I've received unsolicited email from Telesystems on two email accounts,
and I can only trace it back to the PICLIST.
Hase anyone else on this list received the email from Telesystems,
subject "Information Letter"? Actually, I would be more interested in
knowing if any one person on this list HASN'T received it (that doesn't
munge their email address)... That would indicate that they didn't mine
the piclist for email addresses.
I hold to a strict antispam policy of not supporting companies or people
who spam, and they appear to offer some decent products, so I am trying
to find out the source before I get on their (and their ISP's/hosting
service's) case.
>I've received unsolicited email from Telesystems on two email accounts,
>and I can only trace it back to the PICLIST.
>
>Hase anyone else on this list received the email from Telesystems,
>subject "Information Letter"? Actually, I would be more interested in
>knowing if any one person on this list HASN'T received it (that doesn't
>munge their email address)... That would indicate that they didn't mine
>the piclist for email addresses.
>
>I hold to a strict antispam policy of not supporting companies or people
>who spam, and they appear to offer some decent products, so I am trying
>to find out the source before I get on their (and their ISP's/hosting
>service's) case.
>
>-Adam
> I've received unsolicited email from Telesystems on two email accounts,
> and I can only trace it back to the PICLIST.
>
> Hase anyone else on this list received the email from Telesystems,
> subject "Information Letter"? Actually, I would be more interested in
> knowing if any one person on this list HASN'T received it (that doesn't
> munge their email address)... That would indicate that they didn't mine
> the piclist for email addresses.
>
> I hold to a strict antispam policy of not supporting companies or people
> who spam, and they appear to offer some decent products, so I am trying
> to find out the source before I get on their (and their ISP's/hosting
> service's) case.
>
> -Adam
"M. Adam Davis" wrote:
>
> I've received unsolicited email from Telesystems on two email accounts,
> and I can only trace it back to the PICLIST.
>
> Hase anyone else on this list received the email from Telesystems,
> subject "Information Letter"?
Sure I know I am one of the sometimes "accused", and I don't mind an
occasional "On Topic" unsolicited email even from a competitor, as it
may be very informative, but when you get 6 unsolicited emails in one
day from Telesystems, then you are forced to write to them and give them
a piece of your mind. This was 2, or maybe 3 months ago. Of course, I do
run many email addresses, so I am open to this sort of activity. I
demanded that I be removed from the unsolicited email listing.
I have never sent unsolicited email to a private account. It states
clearly in my business rules book that it is prohibited.
We even have exchange links in place, so I don't want to destroy
something that may be beneficial to both of us, and it's a company that
seems to have reasonable products available.
I have done a cc of this message to them, as I too received more
unsolicited email from them yesterday.
Perhaps it will make them think before sending mail to the PIClisters in
future, before the PIClisters pull their plug.
I saw one in my inbox yesterday and didn't even open it.
I just dragged it straight to the trash! I would suspect
that it is linked to the PICLIst somehow.
Dan
On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:33:53 -0500, M. Adam Davis wrote:
>I've received unsolicited email from Telesystems on two email accounts,
>and I can only trace it back to the PICLIST.
>
>Hase anyone else on this list received the email from Telesystems,
>subject "Information Letter"? Actually, I would be more interested in
>knowing if any one person on this list HASN'T received it (that doesn't
>munge their email address)... That would indicate that they didn't mine
>the piclist for email addresses.
>
>I hold to a strict antispam policy of not supporting companies or people
>who spam, and they appear to offer some decent products, so I am trying
>to find out the source before I get on their (and their ISP's/hosting
>service's) case.
>
>-Adam
>
Yes, I received it. The reply address is valid; I asked them whether
their product supported Linux. The answer was No. That's a good
enough reason for me to drop them. ;-)
Received, LARTed, I haven't heard back from their ISP but I imagine the
fur's flying over there.
It's a problem with having the Archives publicly accessible; address
mining the PICList isn't hard to do from an open archive, of all members
who've posted publicly.
OTOH, if they're SMART, they'll stop this behavior.
And I suspect many people on the list here have taken the "Boulder
Pledge", whether in exact detail or in their own way, i.e. chosen to
Never Buy From Spammers. Pretty dumb and costly behavior, Spamming...
I'd rather see one post, on the list, say monthly or so (see James' post
on this topic, of course!), then off-list SPAM. The first, within
reason, isn't something I object to; Harvesting my address and
e-mailing me OFF list, though, is something I'll complain to peoples'
ISP about (aka "LART"ing them.) I don't count my "Kills", I imagine
it's "many" though, by now (some in conjunction with other
anti-SPAMmers.)
>
> I've received unsolicited email from Telesystems on two email accounts,
> and I can only trace it back to the PICLIST.
>
> Hase anyone else on this list received the email from Telesystems,
> subject "Information Letter"? Actually, I would be more interested in
> knowing if any one person on this list HASN'T received it (that doesn't
> munge their email address)... That would indicate that they didn't mine
> the piclist for email addresses.
>
> I hold to a strict antispam policy of not supporting companies or people
> who spam, and they appear to offer some decent products, so I am trying
> to find out the source before I get on their (and their ISP's/hosting
> service's) case.
>
> -Adam
--
I re-ship for small US & overseas businesses, world-wide.
(For private individuals at cost; ask.)
I saw one in my inbox yesterday and didn't even open it.
I just dragged it straight to the trash! I would suspect
that it is linked to the PICLIst somehow.
Dan
On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:33:53 -0500, M. Adam Davis wrote:
>I've received unsolicited email from Telesystems on two email accounts,
>and I can only trace it back to the PICLIST.
>
>Hase anyone else on this list received the email from Telesystems,
>subject "Information Letter"? Actually, I would be more interested in
>knowing if any one person on this list HASN'T received it (that doesn't
>munge their email address)... That would indicate that they didn't mine
>the piclist for email addresses.
>
>I hold to a strict antispam policy of not supporting companies or people
>who spam, and they appear to offer some decent products, so I am trying
>to find out the source before I get on their (and their ISP's/hosting
>service's) case.
>
>-Adam
>
i guess i should count myself lucky then. I havent received one yet. Then
again if theyre in my Junkmail posters list i wouldnt even have seen the
message come in. It goes straight to file 13.
John
> I received it with FROM and TO "telesystems" at "@spam@tsKILLspamaha.ru".
> > subject "Information Letter"? Actually, I would be more interested in
> > knowing if any one person on this list HASN'T received it (that doesn't
> > munge their email address)... That would indicate that they didn't mine
> > the piclist for email addresses.
I haven't seen Telesystems SPAM but if they'd followed americafind's
lead and stuck this at the bottom of their SPAM we'd all be fluffy-bunny
happy wouldn't we ? See, it's not SPAM because the US Government
says it's not. Shame I'm not in the US.
It's a clip from something a friend of mine passed on to me as an
example of what's clogging his mailbox every day. I don't think they
take any notice of unsubscribe either. I asked a question at Snap.com's
Ask The Expert two months ago. I never got an answer but plenty of
lovely junk-mail, despite unsubscibing every time. G-D cheek.
Jinx
>
>*****************************************************
>Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th U.S. Congress
>this letter cannot be considered "spam" as long as we include:
>Contact information See above. The way to be removed from future
>mailings. To be removed from this list, please mail to:
>KILLspamamericafind2000KILLspamyahoo.com with 'remove' in subject line and you will
>be removed from our list.
That's a brilliant bit of text. There ISP can respond that the messages are
not SPAM if I complain, and if I respond to be removed from their list, they
have a confirmed email address that they can sell to someone else if they
actually choose to remove me from their list at all.
The only fix for this s**t is some serious vigilante hacker group that wants
to make itself famous by turning the SPAMers systems and the systems of
their ISPs into messy playgrounds.
"CyberSell systems was the victim, today, of a crippling attach by hackers
calling itself "Saviors of the Internet." The company says the hackers have
caused the loss of millions of potential customers records. CyberSell
Systems specializes in the distribution of sales messages via email, called
SPAM by many internet users."
<G> It's a bit of Lying text, though. See, if a SPAMmer can get you to
stop before you LART, they don't get thrown off their ISP, and they
don't have to steal more credit card numbers to get another account...
Learn how to read headers, folks; Then when you get a piece of SPAM,
you can complain to, not the SPAMmer, but their Service Provider, and
their Service Provider's Service Provider (Their "Upstreams"). You
don't get verified on the SPAMmers' mailing list - and they lose their
connectivity, usually. And they stop sending you 5 SPAMs a day, for a
while.
Probably Telesystems just had some SPAMmer sell them a "targeted mailing
list", that happens; I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt. Opt-IN is
the only way to go, though, as it makes the recipient totally empowered
(if they CHOOSE to be!) - anyone on this list can unsub whenever they
want to. (If they choose not to be empowered, WHIMPER, though! <G>)
I've seen the "But - But - I paid good money for this mailing list, I
don't want to throw it away!" dilemma before; Same thing any of us
would feel if we'd accepted counterfeit money, of course - we've already
lost, just not had the effects of the loss hit quite yet. It's far
easier to just go all opt-in. (Unless you're me, and the result of
championing opt-in is that Jory "elects" you to Admin status <G> Then
it's good, but, not so easy <G>)
I've taught some anti-spammers here in the US how to legally get a
SPAMmers' systems seized by the county sheriff, which you can do under
the right circumstances; That slows 'em down for a while...
>
> That's a brilliant bit of text. There ISP can respond that the messages are
> not SPAM if I complain, and if I respond to be removed from their list, they
> have a confirmed email address that they can sell to someone else if they
> actually choose to remove me from their list at all.
>
> The only fix for this s**t is some serious vigilante hacker group that wants
> to make itself famous by turning the SPAMers systems and the systems of
> their ISPs into messy playgrounds.
>
> "CyberSell systems was the victim, today, of a crippling attach by hackers
> calling itself "Saviors of the Internet." The company says the hackers have
> caused the loss of millions of potential customers records. CyberSell
> Systems specializes in the distribution of sales messages via email, called
> SPAM by many internet users."
>
> Ahhh! That would do my heart good!
>
> James Newton (PICList Admin #3)
> spamBeGonejamesnewtonspamBeGonepiclist.com 1-619-652-0593
> PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com
>
All the reactions to the alledged SPAM by Telesystems - which I as a
PIC-lister did NOT receive - has taken up more bandwith than the PIC related
message that some of the subscribers received...... Poor people in Ghana....
ADMIN folks - enjoy your Christmas and cool your admin urges....
Henk - VK2GWK
Its all been marked [OT]. If you don't want it, filter it out.
I want to know more about headers, LART and ISPs. Would the process of
finding the SPAMers ISP be something that could be automated? Can I drag
SPAM to a "LART" folder and then write a daemon that will automatically find
and email the ISP with a complaint? How about a TakeThisOuTkillEraseMEspam_OUTspam.com server that
anyone can forward SPAM to and that looks at the number of emails that
originated at each address to verify that its actually SPAM and then reports
this to the ISP? Are ISPs actually responsive in removing their paying
customers? Please teach.
Re: suggestions to kick Mr. Igor V. Korchoun off the list. As long as we
have some confirmation that he didn't mine the list for email addresses, and
he is interested in participating, I don't see any reason to do that. The
products are of interest. I'd like to know what method is used to connect a
PIC to the phone line in Russia. Is there an isolation transformer in there?
Re: Marks comments about SPAM: DEAD RIGHT! Damn, I'm fired up! I'll bring
the rope, you hold 'em down.... We'll cover 'em in tuna and leave 'em for
the cats!
I, too, am against SPAM and was a little upset to see the mail from
Telesystems in my inbox. I DO wonder, though, what Mark and others are
doing to make themselves SO available for spammers?!
I rarely get spam, despite being on several listservs, putting my name in
for quite a few free offers on web sites, doing some e-commerce, etc. I am
not a really high volume user, but I get about 1 spam message per month, if
that!
I am just curious what I am doing that is different from those who can't
avoid drowning in spam <G>?!
At 01:03 PM 12/22/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>I, too, am against SPAM and was a little upset to see the mail from
>Telesystems in my inbox. I DO wonder, though, what Mark and others are
>doing to make themselves SO available for spammers?!
Perhaps they are subscribed to this list, and anybody who posts to it gets
added to their list of "live" addresses.
You're just plain LUCKY, Sean; You're at an .EDU address. Most
SPAMmers drop .GOV and .EDU addresses off their list, lest the
"Federales" come harass them. Go get a .Net or .Com e-mail address, do
the same stuff from there, and see how you fare in a couple months'
time. "It won't be pretty!"
Hmmm, should I set up a mail.piclist.edu mail server, anyone? <VBG>
>
> I, too, am against SPAM and was a little upset to see the mail from
> Telesystems in my inbox. I DO wonder, though, what Mark and others are
> doing to make themselves SO available for spammers?!
>
> I rarely get spam, despite being on several listservs, putting my name in
> for quite a few free offers on web sites, doing some e-commerce, etc. I am
> not a really high volume user, but I get about 1 spam message per month, if
> that!
>
> I am just curious what I am doing that is different from those who can't
> avoid drowning in spam <G>?!
>
> Sean
>
> |
> | Sean Breheny
> | Amateur Radio Callsign: KA3YXM
> | Electrical Engineering Student
> \--------------=----------------
> Save lives, please look at http://www.all.org
> Personal page: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/shb7
> RemoveMEshb7spam_OUTKILLspamcornell.edu ICQ #: 3329174
> __________________________________________
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> Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at
> http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
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I re-ship for small US & overseas businesses, world-wide.
(For private individuals at cost; ask.)
While it can be automated, it's sort of like programming a PIC; It's
easier to just learn to do it manually, using http://samspade.com/ etc.
to hunt down the needed information. He has a Win95 desktop version
there. The people who send SPAM make a point of trying to mislead any
automated search for their ISP etc., quite often. I don't know of any
spam handling system offhand, talk to CAUCE though - they'd know. That
or FREE or one of the other anti-SPAM groups. Juno had an e-mail
address semi-like that, you'd forward your SPAM to it & a volunteer
would track the headers down and send your LART for you; I think they
got so inundated and had so few volunteers to track SPAM manually that
they gave up. I think the best bet is to teach everyone on the 'Net how
to read headers for themselves; Even if you mis-read them, the ISP's
help desks will usually figure out the right details & help. (Of course
if a SPAMmer's running an ISP, they may argue with you, but that's why
you talk to their upstream.)
I can help if someone needs help, I'm slow but thorough due to workload
<G>
http://spam.abuse.net/ OTOH does have some handy automated tools for
forwarding e-mail to an ISP's "abuse desk", for example; You have to
either go to their web page and look the addresses up there, or you can
sign up (subscribe) to the setup, you then send a "LART" to
<RemoveMEspammers_isp.comTakeThisOuTspamabuse.net> and their engine handles forwarding the
LART to the correct address for you (It's supposed to "always" be the
case that EraseMEpostmasterspamspamBeGoneisp.com is "There", some ISP's use abuse@ or
abusedesk@ or SPAM@ or some other e-mail address, the abuse.net folks do
a great job of this forwarding - I love the service. I've been
subscribed there for years.)
100-second lesson; Let's say you get a SPAM off the PICList, and your
headers look like this: (Picking on James here, I figure he'll cope or
"get ahead" here <G>)
Return-path:
<RemoveMEowner-piclistKILLspammitvma.mit.edu>
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From:
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Subject:
Re: [OT] Spam from Telesystems?
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OK, since this went through the PICList's mail server, we have to skip a
lot of lines there - You do want to start at the top (most recent)
section of the headers, and read DOWN. See those lines that say,
Received:
from proxyb1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37] by
mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a)
via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:39:54 EST
in there? The mail came from an IP address of [24.25.195.37] (Don't
trust the proxyb1.san.rr.com part, it's a lie quite often, though here
it's James' address, and probably accurate.)
Jump to http://samspade.com/ and go down to the first box in "Quick
Tools", enter that 24.25.195.37 IP address there, check WhoIs, IP Block,
and TraceRoute, (yes, WhoIs probably already was checked <G>) Hit the
"Do Stuff" button, read the results; You'll now know who that IP
address belongs to, who their DNS services are provided by, and who at
least one of their upstreams is. Now, that's not THE "Spammers'" real
address, but it's someone who relayed the message on to you from the
SPAMmer. See the later lines that say,
Received:
from a ([204.210.50.240]) by proxyb1.san.rr.com
(Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223
ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with SMTP id com for
<RemoveMEPICLISTspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU>;
AHA! The "SPAMmer" relayed his e-mail off an innocent third party
enroute to you! And they lied about their machines' Net Address - see
that 'a' instead of a valid address? (Yeah, I DID say I was picking on
James! Meant it, too! <G>) Now go look up that 204.210.50.240
address, see who that belongs to. It might be the SPAMmers' actual
ISP. If so and it's a different address from the 24.25.195.37 IP
address entirely, then you want to tell that 24.25.196.37 IP address'
folks that they were used to relay the SPAM to you, and the people at
the 204.210.50.240 IP address's Abuse Desk and their upstreams, that you
received SPAM from there. In James' case I'm sure that's all valid
etc., o'course <G> I'm offline or I'd do the tracing here. Sometimes
they'll relay across several relays, quite often they'll throw in extra,
false headers lower down, you need to practice with a "Headers Guru",
same as in reading PIC code.
You want to write a nice, but very brief letter (aka a "LART"),
basically something like this is what I write:
Folks at AOL.Com: This spammer sent this UCE from your w.x.y.z IP
address, please terminate his/her account.
Folks at innocentthirdparty.com; Please close your a.b.c.d IP address
relay to 3rd party SMTP relaying, it was used to forward this UCE "SPAM"
to me. Thanks!
Folks at the WA Attorney Generals' Office: I'm a registered WA State
resident, please prosecute these folks for forging ibm.net's address,
for using a misleading subject line, and so on. The SPAMmers' address
and phone number are shown below. Thanks!
[address etc.]
--- Begin Paste ---
(Include the full headers here
--- End Paste ---
(And, I forward the whole message as an attachment, though many people
just send the headers; I figure the WA ATG office can use the full info
for prosecuting SPAMmers. If you don't send the full message, put
something like "Full Message Text available on request, snipped to save
bandwidth" in it's place, that's pretty reasonable.)
>
> Its all been marked [OT]. If you don't want it, filter it out.
>
> I want to know more about headers, LART and ISPs. Would the process of
> finding the SPAMers ISP be something that could be automated? Can I drag
> SPAM to a "LART" folder and then write a daemon that will automatically find
> and email the ISP with a complaint? How about a spamBeGonekill@spam@spam_OUTspam.com server that
> anyone can forward SPAM to and that looks at the number of emails that
> originated at each address to verify that its actually SPAM and then reports
> this to the ISP? Are ISPs actually responsive in removing their paying
> customers? Please teach.
>
> Re: suggestions to kick Mr. Igor V. Korchoun off the list. As long as we
> have some confirmation that he didn't mine the list for email addresses, and
> he is interested in participating, I don't see any reason to do that. The
> products are of interest. I'd like to know what method is used to connect a
> PIC to the phone line in Russia. Is there an isolation transformer in there?
>
> Re: Marks comments about SPAM: DEAD RIGHT! Damn, I'm fired up! I'll bring
> the rope, you hold 'em down.... We'll cover 'em in tuna and leave 'em for
> the cats!
>
> James Newton (PICList Admin #3)
> TakeThisOuTjamesnewtonspampiclist.com 1-619-652-0593
> PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com
>
> Perhaps they are subscribed to this list, and anybody who posts to it
> gets added to their list of "live" addresses.
Hey! It's Andy! Welcome back again!
(Since the list itself is concealed, and a huge majority do not
contribute, the appearances certainly are/ were that only contributors
were err, ... mailed to.)
--
Cheers,
Paul B.
>
> I, too, am against SPAM and was a little upset to see the mail from
> Telesystems in my inbox. I DO wonder, though, what Mark and others are
> doing to make themselves SO available for spammers?!
>
> I rarely get spam, despite being on several listservs, putting my name in
> for quite a few free offers on web sites, doing some e-commerce, etc. I am
> not a really high volume user, but I get about 1 spam message per month, if
> that!
>
> I am just curious what I am doing that is different from those who can't
> avoid drowning in spam <G>?!
>
> Sean
>
> |
> | Sean Breheny
> | Amateur Radio Callsign: KA3YXM
> | Electrical Engineering Student
> \--------------=----------------
> Save lives, please look at http://www.all.org
> Personal page: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/shb7
> shb7EraseMEcornell.edu ICQ #: 3329174
> __________________________________________
> NetZero - Defenders of the Free World
> Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at
> http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
> SPAMmers drop .GOV and .EDU addresses off their list, lest the
> "Federales" come harass them. Go get a .Net or .Com e-mail address, do
> the same stuff from there, and see how you fare in a couple months'
> time. "It won't be pretty!"
>
> Hmmm, should I set up a mail.piclist.edu mail server, anyone? <VBG>
>
rather you set up mail.piclist.mil
I think you will find even the ISPs won't bother you at .mil <VVBG>
Allan West wrote:
>
> From: "Mark Willis" <EraseMEmwillis@spam@FOXINTERNET.NET>
> To: <@spam@PICLISTspam_OUT.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Sent: 22 December 1999 21:20
> Subject: Re: [OT] Spam from Telesystems?
>
> > SPAMmers drop .GOV and .EDU addresses off their list, lest the
> > "Federales" come harass them. Go get a .Net or .Com e-mail address, do
> > the same stuff from there, and see how you fare in a couple months'
> > time. "It won't be pretty!"
> >
> > Hmmm, should I set up a mail.piclist.edu mail server, anyone? <VBG>
> >
> rather you set up mail.piclist.mil
> I think you will find even the ISPs won't bother you at .mil <VVBG>
True! I don't think the SPAMmers want to lose their connectivity by
having a GPS bomb blow their hardware to flinders, and them with it.
<G> Of course, I've heard of Spammers hijacking .MIL servers for use as
relays, definitely some have hijacked .gov servers, including
Congress'... Some darn nerve, there.
I don't know if InterNIC would let use the .MIL TLD (top level domain)
though. Probably not .GOV either <G> .EDU, we could possibly get.
Maybe "some day when I get super rich & buy my own country", I'll get a
.Gov or .Mil mail server for list members <G> "If you receive spam,
call our special Spammer Assassinations Line; you won't be spammed
again, we guarantee it." <EG>
Mark
--
I re-ship for small US & overseas businesses, world-wide.
(For private individuals at cost; ask.)
> Maybe "some day when I get super rich & buy my own country", I'll get a
> .Gov or .Mil mail server for list members <G> "If you receive spam,
> call our special Spammer Assassinations Line; you won't be spammed
> again, we guarantee it." <EG>
Now thats got to be a good deal,
I hope that all the Piclist members join me in
sending all our cash to Mark
aha.ru".
