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'[OT] Shipping from Europe to the USA'
2005\08\11@044002 by Andrew Warren

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I know there are a few Europeans on the lis, and a number of people
who routinely ship items between Europe and the USAt; I hope one of
you can offer some advice.

I live in the USA and just bought an item from an individual in the
Netherlands.  Now I need to have it shipped, and it's turning out to
be more difficult than I thought it would be.

The seller says that UPS and DHL are unsuitable because they don't
offer enough insurance (the item's value is slightly over $US2000).  
I don't know if that's true; I'll check tomorrow.  He's going to
investigate Federal Express's policies tomorrow, as well.

Any other ideas?  Also, do import duties or other customs fees
generally apply to this sort of person-to-person transaction?

-Andy

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2005\08\11@050015 by Ian Lesnet

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Andrew,

I live in the Netherlands. I know we have some smaller freight
shippers.  You might try TNT, they deliver most of my sample orders.  
Just last month I shipped a package from the DHL office with 1500 euros
insurance, thats nearly $2000.  It didn't seem that they had a limit,
and the cost was reasonable (1% of value, IIRC).

As for customs and duties: I'm not too sure.  Things coming into the
Netherlands seem to be randomly taxed, a package here and there - never
consistent with the actual value of items shipped.  I pay the delivery
person any taxes assessed by customs. My outgoing shipments to the US
are never taxed, but they have been mainly repairs/returns.  I would
assume that the (US) receiver pays duties at the time of delivery.

Regards,

Ian

Andrew Warren wrote:

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2005\08\11@052402 by Andrew Warren

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Ian Lesnet <piclistspamKILLspammit.edu> wrote:

> I live in the Netherlands. I know we have some smaller freight
> shippers.  You might try TNT, they deliver most of my sample orders.
> Just last month I shipped a package from the DHL office with 1500
> euros insurance, thats nearly $2000.  It didn't seem that they had a
> limit, and the cost was reasonable (1% of value, IIRC).
>
> As for customs and duties: I'm not too sure.

   Thank you very much, Ian.

   By the way, I did some more research and discovered that this
   particular item (artwork) falls under a duty-free classification, so
   at least I don't have THAT issue to worry about anymore.

   -Andy

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2005\08\11@052741 by Howard Winter

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Andrew,

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:42:58 -0700, Andrew Warren wrote:

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I can't help with that part - I use Royal Mail (from here to there) and USPS (from there to here) so I have
little experience of independant shippers.

> Any other ideas?  Also, do import duties or other customs fees
> generally apply to this sort of person-to-person transaction?

Oh yes!  Unless you are incredibly lucky you will have to pay these, plus a fee to the shipper for collecting
it from you.  This may not be trivial!  Try to find out the brokerage fee (or whatever they call it) before
you decide, because it can make a big difference.  For stuff coming this way by mail there is a value below
which there is no tax to pay (not the case here though, it's about a fiftieth of the value you're talking
about), but this doesn't apply to independant shippers, who always have to collect the tax.  

What did the seller recommend?  Have you investigated using the Dutch mail service?  It's much more common to
use the national mail services over here, rather than independant shippers.

Good luck!


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2005\08\11@053537 by Alan B. Pearce

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>As for customs and duties: I'm not too sure.  Things coming
>into the Netherlands seem to be randomly taxed, a package
>here and there - never consistent with the actual value of
>items shipped.

I don't know how vigilant the customs people are for stuff arriving in the
USA, but my experience for stuff arriving in the UK, that I have bought from
eBay, is it seems to depend a bit on how commercial the packaging looks. If
it seems to be from a commercial source it is more likely to be picked out
for assessment. If in a plain box, or a post office supplied packing then it
is less likely to be randomly sampled for assessment.

2005\08\11@055221 by Ian Lesnet

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>What did the seller recommend?  Have you investigated using the Dutch mail service?  It's much more common to
>use the national mail services over here, rather than independant shippers.
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Dutch post has a ~400 euro value limit on shipped items.  I was told
they wouldn't ship anything over that value regardless of insured amount
(eg 2000 euro item with 400 euro insurance would not be accepted).

Ian

2005\08\11@081157 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 02:26 AM 8/11/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>     Thank you very much, Ian.
>
>     By the way, I did some more research and discovered that this
>     particular item (artwork) falls under a duty-free classification, so
>     at least I don't have THAT issue to worry about anymore.
>
>     -Andy

You might still get stuck for some brokerage. Probably not much compared to
the total cost though. I would avoid UPS.

>Best regards,

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