. I seem to not be able to
grasp the necessary details. Every effort seems to either be too elementary
or too complex. I try again about every 5 years and it is time again. I
bought & tried Red Hat and SUSE 10. I still have SUSE 10 on a hard drive
along with an extensive tutorial on CD's. Kylix works OK for me within its
limitations. I think Debian wanted to me jump in as though I had experience.
Of all the efforts SUSE seemed the best but getting simple answers to simple
questions was impossible. Complicated and contradicting information in
response to simple questions seemed to be the norm. When I asked "how do I
install program x" and the answers come back in the form of "it depends
on..." I know I am in trouble.

I usually can make a Linux get online and get email, sometimes make Samba
work and play games. I have never been able to install anything that needed
to be compiled or to view a wmv file. The update process on SUSE 10 always
worked better than Windows Updates.

Should I bother to try Ubuntu or think in terms of revisiting SUSE 10 when
next the Linux Bug bites?
BTW, I am an old guy who lives in the boonies with little to no personal
contact with fellow Nerds (or is it Geeks now). All coaching/instructing
must come from the web or purchased somewhere.

John Ferrell  W8CCW

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing." -- Edmund Burke

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2009\01\16@124607 by Alexandros Nipirakis

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At the risk of starting a flame war, in my experience Ubuntu is great for
users who are not well versed with Linux.  It is written with the intention
of being a good end user operating system.  I have been training my father
in using computers using Ubuntu as his operating system.  My father speaks
and writes English as a second language (I set Ubuntu to English because it
is easier for my siblings to help him with it in English since they don't
speak/read Greek) and he has never had much experience with computers.  This
training has been reasonably productive.

Of course, others may have a different idea.  I have found that Red Hat
Enterprise Linux (see CentOS) is quite good, and so is Fedora.  I have never
used SuSE, and have only cursory knowledge of Debian.


2009/1/16 John Ferrell <>

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2009\01\16@143708 by Carlos Marcano

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I second that opinion.

Some people ("geek" kind of people) tend to criticize Ubuntu as  a
"windows-like" Linux, in terms of putting some complicated *nix stuff
aside in favor of user friendlines. I don't agree but that can tell
you something about the "kindness" for the newbie from Ubuntu.

Don't fool yourself, It is still a little bit complicated (different
should be the right word) to setup some stuff in Ubuntu but the guys
behind its development course tend to try to simplify most of the
things for the final user. Besides there is a great knowledge base at
<> whenever any problem arises. Good luck!


*Carlos Marcano*
-Guri, Venezuela-

P.S.: If you get to the point of trying Ubuntu, always download the
newest version of it from <>

On 16/01/2009, Alexandros Nipirakis <> wrote:
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2009\01\16@155553 by solarwind

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On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:36 PM, John Ferrell
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I HIGHLY recommend that you give Ubuntu a try. All "Linux" is is just
another operating system kernel. It's the core of the runtime
environment. Everything else is just an add on to that. When you
install Ubuntu, you'll get most of your favourite programs such as
Firefox, Pidgin IM and VLC media player and the Ubuntu forums is the
BEST. They don't shut out newbies like *cough* other forums *cough*
that I've been to. You can ask anything and you'll get a good, solid
and valuable answer. If you have any more questions, post. I may be a
noob to PICs but I used to develop for the Linux kernel at one point
and made a lot of Linux programs and such. You can also hit me up on
Arch Linux forums when you "graduate" :)

Ok, as for your past experiences, Ubuntu makes it VERY easy to install
programs. Almost any open source program you can imagine is available
in the repositories, meaning that you can just go to the Package
Manager or Add/Remove Programs and search and install. You'll almost
never have to compile ANYTHING. But if you do ever need to compile
anything, the process is as simple as:

1. Install dependencies (libraries and such) from the package manager.
2. Open up terminal, extract the source package.
3. Type "./configure"
4. Type "make"
5. Type "sudo make install" and type your password when prompted. You're done.

You should definitely give Ubuntu a try as it's not like SUSE 10 at
all. I'm sure you'll find the GNOME interface much more intuitive than
the more complex KDE interface. Although a matter of preference, new
users prefer GNOME as it is generally a lot simpler to use (actually
it's probably easier than windows or mac os).


2009\01\21@015557 by Dave

On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 15:06 -0430, Carlos Marcano wrote:
> On 16/01/2009, Alexandros Nipirakis <> wrote:
> > At the risk of starting a flame war, in my experience Ubuntu is
> great for
> > users who are not well versed with Linux.

       Yes I agree with you to a point, Ubuntu is a great learner OS but at
the same time as your knowledge grows so does the OS. Because it is a
Debian based system all the techie goodies are still there under the
hood for you to install and use at will. It is my *nix of choice for the
last 2 years (so far).


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