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'[OT] Trees'
2011\08\13@041154 by V G

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Curious, anyone here ever tried trees?

Message off list if you're uncomfortable posting on list

2011\08\13@042051 by Forrest W Christian

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Obviously I'm missing some data here... trees in what context?

On 8/13/2011 2:11 AM, V G wrote:
> Curious, anyone here ever tried trees?
>
> Message off list if you're uncomfortable posting on list.

2011\08\13@043121 by V G

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On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 4:21 AM, Forrest W Christian <spam_OUTforrestcTakeThisOuTspamimach.com>wrote:

> Obviously I'm missing some data here... trees in what context?


The herbal kind, if you know what I mean. I intentionally left out the
details.

If you are unable to extract the context, then your answer is probably no

2011\08\13@045303 by RussellMc

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Hat:: Paper, party, Admin advisory:

VG - not a suitable subject for this list, obfuscated or no.

And not a suitable subject for any brain that wishes to attain its
utmost capabilities in years to come. Whatever.

ANY responses offlist please.



       Russell

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On 13 August 2011 20:11, V G <.....x.solarwind.xKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Curious, anyone here ever tried trees?
>
> Message off list if you're uncomfortable posting on list.
>

2011\08\13@052121 by V G

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On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 4:52 AM, RussellMc <apptechnzspamKILLspamgmail.com> wrote:

> Hat:: Paper, party, Admin advisory:
>
> VG - not a suitable subject for this list, obfuscated or no.
>
> And not a suitable subject for any brain that wishes to attain its
> utmost capabilities in years to come. Whatever.
>
> ANY responses offlist please.
>
>
Very well

2011\08\13@145534 by John Ferrell

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I always liked Binary trees or may be some OT's recall them as B-Trees.
But that was when programmers bragged about efficient code and used a lot of pushes & pops...

On 8/13/2011 4:11 AM, V G wrote:
> Curious, anyone here ever tried trees?
>
> Message off list if you're uncomfortable posting on list.

-- John Ferrell W8CCW
  Nothing sucks more than that moment
    during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

2011\08\13@154716 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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       Only LISP Can Make a Tree


I think that I shall never see
A matrix lovely as a tree.
Trees are fifty times as fun
As structures a la PL/I
(Which Dijkstra claims are too baroque).
And SNOBOL's strings just can't compare
With all the leaves a tree may bear.
And COMIT strings are just a joke.
Vectors, tuples too, are nice,
But haven't the impressive flair
Of trees to which a LISP is heir.
A LISPer's life is paradise!

Many people think that JOSS
And others, too, are strictly boss;
And there are many BASIC fans
Who think their favorite language spans
All that would a user please.
Compared to LISP they're all a loss,
For none of them gives all the ease
With which a LISP builds moby trees.

RPG is just a nurd
(As you no doubt have often heard);
The record layouts are absurd,
And numbers packed in decimal form
Will never fit a base-two word
Without a veritable storm
Of gross conversions fro and to
With them arithmetic to do.
And one must allocate the field
Correct arithmetic to yield,
And decimal places represent
Truncation loss to circumvent:
Thus RPG is second-rate.
In LISP one needn't allocate
(That boon alone is heaven-sent!)
The scheme is sheer simplicity:
A number's just another tree.
When numbers threaten overflow
LISP makes the number tree to grow,
Extending its significance
With classic treelike elegance.
A LISP can generate reports,
Create a file, do chains and sorts;
But one thing you will never see
Is moby trees in RPG.

One thing the average language lacks
Is programmed use of push-down stacks.
But LISP provides this feature free:
A stack - you guessed it - is a tree.
An empty stack is simply NIL.
In order, then, the stack to fill
A CONS will push things on the top;
To empty it, a CDR will
Behave exactly like a pop.
A simple CAR will get you back
The last thing you pushed on the stack;
An empty stack's detectable
By testing with the function NULL.
Thus even should a LISPer lose
With PROGs and GOs, RETURNs and DOs,
He need his mind not overtax
To implement recursive hacks:
He'll utilize this clever ruse
Of using trees as moby stacks.
Some claim this method is too slow
Because it uses CONS so much
And thus requires the GC touch;
It has one big advantage, though:
You needn't fear for overflow.
Since LISP allows its trees to grow,
Stacks can to any limits go.

COBOL input is a shame:
The implementors play a game
That no two versions are the same.
And rocky is the FORTRAN road
One's alpha input to decode:
The FORMAT statement is to blame,
But on the user falls the load.
And FOCAL input's just a farce;
But all LISP input comes pre-parsed!
(The input reader gets its fame
By getting storage for each node
From lists of free words scattered sparse.
It parses all the input strings
With aid of mystic mutterings;
From dots and strange parentheses,
From zeros, sevens, A's and Z's,
Constructs, with magic reckonings,
The pointers needed for its trees.
It builds the trees with complex code
With rubout processing bestowed;
When typing errors do forebode
The rubout makes recovery tame,
And losers then will oft exclaim
Their sanity to LISP is owed -
To help these losers is LISP's aim.)

The flow-control of APL
And OS data sets as well
Are best described as tortured hell.
For LISPers everything's a breeze;
They neatly output all their trees
With format-free parentheses
And see their program logic best
By how their lovely parens nest.
While others are by GOs possessed,
And WHILE-DO, CASE, and all the rest,
The LISPing hackers will prefer
With COND their programs to invest
And let their functions all recur
When searching trees in maddened quest.

Expanding records of fixed size
Will quickly programs paralyze.
Though ISAM claims to be so wise
In allocating overflow,
Its data handling is too slow
And finding it takes many tries.
But any fool can plainly see
Inherent flexibility
In data structured as a tree.
When all their efforts have gone sour
To swell fixed records, losers glower.
But list reclaimers hour by hour
By setting all the garbage free
Yield CONSequent capacity:
Thus trees indefinitely flower.
(And trees run on atomic power!)

To men of sensibility
The lesson here is plain to see:
Arrays are used by clods like me,
But only LISP can make a tree.


       -- The Great Quux

       (with apologies to Joyce Kilmer)


(C) Copyright 1973 Guy L. Steele Jr.  All rights reserved.

2011\08\13@171130 by RussellMc

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I think that I shall never see
A billboard lovely as a tree
In fact, unless the billboards fall
I'll never see a tree at all.


 Ogden Nash

2011\08\13@172244 by Peter Johansson

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On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 5:10 PM, RussellMc <.....apptechnzKILLspamspam.....gmail.com> wrote:

> I think that I shall never see
> A billboard lovely as a tree
> In fact, unless the billboards fall
> I'll never see a tree at all.

What are you?  Some kind of anti-capitalistic, tree-hugging, hippie
freak?  Sheesh!

-p

2011\08\13@182114 by Forrest W Christian

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Somehow this talking heads song seems strangely appropriate for this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XofaLILvNsE

On 8/13/2011 3:10 PM, RussellMc wrote:
> I think that I shall never see
> A billboard lovely as a tree
> In fact, unless the billboards fall
> I'll never see a tree at all.
>
>
>    Ogden Nash?

2011\08\13@190538 by IVP

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> anyone here ever tried trees?

Don't know about 'tried' them, but dendrochronologists certainly
date them. "If you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it ...... "

2011\08\13@193806 by IVP

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>I think that I shall never see
> A billboard lovely as a tree
> In fact, unless the billboards fall
> I'll never see a tree at all.
>
>  Ogden Nash?

I talk to the trees
That's why they put me away

Spike Milligan

2011\08\14@182651 by Jim Franklin

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Ok, so I just woke my wife up when I laughed out loud at that one...

Oops


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> anyone here ever tried trees?

Don't know about 'tried' them, but dendrochronologists certainly
date them. "If you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it ...... "

2011\08\14@193855 by V G

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On 2011-08-14, at 6:27 PM, Jim Franklin wrote:

> Ok, so I just woke my wife up when I laughed out loud at that one...
>
> Oops

Guess you're not getting any tonight.



Jkj

2011\08\14@194453 by Yigit Turgut

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I heard that trees might come handy in these kinds of cases.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:38 AM, V G <@spam@x.solarwind.xKILLspamspamgmail.com> wrote:
> On 2011-08-14, at 6:27 PM, Jim Franklin wrote:
>
>> Ok, so I just woke my wife up when I laughed out loud at that one...
>>
>> Oops
>
> Guess you're not getting any tonight.
>
>
>
> Jkjk
>

2011\08\15@055834 by cdb

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> anyone here ever tried trees?

One knows one is getting old, when slang terms no longer mean anything to one and it has to be found by gurglefying for it.

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On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:05:31 +1200, IVP wrote:
:::: anyone here ever tried trees?

2011\08\15@063119 by V G

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On 2011-08-15, at 5:58 AM, cdb wrote:

>> anyone here ever tried trees?
>
> One knows one is getting old, when slang terms no longer mean anything to
> one and it has to be found by gurglefying for it.

It's not slang. I just felt that I needed to obfuscate what I'm referring to

2011\08\15@063559 by alan.b.pearce

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> > anyone here ever tried trees?
>
> One knows one is getting old, when slang terms no longer mean anything to
> one and it has to be found by gurglefying for it.

Do I want to even bother ... nah!
-- Scanned by iCritical.

2011\08\15@064550 by Michael Watterson

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On 15/08/2011 11:31, V G wrote:
> It's not slang. I just felt that I needed to obfuscate what I'm referring to.
Usually that means it's not worth posting.

This isn't TwitBook or Faceter

2011\08\15@070753 by V G

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On 2011-08-15, at 6:44 AM, Michael Watterson wrote:

> On 15/08/2011 11:31, V G wrote:
>> It's not slang. I just felt that I needed to obfuscate what I'm referring to.
> Usually that means it's not worth posting.
>
> This isn't TwitBook or Faceter

I'm very well aware what "this" is and what it is not. Fortunately, you don't have the authority to dictate what is and is not worth posting. Correct me if I'm wrong.

2011\08\15@080543 by RussellMc

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This conversation is drifting in the direction which it was
predictably going to drift in if left to its own devices.

Continuing to post on humorous aspects arising seems bearable if we
can stay away from the original subject material (whatever it was :-)
)  AND also stay away from personal can/can't, did/didn't etc , which
has started to happen.

NB - comment on or correction of any errors in the following paragraph
should be done ***OFFLIST***

For the benefit of the old or ungurglefied, "trees" refers, in some
circles,  to Ma_ri_ua_a (obfuscated to allow passage through email
systems which may otherwise excise the message).   If that's what was
originally meant then it's best discussed elsewhere, and if not what
was meant then the term was more obfuscated than was useful. The
subject has merit to some degree even, perhaps, in this list's context
but has zero chance of not causing problems if discussed. Anyone
wishing to discuss that assessment with me is very welcome to do so
BUT OFFLIST PLEASE.

Anyone who cannot understand the English in the preceding paragraph
please apply to Bob to have kneecaps removed. (I'm the good cop).

      Russel

2011\08\15@092744 by Tamas Rudnai

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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:31 AM, V G <RemoveMEx.solarwind.xTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:

> It's not slang. I just felt that I needed to obfuscate what I'm referring
> to.
>

If you need to obfuscate something then it is a good indicator that is
inappropriate or disturbing. So you should not post it anyway.

Tamas




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2011\08\15@095250 by RussellMc

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