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2004\02\17@053139 by hael Rigby-Jones

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>Subject: Re: ] Static and petrol vapours
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>> In the UK, you can't "latch" a pump on. You have to stand holding the
>handle
>> and squeezing the lever for the entire duration of the fill.
>
>I noticed when I visited recently.
>Very annoying.
>The UK mechanisms appear videntical to many we have here
>except for the lack of a small pin that the handle sharks
>tooth latch latches onto. I meant to try a small pin in one
>just  to see if it worked but I never remembered to acquire a
>pin to use at filling time. (Engineers will be the death of us all).


So, when you use these pumps that latch "on", how do you stop the flow
manualy, if e.g. you only wish to put X amount of fuel in?

Regards

Mike




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2004\02\17@053139 by hael Rigby-Jones

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>> In the UK, you can't "latch" a pump on. You have to stand holding the
>handle
>> and squeezing the lever for the entire duration of the fill.
>
>I noticed when I visited recently.
>Very annoying.
>The UK mechanisms appear videntical to many we have here
>except for the lack of a small pin that the handle sharks
>tooth latch latches onto. I meant to try a small pin in one
>just  to see if it worked but I never remembered to acquire a
>pin to use at filling time. (Engineers will be the death of us all).


So, when you use these pumps that latch "on", how do you stop the flow
manualy, if e.g. you only wish to put X amount of fuel in?

Regards

Mike




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2004\02\17@065803 by Russell McMahon

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> So, when you use these pumps that latch "on", how do you stop the flow
> manualy, if e.g. you only wish to put X amount of fuel in?

You blip the lever and it trips off - becomes very intuitive after a few
hundred fills :-).
There are two  (three?) speeds you can latch at. With tanks with narrow fill
tubes the flow backs up somewhat at the top and a fast rate may trip the
automatic prefill - in this case you can fill at a lower speed. All very
mechanical and works superbly.

   RM

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2004\02\17@065803 by Russell McMahon

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> So, when you use these pumps that latch "on", how do you stop the flow
> manualy, if e.g. you only wish to put X amount of fuel in?

You blip the lever and it trips off - becomes very intuitive after a few
hundred fills :-).
There are two  (three?) speeds you can latch at. With tanks with narrow fill
tubes the flow backs up somewhat at the top and a fast rate may trip the
automatic prefill - in this case you can fill at a lower speed. All very
mechanical and works superbly.

   RM

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2004\02\17@075645 by Jonathan Johnson
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The latches have been outlawed here in OZ for quite a number of years now
( I don't think I have seen one in about 10 years now), we have to hold the
lever in or, as much as I disagree with the safety aspect, I have seen a
small piece of perspex cut to just the right size to jam it in the open
position.


JJ
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2004\02\17@075645 by Jonathan Johnson

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The latches have been outlawed here in OZ for quite a number of years now
( I don't think I have seen one in about 10 years now), we have to hold the
lever in or, as much as I disagree with the safety aspect, I have seen a
small piece of perspex cut to just the right size to jam it in the open
position.


JJ
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2004\02\17@081343 by Ian McLean

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10 years sounds about right.  Except, I believe on most if not all diesel
pumps.  Whilst I also somewhat disagree on the safety aspect, I suppose the
laws reasoning for this is  a) diesel's lower volatility, and b) drivers of
large trucks would be holding the levers for rather long periods of time.

Rgs
Ian

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2004\02\17@081343 by Ian McLean

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10 years sounds about right.  Except, I believe on most if not all diesel
pumps.  Whilst I also somewhat disagree on the safety aspect, I suppose the
laws reasoning for this is  a) diesel's lower volatility, and b) drivers of
large trucks would be holding the levers for rather long periods of time.

Rgs
Ian

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2004\02\17@082216 by Andre Miller

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Over here in South Africa, some of the new pumps have an option, you can
enter how many litres you want to stop at, or the amount of Rand (money) you
want to stop at.

They latch, and stop at the preset value, or when it detects the tank is
full.

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André Miller        


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2004\02\17@082216 by Andre Miller

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Over here in South Africa, some of the new pumps have an option, you can
enter how many litres you want to stop at, or the amount of Rand (money) you
want to stop at.

They latch, and stop at the preset value, or when it detects the tank is
full.

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André Miller        


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2004\02\17@083250 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Over here in South Africa, some of the new pumps have an
>option, you can enter how many litres you want to stop at,
>or the amount of Rand (money) you want to stop at.

When electronic pumps were introduced in NZ they had had an option to stop
at a monetary value, never saw the stop at fuel volume. I was most surprised
when I moved to the Uk that the option was not available here.

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2004\02\17@083250 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Over here in South Africa, some of the new pumps have an
>option, you can enter how many litres you want to stop at,
>or the amount of Rand (money) you want to stop at.

When electronic pumps were introduced in NZ they had had an option to stop
at a monetary value, never saw the stop at fuel volume. I was most surprised
when I moved to the Uk that the option was not available here.

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2004\02\17@090905 by Roland

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Hi

In south Africa, petrol fills are always done by attendents, so if you want
a fill up, he'll (she'll) latch it on, and clean the windscreen while it
fills, then as usual, it auto clicks off when the rush sends vapour back
through that tiny hole at the top of the nozzle.

Today, however, I saw for the first time, a 'dur, why did'nt they do this
before' solution. When you want fuel, the guy asks how much, then types the
$ value into a keyboard, inserts the nozzle and presses start. It then
auto-fills to that exact value.

Regards
Roland

At 10:30 AM 17/02/04 +0000, you wrote:
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2004\02\17@090905 by Roland

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Hi

In south Africa, petrol fills are always done by attendents, so if you want
a fill up, he'll (she'll) latch it on, and clean the windscreen while it
fills, then as usual, it auto clicks off when the rush sends vapour back
through that tiny hole at the top of the nozzle.

Today, however, I saw for the first time, a 'dur, why did'nt they do this
before' solution. When you want fuel, the guy asks how much, then types the
$ value into a keyboard, inserts the nozzle and presses start. It then
auto-fills to that exact value.

Regards
Roland

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2004\02\17@091709 by Jeff LeBlanc

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They do that now on the self serve stations, you pay the attendant $20
dollars and they program it to stop when the pump hits $20 worth of gasoline

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2004\02\17@091709 by Jeff LeBlanc

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They do that now on the self serve stations, you pay the attendant $20
dollars and they program it to stop when the pump hits $20 worth of gasoline

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2004\02\17@164523 by Liam O'Hagan

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I know people who just jam the petrol filler cap in there...

I personally will never do it, I have had a pump on 3 different occasions
not shut off automatically. My car has a drain tube to remove water from the
fill area and the fuel spilled out of that and all over my feet.

It's not a car problem, as the same thing hapeened previouly but on 2
different vehicles...

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2004\02\17@173107 by Jinx

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> I filled up last night at a Mobil station (NZ). I noticed they
> have a safety notice stuck next to the pump., It is long and
> detailed. It says to turn off cellphones (I wonder how many
> people are aware that this is still in force?). It also says NOT
> to return to your car while refuelling and that if you do you
> should discharge before getting close to the pump. So it
> seems that at least one of the oil cos recognises the risk and
> has taken steps to alert public. What concerns me is if this a
> REAL risk (and the jury in fact seems to be still out) why isn't
> it more common knowledge and why arent notices displayed
> more prominently. This was a very long but missable notice
> with very small text.
>
> Years ago I recall, there only used to be one safety notice and
> it was big and un-missable. "Turn off engine" Paul G

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2004\02\17@180717 by M. Adam Davis

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The latch is simply a spring loaded hinged bar.  You squeeze the handle,
flip the bar down and it catches on one of a few teeth.  The handle
automatically shuts off if the pressure at the nozzle becomes too large
(ie, tank is full).  If you squeeze the lever a little bit while it's
latched the spring pulls the bar out of the way and the lever can be
released.

It's extremely simple.  The teeth are on a plate that some stations
remove in the summer, but they recognize that customers *will* go to
stations with latches in -10C weather rather than hold the lever the
entire time.

What I'd like to see are cars and pumps designed to fill a 12-20 gallon
tank in a minute.  Don't let go of that nozzle!  :-)

-Adam

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2004\02\17@234031 by Jake Anderson

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here service stations dont have the clip except on some of their disel pumps
now filling a 4wd with a highflow disel pump is another of those stand well
back exercises ;->

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2004\02\18@042824 by Nate Duehr

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On Feb 17, 2004, at 3:30 PM, Jinx wrote:

>> should discharge before getting close to the pump. So it
>> seems that at least one of the oil cos recognises the risk and
>> has taken steps to alert public.

You mean steps to cover their butt, don't you?  The signs are primarily
there for the oil company's lawyers, not for your safety -- your safety
is certainly a secondary by-product.

Nate Duehr, @spam@nateKILLspamspamnatetech.com

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2004\02\18@050220 by Lee Jones

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>>> So, when you use these pumps that latch "on"

> The latches have been outlawed here in OZ for quite a number of years
> now ( I don't think I have seen one in about 10 years now), we have
> to hold the lever in or, as much as I disagree with the safety aspect,
> I have seen a small piece of perspex cut to just the right size to
> jam it in the open position.

For a while, some stations here in the western US didn't have
the latch mechanism on the pump nozzle.  After a while, sanity
prevailed and the latches returned.

Anyway, if the pump handle doesn't have a latch mechanism, the
vehicle's gas cap can frequently be used, in one orientation or
another, to hold the handle in the "latched on" position (and
the automatic flow shut-off still works just fine).  Whish is
even simpler than carrying around a pre-cut piece of anything. :-)

                                               Lee Jones

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2004\02\18@052535 by hael Rigby-Jones

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I have to admitt that I really can't see why the latch is required, is it
really that much of a hardship to hold the trigger in for the few minutes it
takes to fill a tank?  Or am I missing something else that's different
outside that UK?

Mike




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2004\02\18@055103 by Jake Anderson

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yah americans are lazy ;->
/me dons kevlar outterware over his nomex undies

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I have to admitt that I really can't see why the latch is required, is it
really that much of a hardship to hold the trigger in for the few minutes it
takes to fill a tank?  Or am I missing something else that's different
outside that UK?

Mike




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2004\02\18@062427 by Russell McMahon

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> I have to admitt that I really can't see why the latch is required,

Try it. You'll like it.

> is it really that much of a hardship to hold the trigger in for the few
minutes it
> takes to fill a tank?

Yes :-)
I HATED doing it in the UK. There was such a mental groove in my brain from
using the latches that I noticed their absence every time I filled up in the
UK and was annoyed. I may also have been annoyed by the fact that petrol
cost more than twice as much as it does in NZ. Presently here it's about the
equivalent of 0.35 GBP per litre. What's it cost in the UK now?

> Or am I missing something else that's different
> outside that UK?

No. Just that once you are provided with a new convenience, losing it
becomes very noticeable. The more so if your brain tells you that it's a
stupidity - even if it isn't :-)



       RM

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2004\02\18@063915 by Alan B. Pearce

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>> is it really that much of a hardship to hold the trigger
>>in for the few minutes it takes to fill a tank?
>
>Yes :-)

Agreed, especially in UK winter weather. generally blowing rain at about 45
degrees from vertical across the forecourt ...

>I HATED doing it in the UK. There was such a mental groove
>in my brain from using the latches that I noticed their
>absence every time I filled up in the UK and was annoyed.

Me too, and I still miss it, now coming up to 7 years after moving from NZ.

> I may also have been annoyed by the fact that petrol cost
>more than twice as much as it does in NZ. Presently here
>it's about the equivalent of 0.35 GBP per litre. What's it
>cost in the UK now?

Unleaded is about 77p here in Oxfordshire, but it is possible to get it down
to the low 70's in other areas. Diesel is about 78 to 79p here, again down
to about 74/75p in other places.

At the current exchange rate of US$1.81 = GBP1, that is US$1.39/litre for
unleaded - not sure what the litre to US gallon conversion is, and
US$1.43/litre for diesel.

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2004\02\18@064505 by hael Rigby-Jones

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I don't think I'd feel comfortable if I wasn't in control of fuel delivery,
but as you say, it's a question of what you are used to!  Fuel is currently
at around 0.72GBP ber liter of 95RON unleaded.  I run an import that
requires the higher octane super unleaded at around 0.82GBP per litre.

There are also rumours that the government is considering dropping our
annual "road tax" of between 80-160GBP (exact price depends on engine
capacity or CO2 emmisions depending on age of car) and will instead add even
more tax to fuel.  Figures of around 1.00GBP per litre are being suggested,
which would mean a massive increase in tax for anyone doing the average
10,000 mile per year in an average car doing say, 35MPG.  Another golden
opportunity for the governement to shaft the car driver...

Regards

Mike




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2004\02\18@070542 by Hulatt, Jon

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> From: Michael Rigby-Jones [RemoveMEMichael.Rigby-JonesKILLspamspamBOOKHAM.COM]
>I run an import that requires the higher
> octane super unleaded at around 0.82GBP per litre.
>


What car do you drive Michael?? I have to use super too.



For the lazy, the 81.9 pence/litre I have to pay converts to US$5.94 per
(US) gallon (which is 3.8 litres).

Additionally, my car does about 18 mpg (imperial gallon) on a good day with
the wind behind it, which equates to a cost of US$0.39 per mile. ouch!

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2004\02\18@080055 by Russell McMahon

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> > I may also have been annoyed by the fact that petrol cost
> >more than twice as much as it does in NZ. Presently here
> >it's about the equivalent of 0.35 GBP per litre. What's it
> >cost in the UK now?
>
> Unleaded is about 77p here in Oxfordshire, but it is possible to get it
down
> to the low 70's in other areas. Diesel is about 78 to 79p here, again down
> to about 74/75p in other places.
>
> At the current exchange rate of US$1.81 = GBP1, that is US$1.39/litre for
> unleaded - not sure what the litre to US gallon conversion is, and
> US$1.43/litre for diesel.


Here diesel is significantly cheaper than petrol  - about 65%
In the UK it's slightly dearer.
We do have distance tax on diesel vehicles but it doesn't anywhere make up
the difference.

   RM

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2004\02\18@080923 by hael Rigby-Jones

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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Rigby-Jones [KILLspamMichael.Rigby-JonesspamBeGonespamBOOKHAM.COM]
>>I run an import that requires the higher
>> octane super unleaded at around 0.82GBP per litre.
>>
>
>
>What car do you drive Michael?? I have to use super too.
>
Jap spec MR2 Turbo.  It's allegedly mapped for the Japanese 100RON Super,
but seems to work OK on the 97/98RON Super.

>
>
>For the lazy, the 81.9 pence/litre I have to pay converts to
>US$5.94 per
>(US) gallon (which is 3.8 litres).
>
>Additionally, my car does about 18 mpg (imperial gallon) on a
>good day with the wind behind it, which equates to a cost of
>US$0.39 per mile. ouch!

Ouch indeed.




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