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'[OT] Tailgating..... was: Teaching driving'
2011\06\13@141229 by YES NOPE9

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Phil
What is DSA and What is RTA  ?     I slow down when tail-gated and continue to slow down in an effort to get them to pass me.... I also hold up thumb and adjacent finger and indicate an increasingly small gap.
Are you slowing down to increase your safety or instead to pssss the bggggr off ?  6K for driving lessons... does the car feel like a dis-connected extension of your body ?   What do the driving instructors show you or have you do ?
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2011\06\13@170006 by Philip Pemberton

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On 13/06/11 19:12, YES NOPE9 wrote:
> What is DSA and What is RTA  ?     I slow down when tail-gated and continue to slow down in an effort to get them to pass me.... I also hold up thumb and adjacent finger and indicate an increasingly small gap.

DSA = Driving Standards Agency. Part of the Department for Transport, responsible for handling practical driving tests in the UK. The theory tests are outsourced to Pearson.

RTA = Road Traffic Accident. Also known as a Road Traffic Collision.

> Are you slowing down to increase your safety or instead to pssss the bggggr off ?

To get the guy to either back off, or overtake.

Usually you don't even have to slow down. Hold rock stable at 30MPH (or whatever the speed limit is). If he slams into the back of you, it's pretty damn obvious to the accident investigators how far behind he was, and

In my experience, the worst offenders are owners of big, expensive cars (BMW / Mercedes, most non-Land Rover SUVs...)
"Coat-hanger men" (businessmen who hang their suit jackets from the rear seat coat-hangers in e.g. the Ford Mondeo and Toyota Avensis) tend to be pretty bad. I once saw someone driving straight down the centre line between two lanes of the M62... and yes, he had his suit coat-hangered in the back, and a mobile phone in his hand...

"I'm so important, everyone should drive AROUND ME!"

I'm pretty sure there was a Police Camera Action show about this sort of behaviour... :)

> What do the driving instructors show you or have you do ?

Pretty much what's in the DSA manuals and very little else. None of them have covered parking in a bay (i.e. like you'd see in a multi-storey or supermarket car park) because it isn't on the test. Most of the effort goes on memorising the routes the examiners can use for the test...

I've had one decent driving tutor out of four, from two different companies. The second company (BSM) could barely get their schedule sorted out (missed and rescheduled lessons were common, and the office were utterly useless).

I am REALLY not impressed with the standard of driving tuition around here, and I don't have the money to have another go.

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2011\06\13@183053 by Oli Glaser

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On 13/06/2011 22:00, Philip Pemberton wrote:
> I've had one decent driving tutor out of four, from two different
> companies. The second company (BSM) could barely get their schedule
> sorted out (missed and rescheduled lessons were common, and the office
> were utterly useless).
>
> I am REALLY not impressed with the standard of driving tuition around
> here, and I don't have the money to have another go.

Sounds like you had a rough ride - I've stayed in and driven round Leeds so I have a rough idea of how it can be at times.
Maybe you would have been better off sending the 6k to the examiner :-)

This all reminded me of my first driving tutor (from the mighty AA of all places)
The guy was a real mess, I felt sorry for him. Looked like he had the weight of two worlds on his shoulders. I remember thinking he was always looking tired, but thought maybe that was just his "look".
What confirmed my suspicions of him being terribly overworked was when during one lesson, I was driving down a pretty busy dual carriageway, took about 2 or 3 minutes. I was nearing the end and I asked "which way shall I turn at the junction?".. no answer .."which way shall I.." I glanced to the side and the poor guy was fast asleep!! Really. :-))
I remember just driving around for about ten minutes, and he eventually came round. So as not to embarrass him I didn't mention anything. I think he thought he had only dropped off for a second or two and I didn't notice.
Anyway I finished the lessons with him, took my test and (somehow) passed... then.. ..got banned 3 months later when, after a few pints, I decided I didn't want to leave my car outside the pub for the night so I'd just "pop it round the corner", literally 10 or so yards. I remember saying to my friend "it'd be just my luck if the police turned up now..."
Oh well, you live and learn.. :-)

2011\06\13@183754 by Bob Blick

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On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:30 +0100, "Oli Glaser" wrote:

> Anyway I finished the lessons with him, took my test and (somehow)
> passed... then.. ..got banned 3 months later when, after a few pints, I
> decided I didn't want to leave my car outside the pub for the night so
> I'd just "pop it round the corner", literally 10 or so yards. I remember
> saying to my friend "it'd be just my luck if the police turned up now..."
> Oh well, you live and learn.. :-)

You needed a "designated decoy":
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=designated%20decoy

Bob

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2011\06\13@193827 by Oli Glaser

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On 13/06/2011 23:37, Bob Blick wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:30 +0100, "Oli Glaser" wrote:
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>> Anyway I finished the lessons with him, took my test and (somehow)
>> passed... then.. ..got banned 3 months later when, after a few pints, I
>> decided I didn't want to leave my car outside the pub for the night so
>> I'd just "pop it round the corner", literally 10 or so yards. I remember
>> saying to my friend "it'd be just my luck if the police turned up now..."
>> Oh well, you live and learn.. :-)
> You needed a "designated decoy":
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=designated%20decoy
>
> Bob
>

That certainly would have come in handy, although if I remember the patrons of that particular establishment, finding a sober person might have proved somewhat difficult.. :-)

2011\06\14@035949 by cdb

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:: I slow down when tail-gated and continue to slow down in an effort
:: to get them to pass me

The problem here is, that often makes the driver behind frustrated and even more of a danger than they were already.

Strange, when I saw the French and Italians driving I thought they were quite 'devil may care' - in Calais I saw two cars stop in the middle of the road whilst the drivers had a punch up and then they drove on - very Monsieur Hulotresque  (I was only a schoolboy at the time), Italy the horn seemed very important (leaves out schoolboy joke about the 1960's Highway Code thoughts on the matter) which apparently gives one carte blanche (carto blanco?) to run all other car drivers and pedestrians off the road.

When I came to Australia - I was horrified at the fact here in Queensland, it is legal to undertake (though it is now being frowned upon) no one seems to understand how to use or signal at a roundabout and people like to save fuel by slip streaming into your blind spot (modern European cars seem to have made a sport of inventing more and more of these in cars - yes I know why) and indicating after they've actually cut you up.

I'm pretty sure when an Australian goes to the UK they probably have similar things to say about British drivers - my father (Australian) did have this prevailing idea - one can make any maneouvre one wants, because the other drivers won't want to run into you - this from the man who ran into a wall in Malta and then when he arrived in England had a heated argument with the driving examiner because he failed him.

I of course passed first time :) at 17, I took two weeks holiday from work , and had 2 hour driving lessons (OK 110 minutes) 6 days a week at various times of day, plus a couple of hours with my father on a Sunday and probably about a further 10 hours prior to my two sennight stint.

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2011\06\14@040156 by cdb

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:: "I'm so important, everyone should drive AROUND ME!"

What about Sunday drivers?  Potter along oblivious that anyone else in the world exists.

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2011\06\14@041504 by alan.b.pearce

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> :: "I'm so important, everyone should drive AROUND ME!"
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> What about Sunday drivers?  Potter along oblivious that anyone else in the
> world exists.

There seem to be a new breed now, who 'sleep drive' any day of the week, that is 'Sunday drive' on any day but Sunday ...
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2011\06\14@045521 by jimf

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       On monday morning this week, a girl pulled out of a side street (in
her father's car incidentally), and ran into the side of my car that
i was driving on the main through road (my wife's car, but I was
driving),  
         BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }
My wife jumped out of the car - in her ever protective manner towards
her "baby", and said "Look what you did to my car!"
       to which the girl said, "didnt you see me, I was in the middle of
the road."
       "actually No, *I* was in the middle of the road, you are now in the
middle of my car".
       Her father turned up about 5 minutes later, having been on the phone
to the girl at the time of the accident (hands-free), and his first
words were
       "Oh, what's she done now?"
       ....
       No insurance involvement, but they are paying for the repairs.  On Tue 14/06/11 9:14 AM , .....alan.b.pearceKILLspamspam.....stfc.ac.uk sent:
 > :: "I'm so important, everyone should drive AROUND ME!"
>  > What about Sunday drivers? Potter along oblivious that anyone else
in the
> world exists.
There seem to be a new breed now, who 'sleep drive' any day of the
week, that is 'Sunday drive' on any day but Sunday ...
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2011\06\14@045522 by jimf

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       On monday morning this week, a girl pulled out of a side street (in
her father's car incidentally), and ran into the side of my car that
i was driving on the main through road (my wife's car, but I was
driving),  
         BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }
My wife jumped out of the car - in her ever protective manner towards
her "baby", and said "Look what you did to my car!"
       to which the girl said, "didnt you see me, I was in the middle of
the road."
       "actually No, *I* was in the middle of the road, you are now in the
middle of my car".
       Her father turned up about 5 minutes later, having been on the phone
to the girl at the time of the accident (hands-free), and his first
words were
       "Oh, what's she done now?"
       ....
       No insurance involvement, but they are paying for the repairs.  On Tue 14/06/11 9:14 AM , EraseMEalan.b.pearcespam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTstfc.ac.uk sent:
 > :: "I'm so important, everyone should drive AROUND ME!"
>  > What about Sunday drivers? Potter along oblivious that anyone else
in the
> world exists.
There seem to be a new breed now, who 'sleep drive' any day of the
week, that is 'Sunday drive' on any day but Sunday ...
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