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2006\10\25@000746 by Randy Glenn

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Hi all,

Trying to find a solution to this problem, and Gargle is being of
little to no help.

I got a new notebook last week - a Lenovo - and I've noticed that the
system clock seems to stop dead whenever I put the machine to sleep or
in hibernation. Also, its system clock will lose 50 minutes randomly
while using the machine.

Has anyone had a problem like this before? Any solutions?

Thanks,
--
-Randy Glenn
Computer Eng. and Mgt. Year V, McMaster University
Regional Student Representative, IEEE Canada

randy.glenn-at-gmail.com - glennrb-at-mcmaster.ca
randy.glenn-at-computer.org - randy_glenn-at-ieee.org
http://www.randyglenn.ca

2006\10\25@010943 by Peter Gelsi

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Have seen this afew years ago, when servicing laptops.  Don't remember
the affected brand off the top of the head.  Remedy, was to replace main
board!  Not pretty!  Customers just about through them as us!

Peter

Randy Glenn wrote:

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2006\10\25@010943 by Peter Gelsi

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Have seen this afew years ago, when servicing laptops.  Don't remember
the affected brand off the top of the head.  Remedy, was to replace main
board!  Not pretty!  Customers just about through them as us!

Peter

Randy Glenn wrote:

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2006\10\25@011628 by Steve Smith

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Don't worry about the clock stopping dead worry more about the impending
laptop fire next time you enter an airport !!!!

Steve

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2006\10\25@024415 by Marcel Birthelmer

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Hi,
I used to work at a laptop shop and some of our models didn't have the
ability to recharge the BIOS backup battery. Maybe yours has a similar
problem, or the battery is just shot?
- Marcel

On 10/24/06, Steve Smith <spam_OUTxygaxTakeThisOuTspamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Don't worry about the clock stopping dead worry more about the impending
> laptop fire next time you enter an airport !!!!
>
> Steve
>
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2006\10\25@024935 by slippyr4

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Did you buy it new? If so, return it. It's not your problem.

On 25/10/06, Steve Smith <.....xygaxKILLspamspam@spam@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Don't worry about the clock stopping dead worry more about the impending
> laptop fire next time you enter an airport !!!!
>
> Steve
>
> {Original Message removed}

2006\10\25@024935 by slippyr4

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Did you buy it new? If so, return it. It's not your problem.

On 25/10/06, Steve Smith <xygaxspamKILLspamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Don't worry about the clock stopping dead worry more about the impending
> laptop fire next time you enter an airport !!!!
>
> Steve
>
> {Original Message removed}

2006\10\25@044541 by Tamas Rudnai

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I have Levono, using sleep instead of switching it off or hibernating. No
any such problem with my laptop, so you may have to send it back to your
retailer.

Tamas


On 25/10/06, slippyr4 <.....slippyr4KILLspamspam.....gmail.com> wrote:
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> Did you buy it new? If so, return it. It's not your problem.
>
> On 25/10/06, Steve Smith <EraseMExygaxspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > Don't worry about the clock stopping dead worry more about the impending
> > laptop fire next time you enter an airport !!!!
> >
> > Steve
> >
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2006\10\25@065017 by Genome

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Yeah, a complete line of Toshiba Bateries I think was forced to be recalled
a few days ago because somebody found out that its dagerous and could
explode and cause fire... Good thing they discovered it or youl be seing
lots of accident here and there...


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> Don't worry about the clock stopping dead worry more about the impending
> laptop fire next time you enter an airport !!!!
>
> Steve
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2006\10\25@071936 by Rolf

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Randy Glenn wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Trying to find a solution to this problem, and Gargle is being of
> little to no help.
>
> I got a new notebook last week - a Lenovo - and I've noticed that the
> system clock seems to stop dead whenever I put the machine to sleep or
> in hibernation. Also, its system clock will lose 50 minutes randomly
> while using the machine.
>
> Has anyone had a problem like this before? Any solutions?
>
> Thanks,
>  
I'll focus on the NTP side of things. Keeping your system clock accurate
is easy if you enable NTP as a system service. I use Win2000, but XP
should be similar.

See:
http://www.google.ca/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=NTP+XP+site%3Amicrosoft.com&btnG=Search&meta=

Accuracy of your system clock should be within milliseconds of "real" time.

Read up on NTP at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Time_Protocol

From there is a site dedicated to freely available public NTP
servers... here:
http://ntp.isc.org/

Choose your nearest one from the list of public servers (*not* Stratum1
or 2): http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/NTPPoolServers

Rolf


2006\10\25@074510 by Rolf

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I see that there are good instructions here too, for multiple OS:

http://www.pool.ntp.org/use.html

Rolf

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2006\10\25@120638 by Matt Pobursky

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Well there's nothing new about Li-Ion battery fires -- in laptops or
a variety of other devices. It's just that the recently recalled
Sony-made batteries have a manufacturing and implementation defect in
a very large batch. I recall hearing about Li-Ion battery fires back
around 1997 when they first started being widely used in laptops.

I'm always warning my clients about specifying Li-Ion batteries in
their products and the fact that they pack a LOT of energy in a small
space, plus the fact it's almost impossible to extinguish a fire
should one break out. Unless you happen to have a Class D fire
extinguisher handy:

http://www.smokesign.com/tydmefifiex.html
http://www.labsafety.com/store/Public_Safety/Fire_-_Rescue/Fire_Extinguishers/3433/

I actually have one of these in my lab, hopefully I'll never have to
use it. I also keep a metal 5 gal. bucket half filled with sand and a
pair of heavy leather gloves to transport a burning pack out of my
lab should one ignite during testing.

Matt Pobursky
Maximum Performance Systems

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:53:53 +0800, Genome wrote:
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2006\10\25@123028 by Tony Smith

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> > system clock seems to stop dead whenever I put the machine
> to sleep or
> > in hibernation. Also, its system clock will lose 50 minutes
> randomly
> > while using the machine.
> >
> > Has anyone had a problem like this before? Any solutions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >  
> I'll focus on the NTP side of things. Keeping your system
> clock accurate is easy if you enable NTP as a system service.
> I use Win2000, but XP should be similar.


XP only syncs once a day, not sure if you can change that.  There are plenty
of little apps out there that do this.  

The default server is time.windows.com, I wonder how may hits a day that
gets.

Doesn't really solve you problem I know...

Tony

2006\10\25@144901 by Randy Glenn

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An update, for those who are interested:

It seems that Ubuntu Linux - which I ran from a CD - has a problem
with certain Dell laptops wherein something is written to the RTC that
stops it from being a clock anymore. I'm thinking I've got the same
issue.

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=149565

The new problem becomes resetting the BIOS on this notebook - it has
no visible backup battery, and leaving it unplugged and without main
battery for ~8h did nothing.

So at last a reason. Now all I need is a solution.

-Randy

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2006\10\25@150916 by David VanHorn

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> I actually have one of these in my lab, hopefully I'll never have to
> use it. I also keep a metal 5 gal. bucket half filled with sand and a
> pair of heavy leather gloves to transport a burning pack out of my
> lab should one ignite during testing.


Yup, hard to beat the old bucket of sand. :)

I have some ammo cans that I've adapted for experimental charging systems,
with connectors for sensors and charge/discharge current. Cheap, and
effective. They may vent, but they will keep all the hot frags in one place.


I also did a lexan enclosure for larger systems that I needed to observe
while running. It isn't fireproof, but it does keep things contained for a
while till I can get a handle on things.

2006\10\25@161224 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Randy Glenn wrote:

> It seems that Ubuntu Linux - which I ran from a CD - has a problem
> with certain Dell laptops wherein something is written to the RTC that
> stops it from being a clock anymore. I'm thinking I've got the same
> issue.
>
> www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=149565
>
> The new problem becomes resetting the BIOS on this notebook - it has
> no visible backup battery, and leaving it unplugged and without main
> battery for ~8h did nothing.
>
> So at last a reason. Now all I need is a solution.

Have you consulted Dell documentation and/or support?

Gerhard

2006\10\25@173213 by Randy Glenn

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Mine's actually a Lenovo, and their documentation only mentions
recharging the backup battery. It seems I got the only model they
offer that doesn't use a coin cell for BIOS backup.

Contacting support is next up after a midterm or two.

On 10/25/06, Gerhard Fiedler <KILLspamlistsKILLspamspamconnectionbrazil.com> wrote:
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2006\10\26@064235 by Ricardo Moreira

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I use "Dimension 4". You can find it at http://www.thinkman.com



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