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2012\04\10@035126 by Jim

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Mine arrived this morning..
what a cool piece of kit, I'm looking forward to having a play tonight!

-Jim

2012\04\10@050514 by RussellMc

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> what a cool piece of kit, I'm looking forward to having a play tonight!

As of today mine is still in the US.

Digikey did their usual song and dance re asking about intended end use.
As it's a super-dangerous ITAR munition that must not fall into the
wrong hands they needed my assurance that I was only to use it for
light-side applications. I may have to leave it at home next time I
travel to China.

My initial description of application said I wanted it to evaluate the
various capabilities of the product, but apparently that wasn't good
enough. So UI sent them a nice list of creative possibilities, all of
which would be nice to get to sooner or later. Fitting my answer in
their ITAR reason box may prove problematic.

To make up for the delay the nice folk at Farnement14 this morning
delivered 17kg of freight-free p order  - including 4 x steel shell 44
drawer parts-cabinets all the way from the UK. At least, they
certainly BETTER be freight free - that's what the offer said. Very
nice they are too - 44? drawers, steel case. Nicely made. Soon to have
plastic drawers lightly sprayed with Nickel spray to notionally ESD
protect them - yet to investigate whether plastic used is ESD-OK as is
but no reason to think so.


         Russel

2012\04\10@055555 by Jim

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ah the ol' munitions question.

I put "R&D"  and had a follow up email asking what specifically.

"R&D for a personal fitness and training evaluation system"

Well, I couldn't exactly say "$25 of fun for a geek" could I?



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2012\04\10@060631 by cdb

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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:04:34 +1200, RussellMc wrote:
:: As it's a super-dangerous ITAR munition

What? You've never watched a James Bond film? Even pens and shoes are dangerous, and Digikey might one day sell steel toe cap antistatic boots with 'go-faster' stripes on them, which all good Mr T. Ists would want to use.

At least they are not like Bull Electrical who just accuse you of being a naughty person and refuse your order.

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2012\04\10@062108 by alan.b.pearce

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>
> > what a cool piece of kit, I'm looking forward to having a play tonight!
>
> As of today mine is still in the US.
>
> Digikey did their usual song and dance re asking about intended end use.
> As it's a super-dangerous ITAR munition that must not fall into the wrong hands they
> needed my assurance that I was only to use it for light-side applications.. I may
> have to leave it at home next time I travel to China.

I better be careful what I say ... the UK government is wanting to require all ISPs to have a means for GCHQ to be able to tap into any communications ...

Around this place the H&S people have put up posters about things we need to be careful about, as we are a research lab, and so we need to keep track of things we buy, such as duty free alcohol (IPA) and weapons precursors (picture shows man in breathing apparatus emerging from sulphurous yellow cloud). On the basis of the latter picture, it could be assumed that I need to don a Darth Vader helmet each time I handle the ITAR electronic components we use ...


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2012\04\10@062828 by V G

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On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jim <EraseMEjimfspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTwebstudios.co.uk> wrote:

> what a cool piece of kit
>

Phew. Close call

2012\04\10@103137 by Peter Johansson

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On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 5:04 AM, RussellMc <apptechnzspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:

> Digikey did their usual song and dance re asking about intended end use.
> As it's a super-dangerous ITAR munition that must not fall into the
> wrong hands they needed my assurance that I was only to use it for
> light-side application.

FWIW:

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/04/people-wearing-this-casio-watch-might-be-terrorists/

-p

2012\04\10@115419 by Jim Franklin

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I suppose that's technically correct; but so is saying

"People who don't wear this watch might be terrorists"



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2012\04\10@115433 by Jim Franklin

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For?

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Subject: Re: [OT] TI Chronos

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jim <RemoveMEjimfTakeThisOuTspamwebstudios.co.uk> wrote:

> what a cool piece of kit
>

Phew. Close call

2012\04\10@124617 by RussellMc

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> ...  we need to keep track of things we buy, such as duty free alcohol (IPA)

IPA is used, I'm told, for extracting Cannabis resin.

My local chemist shop would only sell me 50cc at a time at a truly
horrendous price. I had to sigh a register.

A few months later I chanced to wander through a shopping centre in a
lower socio economic area in Auckland and found 1,2 and 4 litre
bottles of IPA at far far better prices. I asked the shop owner if he
sold much, thinking that he may do a roaring trade init. He said he
only sells a bottle every few months. I told him about the use for
resin production and he was surprised. Seemed genuine. No signature
required.


                 Russel

2012\04\10@133701 by Marcel Duchamp

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On 4/10/2012 9:45 AM, RussellMc wrote:
>> ...  we need to keep track of things we buy, such as duty free alcohol (IPA)
> IPA is used, I'm told, for extracting Cannabis resin.
>
> My local chemist shop would only sell me 50cc at a time at a truly
> horrendous price. I had to sigh a register.
>
> A few months later I chanced to wander through a shopping centre in a
> lower socio economic area in Auckland and found 1,2 and 4 litre
> bottles of IPA at far far better prices. I asked the shop owner if he
> sold much, thinking that he may do a roaring trade init. He said he
> only sells a bottle every few months. I told him about the use for
> resin production and he was surprised. Seemed genuine. No signature
> required.
>
>
>                    Russell
And here, I thought IPA was India Pale Ale..

2012\04\10@153013 by Jim Franklin

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I guess it goes well with a drop of lemonade then?

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2012\04\10@153134 by Jim Franklin

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Hmm I pondered your reply a little more.. and I think you were along the
lines of a rhyming word?? Naughty VG :0

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Subject: Re: [OT] TI Chronos

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jim <RemoveMEjimfspamTakeThisOuTwebstudios.co.uk> wrote:

> what a cool piece of kit
>

Phew. Close call

2012\04\10@213409 by RussellMc

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> Hmm I pondered your reply a little more.. and I think you were along the
> lines of a rhyming word??

That got me into an internet search.
I'd never heard it as a standard phrase, but it seems to be widely
used as a canned phrase to mean exactly what it appears to mean
eg That was a very fortunate escape etc
One Spanish speaker gave the English interpretation of "by a frog's hair".

It may have alternate renderings in the hands of lesser denizens, but
none such became apparent in my admittedly non-exhaustive search.

______________

That said, the response makes no sense to me:

3 axis accelerometer
pressure sensor
time
RF link
display
low power
programmable.
....
< $25
free shipping.


???

  Russell



    Russel

2012\04\11@040225 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Apr 10, 2012, at 9:45 AM, RussellMc wrote:

> My local chemist shop would only sell me 50cc [of IPA] at a time at a truly horrendous price. I had to sigh a register.

Once had a woman claiming to be a lab tech in front of me in line at the local (big chain) supermarket buying several bottles of 99% IPA.  She said it was for the lab, and MUCH cheaper than buying it through the usual lab suppliers (plus, no hazmat shipping charges.  Plus (apparently) no restriction on concentration (Ca has some sort of "can't be used unless diluted to at least 90% rule.  Or something.))

IPA is the usual reason why the Tech bench of electronics companies ends up with a hazmat locker and disposal issues.  Flammable liquid, you know.  Probably "known to the state of California to be suspected of maybe being related to something that might cause cancer.

BillW

2012\04\11@232550 by RussellMc

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> > My local chemist shop would only sell me 50cc [of IPA] at a time at a
> > truly horrendous price. I had to sign a register.

> Once had a woman claiming to be a lab tech in front of me in line at the
> local (big chain) supermarket buying several bottles of 99% IPA.  She said
> it was for the lab, and MUCH cheaper than buying it through the usual lab
> suppliers

Local Sony repair agents say Chemist shop (pharmacy) IPA probably OK
for camera sensor cleaning but that bulk supermarket stuff is suspect.

I intend to try distilling some of the bulk IPA I bought to see if
there is any discernible difference. Vacuum distillation may be wiser,
but distillation at atmospheric safe enough if sensible - and far
enough away when it blows :-).



              Russell McMahon

2012\04\11@234210 by John Gardner

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....I intend to try distilling some... bulk IPA...

You folks don't have revenooers, I take it

2012\04\11@235537 by RussellMc

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> ...I intend to try distilling some... bulk IPA...

> You folks don't have revenooers, I take it.

Not Ethyl, Jim.

For drinkers of IPA we have hospitals.
Actually, I don't know what effect IPA has when ingested*.

The IPA concerned is already notionally 99%+ and has no emetics or
similar added, so distillation is unlikely to improve its
comestibility.



         Russell McMahon


Hmmm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol

Isopropyl alcohol and its metabolite, acetone, act as central nervous
system (CNS) depressants. Symptoms of isopropyl alcohol poisoning
include flushing, headache, dizziness, CNS depression, nausea,
vomiting, anesthesia, and coma. Poisoning can occur from ingestion,
inhalation, or absorption; therefore, well-ventilated areas and
protective gloves are recommended. Around 15 g of isopropyl alcohol
can have a toxic effect on a 70 kg human if left untreated.[14]
However, it is not nearly as toxic as methanol or ethylene glycol.
Isopropyl alcohol does not cause an anion gap acidosis (in which as
lowered blood serum pH causes depletion of bicarbonate anion) unlike
ethanol and methanol. Isopropyl alcohol does however, produce an
osmolal gap between the calculated and measured osmolalities of serum,
as do the other alcohols. Overdoses may cause a fruity odor on the
breath as a result of its metabolism to acetone, which is further
metabolized to produce the nutrients acetate and glucose.[15]
Isopropyl alcohol is oxidized to form acetone by alcohol dehydrogenase
in the liver.

but

Isopropyl alcohol dissolves a wide range of non-polar compounds. It
also evaporates quickly and is relatively non-toxic, compared to
alternative solvents. Thus it is used widely as a solvent and as a
cleaning fluid, especially for dissolving oil

2012\04\12@001514 by John Gardner

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Yeah, I know. Do <they> know..

2012\04\12@225534 by Tamas Rudnai

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On 10 April 2012 10:55, Jim <jimfEraseMEspam.....webstudios.co.uk> wrote:

> ah the ol' munitions question.
>
> I put "R&D"  and had a follow up email asking what specifically.
>
> "R&D for a personal fitness and training evaluation system"
>
> Well, I couldn't exactly say "$25 of fun for a geek" could I?
>


What happens if you just reply "Non of your business" or more politely "Non
disclosed R&D projects"?

Tama

2012\04\12@232102 by Roger, in Bangkok

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My bet is "toy for my grandchildren" would more than adequately suit the
need:-)

RiB

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2012\04\13@000239 by Peter Johansson

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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Tamas Rudnai <RemoveMEtamas.rudnaispam_OUTspamKILLspamgmail.com> wrote:

> What happens if you just reply "Non of your business" or more politely "Non
> disclosed R&D projects"?

Interestingly enough they have no problem with "rocket avionics" for US orders.

-p

2012\04\13@023430 by Jim

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       I'm guessing they won't sell it to me :/
       I wonder what they would do if I asked for a nda to be signed before
I told them :)
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 On 10 April 2012 10:55, Jim  wrote:
> ah the ol' munitions question.
>
> I put "R&D" and had a follow up email asking what specifically.
>
> "R&D for a personal fitness and training evaluation system"
>
> Well, I couldn't exactly say "$25 of fun for a geek" could I?
>
What happens if you just reply "Non of your business" or more
politely "Non
disclosed R&D projects"?
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2012\04\13@032315 by Tamas Rudnai

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On 13 April 2012 07:34, Jim <RemoveMEjimfKILLspamspamwebstudios.co.uk> wrote:

>        I'm guessing they won't sell it to me :/
>
>        I wonder what they would do if I asked for a nda to be signed before
> I told them :)
>

It is not just NDA but why do they ask in the first place? And why would
not they sell it to you if you deny to answer? Can they refuse to sell
actually (according to trading law or to the discrimination act)?

It never happened to me that I bought potato and the shop asked me what
kind of food I am making from it, and even if they do that they cannot say
they are not selling the potatoes only if I tell this info to them :-)

Tamas




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2012\04\13@041019 by Jim

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       But a potatoe isn't a controlled item.
       (unless you build a spud gun i suppose)  BODY { font-family:Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }  On Fri 13/04/12 8:23 AM , Tamas Rudnai KILLspamtamas.rudnaispamBeGonespamgmail.com sent:
 On 13 April 2012 07:34, Jim  wrote:
> I'm guessing they won't sell it to me :/
>
> I wonder what they would do if I asked for a nda to be signed
before
> I told them :)
>
It is not just NDA but why do they ask in the first place? And why
would
not they sell it to you if you deny to answer? Can they refuse to
sell
actually (according to trading law or to the discrimination act)?
It never happened to me that I bought potato and the shop asked me
what
kind of food I am making from it, and even if they do that they
cannot say
they are not selling the potatoes only if I tell this info to them
:-)
Tamas
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> On 10 April 2012 10:55, Jim wrote:
> > ah the ol' munitions question.
> >
> > I put "R&D" and had a follow up email asking what specifically.
> >
> > "R&D for a personal fitness and training evaluation system"
> >
> > Well, I couldn't exactly say "$25 of fun for a geek" could I?
> >
> What happens if you just reply "Non of your business" or more
> politely "Non
> disclosed R&D projects"?
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On 13 April 2012 09:10, Jim <TakeThisOuTjimfKILLspamspamspamwebstudios.co.uk> wrote:

>        But a potatoe isn't a controlled item.
>

Are electronics and computers controlled? Why? Do they really think if
someone is building a rocket launcher from a programmable watch that they
will claim it? Hmm, now that I am thinking about it, it reminds me to the
fact that once they asked me at the border if I am a terrorist -- what a
stupid question :-)

(Before you ask, that was in Dover, UK, sailing to Calais, years before the
911)

Tamas



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2012\04\13@045402 by alan.b.pearce

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> Are electronics and computers controlled? Why? Do they really think if someone is
> building a rocket launcher from a programmable watch that they will claim it? Hmm,
> now that I am thinking about it, it reminds me to the fact that once they asked me
> at the border if I am a terrorist -- what a stupid question :-)
>
> (Before you ask, that was in Dover, UK, sailing to Calais, years before the
> 911)

Ah, yes, but you reside in the land of the then terrorist that operated on the English land ... i.e. Ireland.  ;)))
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2012\04\13@050748 by Jim

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       I suppose the question you should ask yourself is "do you look like
a terrorist?"
       I know, it's crazy some of the rules we have, a good example is:-
       A convicted criminal, who is sentenced to more than 6 months in
prison, is not allowed
to purchase or let-off fireworks.
       (this is a current law too, not one of the silly old ones)
         BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }  On Fri 13/04/12 9:37 AM , Tamas Rudnai @spam@tamas.rudnaiRemoveMEspamEraseMEgmail.com sent:
 On 13 April 2012 09:10, Jim  wrote:
> But a potatoe isn't a controlled item.
>
Are electronics and computers controlled? Why? Do they really think
if
someone is building a rocket launcher from a programmable watch that
they
will claim it? Hmm, now that I am thinking about it, it reminds me
to the
fact that once they asked me at the border if I am a terrorist --
what a
stupid question :-)
(Before you ask, that was in Dover, UK, sailing to Calais, years
before the
911)
Tamas
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> (unless you build a spud gun i suppose) BODY { font-family:Arial,
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> On 13 April 2012 07:34, Jim wrote:
> > I'm guessing they won't sell it to me :/
> >
> > I wonder what they would do if I asked for a nda to be signed
> before
> > I told them :)
> >
> It is not just NDA but why do they ask in the first place? And why
> would
> not they sell it to you if you deny to answer? Can they refuse to
> sell
> actually (according to trading law or to the discrimination act)?
> It never happened to me that I bought potato and the shop asked me
> what
> kind of food I am making from it, and even if they do that they
> cannot say
> they are not selling the potatoes only if I tell this info to them
> :-)
> Tamas
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specifically.
> > >
> > > "R&D for a personal fitness and training evaluation system"
> > >
> > > Well, I couldn't exactly say "$25 of fun for a geek" could I?
> > >
> > What happens if you just reply "Non of your business" or more
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> > disclosed R&D projects"?
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2012\04\13@082558 by Tamas Rudnai

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On 13 April 2012 10:07, Jim <RemoveMEjimfEraseMEspamKILLspamwebstudios.co.uk> wrote:

>        I suppose the question you should ask yourself is "do you look like
> a terrorist?"
>

It depends, if they look like me, then yes <grin>

Tama

2012\04\13@082903 by Tamas Rudnai

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On 13 April 2012 09:53, <spamBeGonealan.b.pearcespam_OUTspamRemoveMEstfc.ac.uk> wrote:

> Ah, yes, but you reside in the land of the then terrorist that operated on
> the English land ... i.e. Ireland.  ;)))
>

Maybe they knew that few years later I am going to live for 4.5 years in
Dublin :-)

Tama

2012\04\13@085929 by Chris Roper

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>
> Maybe they knew that few years later I am going to live for 4.5 years in
> Dublin :-)
>
And then just as you finished your terrorist training the IRA went and
signed the cease fire :

2012\04\16@101249 by RussellMc

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The Chronos has landed!
Impressive.
Puts carefully aside 'for now' and looks at what should be being done ...


         Russel

2012\04\16@103903 by alan.b.pearce

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> The Chronos has landed!
> Impressive.
> Puts carefully aside 'for now' and looks at what should be being done ...

Shouldn't you be checking it over to see that all the ITAR licensed bits, you have had to sign your life away for, are there ... ;)))))))))
-- Scanned by iCritical.

2012\04\16@104452 by RussellMc

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> Shouldn't you be checking it over to see that all the ITAR licensed bits, you have had to sign your life away for, are there ... ;)))))))))

I gave it a brief trot around the ring. Very partial. Accelerometers
in a watch are fun. My wife was not impressed by it at all. More anon.



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