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'[OT] Schematic, simulation & PCB devlepment tools'
1998\04\17@033510 by Ivan Cenov

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This is not PIC specific but I think someone can tell me something.

I am searching for integrated development enviroment system for
schematic capture, simulation and PCB editting.

By now I have seen old verions of MicroSim Design Center and
Protel Schematic & PCB.
Do someone knows about some else ?

Ivan Cenov
spam_OUTokto7TakeThisOuTspambotev.ttm.bg

1998\04\17@074334 by jnlrich

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Try Microcode Engineering's CircuitMaker and Traxmaker.  $550.00 US.
http://www.microcode.com


On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:31:37 +0300, you wrote:

->This is not PIC specific but I think someone can tell me something.
->
->I am searching for integrated development enviroment system for
->schematic capture, simulation and PCB editting.
->
->By now I have seen old verions of MicroSim Design Center and
->Protel Schematic & PCB.
->Do someone knows about some else ?
->
->Ivan Cenov
->.....okto7KILLspamspam@spam@botev.ttm.bg

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http://www.qni.com/~jnlrich

1998\04\17@081927 by WF AUTOMACAO

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Ivan Cenov wrote:
>
> This is not PIC specific but I think someone can tell me something.
>
> I am searching for integrated development enviroment system for
> schematic capture, simulation and PCB editting.
>
> By now I have seen old verions of MicroSim Design Center and
> Protel Schematic & PCB.
> Do someone knows about some else ?
>
> Ivan Cenov
> okto7spamKILLspambotev.ttm.bg

Orcad is very good! Has a PLD implementation better than protel!

Did you see PROTEL 98?

Miguel.

1998\04\17@105818 by Frank A. Vorstenbosch

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WF AUTOMACAO wrote:
>
> > I am searching for integrated development enviroment system for
> > schematic capture, simulation and PCB editting.
> >
> > By now I have seen old verions of MicroSim Design Center and
> > Protel Schematic & PCB.
> > Do someone knows about some else ?
>
> Orcad is very good! Has a PLD implementation better than protel!

Hmmm, I would not go so far as to call OrCAD good.  I'm using OrCAD
(Capture and Layout 7.10 Engineering Edition) and am rather displeased
with the number of crashes that I see with it.  It also has lots of
quirks that make like just more difficult.
For my FPGA stuff I use Altera MaxPlus.  Wonderful software, works very
well (although not completely bug free (haven't lost any data yet (knock
on wood))).  In comparison, the OrCAD schematic entry is very awkward.
For example, where MaxPlus allows me to double-click to enter a new
part, in OrCAD I have to go to the menu to select the kind of part that
I want.  It allows you to press P for placing a part, but there's no
shortcut for VCC and GND.  Also, in MaxPlus I just need to point the
cursor at a wire and start dragging if I want it extended, and if I want
to trim several wires at once I just drag a select box over the bits
that I want to cut off and press [Del].  In OrCAD I have to carefully
select each line segment by the end point (not in the middle!) and drag
it longer or shorter.  Adding extra connections requires pressing W or
selecting Wire from the menu.  It's a pain.  And updating parts in a
library (and getting the new outlines in the schematic) is just a single
menu entry in MaxPlus (which automagically finds all parts in any
libraries), where in OrCAD I have to select the part both in the library
and in the schematic library cache, and then select one of two menu
entries (Update Cache or Replace Cache).  And you never can delete items
from the schematic library cache -- just see those files growing and
growing.

To me, OrCAD looks just like as if they have taken a mediocre drawing
package and just added some menu entries to support electronic design.
Also, I have had to add *every* vaguely interesting component to the
libraries myself; to get full libraries OrCAD tells you to go buy them
from some design company (901 or something).

Sorry about rambling on for so long, but it has been a long day (again).

Frank (cc to OrCAD and our supplier)
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Frank A. Vorstenbosch     <UCE_ACCEPT="NONE">     Phone: 0181 - 636 3000
Electronics and Software Engineer                 Mobile: 0976 - 430 569
Eidos Technologies Ltd., Wimbledon, London        Email: .....favKILLspamspam.....eidos.co.uk

1998\04\17@124550 by J.Adams
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Ivan,

Interactive Image Technology makes ELECTRONICS WORKBENCH EDA
and ELECTRONICS WORKBENCH LAYOUT software that is cheap and
easy to use. Check out their site at:

Http://http://www.interactiv.com/

John Adams

>I am searching for integrated development enviroment system for
>schematic capture, simulation and PCB editting.
>
>By now I have seen old verions of MicroSim Design Center and
>Protel Schematic & PCB.
>Do someone knows about some else ?
>
>Ivan Cenov
>EraseMEokto7spam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTbotev.ttm.bg
>
John Adams ---------------------------- electronicsspamspam_OUTpobox.com
http://pobox.com/~electronics ----------- Check out the H.W.S
Internet Guide to Electronics book as well. Links on my site.

1998\04\17@134212 by lilel

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Ivan wrote:
> This is not PIC specific but I think someone can tell me something.
>
> I am searching for integrated development enviroment system for
> schematic capture, simulation and PCB editting.

We had a huge discussion of this about six months ago, and mentioned
virtually every package out there, with raves both positive and
negative about each one.  I'd be glad to send anyone a .zip file
containing the whole thread, privately, if you will email me.


Best Regards,

Lawrence Lile

1998\04\17@142547 by Calvin

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If you are on a low budget you can check out CircuitMaker Design Suite. It
does schematic capture, mixed signal simulation and PCB layout and
autorouter.

I only have a little bit of experience with the simulator and it seems
acceptable for the price.

You can check the demo at http://www.microcode.com

The price of the package is advertised at US$549.00. A big advantage over
Protel98's ~5,000.00.


Calvin

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1998\04\17@152845 by Harrison Cooper

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               Wow...those guys are just down the road from me.  Wonder
if I get a close proximity discount?

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                               From:  Calvin
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                               Sent:  Friday, April 17, 1998 11:25 AM
                               To:  KILLspamPICLISTKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
                               Subject:  Re: [OT] Schematic, simulation
& PCB devlepment tools

                       If you are on a low budget you can check out
CircuitMaker Design Suite. It
                       does schematic capture, mixed signal simulation
and PCB layout and
                       autorouter.

                       I only have a little bit of experience with the
simulator and it seems
                       acceptable for the price.

                       You can check the demo at
http://www.microcode.com

                       The price of the package is advertised at
US$549.00. A big advantage over
                       Protel98's ~5,000.00.


                       Calvin

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1998\04\18@111413 by Alex Torres

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> From: Frank A. Vorstenbosch <RemoveMEfavTakeThisOuTspamEIDOS.CO.UK>

> > > I am searching for integrated development enviroment system for
> > > schematic capture, simulation and PCB editting.
> > >
> > > By now I have seen old verions of MicroSim Design Center and
> > > Protel Schematic & PCB.
> > > Do someone knows about some else ?
> >
> > Orcad is very good! Has a PLD implementation better than protel!

> Hmmm, I would not go so far as to call OrCAD good.  I'm using OrCAD
> (Capture and Layout 7.10 Engineering Edition) and am rather displeased
> with the number of crashes that I see with it.  It also has lots of
> quirks that make like just more difficult.

Use dos version of OrCad 386+ !t work very fine under Win95, and for my
view it is more power then  Capture for Win.

> For my FPGA stuff I use Altera MaxPlus.

Yea, Max+ is a good, but only for  FPGA.

> I want.  It allows you to press P for placing a part, but there's no
> shortcut for VCC and GND.

DOS version make it possible, and many others.
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Alex Torres, Kharkov, Ukraine (exUSSR)
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http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/6311

1998\04\18@171533 by Bill Kennedy

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Try http://www.microcode.com for free demos for both.
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From: Ivan Cenov <TakeThisOuTokto7EraseMEspamspam_OUTBOTEV.TTM.BG>
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Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 3:34 AM
Subject: [OT] Schematic, simulation & PCB devlepment tools


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