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2006\04\03@185703 by John Nall

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This is tongue-in-cheek, and not a dig at Olin, who I respect a lot.  
But when I read these, I just could not resist . . . :-)


   1. I can see your point, but I still think you're full of crap.

   2. I'm really easy to get along with once you people learn to see it
my way.

   3. I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.

   4. It sounds like English, but I can't understand a damn word you're
saying.

   5. I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.

   6. I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth.

   7. Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique
point of view.

   8. Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.

   9. I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant.

   10. And your crybaby whiny-assed opinion would be...?

   11. Sarcasm is just one more service we offer.

   12. If I throw a stick, will you leave?


2006\04\03@231247 by David VanHorn

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>    3. I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.
>    4. It sounds like English, but I can't understand a damn word you're
> saying.
>    5. I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.


I'll admit to having these thoughts at times :)

Ya know, we all make mistakes, and wherever we are in our own journey, there
are ones who need our leadership, and others that we need to look to for
leadership.

2006\04\04@070100 by olin piclist

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John Nall wrote:
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I love it!  Now if only James would let me say these things it would really
cut down on typing.  I particularly like numbers 1, 3, 4, and 9, and 12 is a
new one I'll have to remember.


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2006\04\04@072442 by Joe McCauley

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> > 12. If I throw a stick, will you leave?
>
> I love it!  Now if only James would let me say these things
> it would really cut down on typing.  I particularly like
> numbers 1, 3, 4, and 9, and 12 is a new one I'll have to remember.
>
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Maybe he'll let you reference them by number..........:)

2006\04\04@075152 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> I love it!  Now if only James would let me say these things
> it would really
> cut down on typing.  I particularly like numbers 1, 3, 4, and
> 9, and 12 is a
> new one I'll have to remember.

Olin, IMHO that list was on the edge, and context is also important.

But: maybe we could adopt PIClist shortcuts for these phrases? Like:

  I read your comments, but IMHO [1,9]. And BTW, [11,12]?

Wouter van Ooijen

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2006\04\04@093438 by Howard Winter

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Dave,

On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 23:12:47 -0400, David VanHorn wrote:
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> Ya know, we all make mistakes, and wherever we are in our own journey, there
> are ones who need our leadership, and others that we need to look to for
> leadership.

...and then there are those that you just wish would get out of the way!  :-)

I don't see myself so much on a journey, as wandering about and occasionally tripping over something
interesting...

Cheers,



Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\04\04@094750 by Bob Axtell

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hehe... Cute stuff, guys.

--Bob


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2006\04\04@103003 by John Ferrell

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I like it.

It does remind me of the old TV program "The Gong Show".

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2006\04\04@213449 by Robert Ammerman

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Olin,

Maybe you could get away with just referring to them by code number, like
this:

[3]

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems

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2006\04\04@221709 by James Humes

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> Olin, IMHO that list was on the edge, and context is also important.
>
> But: maybe we could adopt PIClist shortcuts for these phrases? Like:
>
>   I read your comments, but IMHO [1,9]. And BTW, [11,12]?
>
> Wouter van Ooijen



   Was that the interval [1,9] inclusive?  That has a super roast to effort
ratio.

James

2006\04\04@230514 by John Nall

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James Humes wrote:
>> Olin, IMHO that list was on the edge, and context is also important.
>>
>> But: maybe we could adopt PIClist shortcuts for these phrases? Like:
>>
>>   I read your comments, but IMHO [1,9]. And BTW, [11,12]?
>>
>> Wouter van Ooijen
>>    
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>     Was that the interval [1,9] inclusive?  That has a super roast to effort
> ratio.
>  
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Generally speaking, the interval [1-9] is considered to be inclusive,
and [1,9] would just be those two values.  [1-3,6} would be the
inclusive interval from 1 to 3, and also 6.  This is the Unix convention.
.
So far as that list being on the edge, I did not mean it to be and
apologize if it was.  I merely meant it as a bit of humor.  The only
person who could possibly be offended, IMO, would be Olin, and I didn't
think he would be.  (And he was not).
.
John

2006\04\05@021416 by Wouter van Ooijen

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>     Was that the interval [1,9] inclusive?

no, that would have been [1..9]. And [1b] to you :)

Wouter van Ooijen

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2006\04\05@033956 by Jason

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From: "John Nall" <.....jwnallKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:05 PM

> Generally speaking, the interval [1-9] is considered to be inclusive,
> and [1,9] would just be those two values.  [1-3,6} would be the
> inclusive interval from 1 to 3, and also 6.  This is the Unix convention.

Mathematically speaking [1,9] is the closed interval from 1 to 9.  It
cotains all values of your domain in that range including the two listed.

(1,9) is the open interval from 1 to 9.  It contains all values of your
domain in that range not including the two listed.

Since we're dealing with the natural numbers, [2,8] = (1, 9), but it gets
more interesting with reals.



2006\04\05@041930 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Mathematically speaking [1,9] is the closed interval from 1 to 9.

In some convention systems. I use Python a lot, and in Python [1,9] is
the notation for a list of two elements, 1 and 9.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2006\04\05@094327 by James Humes

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Gee, I can't understand why my non-abrasive comment would get returned with
a [1b], especially since I would think that mathematical notation would
supercede any programming syntax (if you're being picky that is), and
further wouldn't indicate that I was full of crap.  I wasn't trying to be
insulting to anyone.  Actually, I meant that to be a very lighthearted
attempt at participation.

Also, as was pointed out, the word "inclusive" I used is redundant but I was
typing it as I would speak it.

I'm going to a darkened room to practice my social skills.


James


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no, that would have been [1..9]. And [1b] to you :)


Wouter van Ooijen

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2006\04\05@110350 by Wouter van Ooijen

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I hope you did notice the :) ?

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2006\04\05@112305 by William Killian

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> > Mathematically speaking [1,9] is the closed interval from 1 to 9.
>
> In some convention systems. I use Python a lot, and in Python [1,9] is
> the notation for a list of two elements, 1 and 9.
>
> Wouter van Ooijen

When math geek meets code jockey....

I'm sorta both.




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2006\04\05@201056 by James Humes

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I did, but I must have woken up on the wrong side of the bed (the front
side).  I over-reacted.

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2006\04\05@204727 by Gerhard Fiedler

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James Humes wrote:

> especially since I would think that mathematical notation would supercede
> any programming syntax

You didn't expect this on /this/ list, did you? :)

Gerhard

2006\04\06@021140 by Wouter van Ooijen

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Thanks. Maybe I should have added another smiley to avoid single-point
failure modes :)

> I did, but I must have woken up on the wrong side of the bed
> (the front side).  I over-reacted.

2006\04\06@033303 by Russell McMahon

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> I particularly like numbers 1, 3, 4, and 9 ...

[5].

1,3,9 are just part of being sociopathic (in the proper sense of the
word :-) ) and are probably not able to be remedied in this lifetime.

But 4 is a problem you need to work on personally as it deals with a
completely different issue to 1,3,9 and to most of the other points.
1,3,9 relate to others perceived deficiencies which you believe they
can and should address. However, 4 usually relates to a lack of
knowledge and skill on their part which is often entirely acceptable
due to circumstance AND simultaneously to a lack of perception and
understanding on yours (and variably on most of our parts). The trap
is to suffer from the latter severely enough that you think the others
suffer from the former to an unnacceptable extent. This has certainly
occurred on a number of occasions, usually without it being apparent
in retrospect that the reason for the breakdown has been understood.
eg One only useful example: At one stage we had a man of great
competence and internationally acknowledged achievement joined the
list and asked a question. Along the way he used the word "demand" and
was treated to [2, 6-11] when, as he was French, the problem was the
mirror image of  4 on the [2, 6-11]ers part. Without the [2, 6-11]er
ever realising this or, at least, acknowledging it subsequently. I
don't know that he ever came back. One runs the severe risk of /8 in
such cases.





               RM

2006\04\06@084003 by Danny Sauer

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Russell wrote regarding 'Re: [OT] Things Olin thought, but never said (I don't think!)' on Thu, Apr 06 at 02:35:
> But 4 is a problem you need to work on personally as it deals with a
[...]

Which number was "don't take jokes too seriously", again? :)

> I don't know that he ever came back.

I'll bet he learned a little about English in a way he wasn't likely
to forget, though, so it all works out in the end. ;)

--Danny, hoping that's enough smilies to keep indignant responses at
bay

2006\04\06@085727 by olin piclist

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Russell McMahon wrote:
> However, 4 usually relates to a lack of
> knowledge and skill on their part

Sometimes, but all too often it's people just being lazy.  In particular I
was thinking of someone trying to use those really annoying "cutsey"
abbreviations ("c u l8r"), not bothering to capatilize the first word of a
sentence or putting a period at the end, not bothering to write sentences at
all but just spewing forth verbal diarrhea, etc.  This is very different, in
fact orthogonal to, foreigners not getting the tense of a verb right, using
unusual sentence structure, minor misspellings, etc.  The latter is usually
easy to spot and can generally still be understood.  The former is just lazy
and arrogant since it basically says "I'm more important than you are, so I
can save myself a few mS typing.  I don't care that 1500 people will find it
annoying and take more time to read it.  They aren't of any consequence
anyway.".

A good example on this list is Vasile.  He clearly isn't that good with
english, but he also at least tries and can generally still be understood.
I don't have a problem with his posts.  If he were to say something that was
literally rude I'd figure it was most likely an unintentional use of
english, but this has never happened that I can recall.

> At one stage we had a man of great
> competence and internationally acknowledged achievement

I remember the incident, but don't remember anything about "great
competence" and "internationally acknowledge achievement".  While some
people who have shown general competence on the list over a number of posts
get a little slack for an occasional error, this doesn't apply to new
members that don't yet have a history.

> Along the way he used the word "demand" and
> was treated to [2, 6-11] when, as he was French, the problem was the
> mirror image of  4 on the [2, 6-11]ers part.

We can only go by what someone said, not by what they might have meant.  In
some cases the wording, grammer, and spelling make it obvious that the
writer is not a native english speaker, and they get a little extra slack as
long as it appears they weren't being sloppy or lazy.  But in the end the
writer is responsible for what was written and its meaning in normal
english.  Demanding a response from the list is just plain rude, and anyone
doing that, whether deliberate or accidental, must put up with the
consequence.  If it was accidental, then a simple explaination of "sorry, I
misunderstood the meaning of the word, I'm meant ..." would be sufficient
and all would be forgotten.  However, the OP didn't do that in this case as
I remember (this was a few years ago.  I would look it up in the archives if
I remembered better when this was).  Instead he got all bent out of shape
about the response.  I sortof remember he got even more rude and went away
or was booted off.  Oh well.


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2006\04\06@094958 by Alan B. Pearce

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>> Along the way he used the word "demand" and was
>> treated to [2, 6-11] when, as he was French, the
>> problem was the mirror image of  4 on the [2, 6-11]ers part.

Oh, dear, here we go using numbers already. ;) ;) ;)

> Demanding a response from the list is just plain rude,

Round here ("here" being a UK government department) I get known as a
"demanding officer" on the paperwork when I place an order on a supplier ...

2006\04\06@100330 by Joe McCauley

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Whereas I don't recall the incident, there may have been an element of
culture/language clash in that case. The French verb 'demander' literally
means to ask. It would be really easy for a French person who is not too 'au
fait' with English to see our 'demand' as his 'ask'. In general it would be
reasonable to give such people the benefit of the doubt. It is be really
difficult to formulate a clear tech question in a language you are not
fluent in. (been there, done that & sympathise with anyone who has to do it
on a regular basis...)

Of course some people really will be obnoxious and this will be evident
after a couple of posts.


Joe

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2006\04\06@101725 by olin piclist

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Joe McCauley wrote:
> The French verb 'demander'
> literally means to ask. It would be really easy for a French person who
> is not too 'au fait' with English to see our 'demand' as his 'ask'.

Yes, but someone not familiar with french wouldn't know this and could only
go by the english meaning of the word as written.  Again, a simple "Sorry I
used the wrong word, I meant ..." would fix this.


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2006\04\06@124703 by Howard Winter

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Olin,

On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:59:30 -0400, Olin Lathrop wrote:
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> In some cases the wording, grammer, and spelling make it obvious that the
> writer is not a native english speaker

That's "grammar"!  :-)))

We would be in real trouble at school for misspelling that, since it was a "Grammar School"!

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\04\06@143204 by Steve Smith

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Its not lazy its dyslexia I cant spell for toffee word takes over and fixes
most problems and you just type 2 fast sometimes. Result mucking furds
wuddled ! They never managed to teach me pronunciation nor can I do hand
righting or spell in. I know I aint the only one what cant do good English
an there is more than one engineer tat suffers from poor the same
promlem.....

Steve

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