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2000\04\04@003116 by Peter Crowcroft

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I need an RF person to help me with some projects. Some new bugs using
about-to-be-released chips and a PLL trainer kit. Please contact me
off-list if you have interest.

Thank you,


regards,

Peter Crowcroft
                   DIY Electronics (HK) Ltd
               PO Box 88458, Sham Shui Po, Hong Kong
Voice: 852-2720 0255   Fax: 852-2725 0610    Web:  http://kitsrus.com
  Email: spam_OUTdiykitTakeThisOuTspampacific.net.hk           Email: .....peterKILLspamspam@spam@kitsrus.com

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2000\04\04@005954 by David VanHorn

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At 12:04 PM 4/4/00 +0800, Peter Crowcroft wrote:
>I need an RF person to help me with some projects. Some new bugs using
>about-to-be-released chips and a PLL trainer kit. Please contact me
>off-list if you have interest.

You're aware that the US FCC is clamping down HARD on such devices?
They seized the records of Ramsey electronics late last year, looking for
purchase patterns.
I realize you aren't in the US, but you might not want to make them
available here.

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2000\04\04@012550 by David Huisman

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Clamping down on what ??????

2000\04\04@014501 by Sean Breheny

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LOL! I think he meant bug in the sense of a problem with the chips,
although I am not sure ,it is a bit ambiguous. I WISH the FCC would clamp
down hard on bugs in released ICs!

Sean

At 11:51 PM 4/3/00 -0700, you wrote:
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2000\04\04@020825 by David VanHorn

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At 03:03 PM 4/4/00 +1000, David Huisman wrote:
>Clamping down on what ??????

Illegal transmitters (bugging devices), CB "freebanders", Hams who abuse
their privliges..
'bout flippin time, IMHO.


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2000\04\04@020837 by David VanHorn

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At 01:42 AM 4/4/00 -0400, Sean Breheny wrote:
>LOL! I think he meant bug in the sense of a problem with the chips,
>although I am not sure ,it is a bit ambiguous. I WISH the FCC would clamp
>down hard on bugs in released ICs!

Well, I can only react to what he wrote..  "bugs using".
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2000\04\04@025121 by Sean Breheny

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I must admit, reading it again, it does sound like what you said is more
likely. Honestly, though, I took it a different way before I read your
message. I thought of it more like "[I'm having] some new bugs [while]
using soon-to-be realeased chips and a PLL trainer kit" but that's only
because it's near 3 am here, and my brain is starting to insert words where
there are none ;-)

Sean

At 01:00 AM 4/4/00 -0700, you wrote:
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2000\04\04@111509 by Dan Michaels

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Dave wrote:
>You're aware that the US FCC is clamping down HARD on such devices?
>They seized the records of Ramsey electronics late last year, looking for
>purchase patterns.
....
>
David Huisman wrote:
>>Clamping down on what ??????
>
>Illegal transmitters (bugging devices), CB "freebanders", Hams who abuse
>their privliges..
>'bout flippin time, IMHO.
>

Anyone know "specifically" what the FCC was after at Ramsey
Electronics? Actual bootleg RF devices (like 5W masquerading as
100 mW), or possibly uC-generated EMI outside FCC limits?
The latter may be more consequential, viz-viz piclisters.

2000\04\04@115216 by Harold M Hallikainen

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On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:13:35 -0600 Dan Michaels <EraseMEoricomspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTLYNX.SNI.NET>
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       I don't think it was the FCC, but instead some other agency that was
concerned that the products were being used by spies.  See
www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/scstore/sitepages/h
obby/fedpage3.htm?L+scstore+heoc7951+954895316

Harold


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2000\04\04@115423 by David VanHorn

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>Anyone know "specifically" what the FCC was after at Ramsey
>Electronics? Actual bootleg RF devices (like 5W masquerading as
>100 mW), or possibly uC-generated EMI outside FCC limits?
>The latter may be more consequential, viz-viz piclisters.

FM broadcasting and bugging devices in that one, and specific patterns of
purchaces that would indicate an end user is using them illegally.

I haven't heard anything on part 15 enforcements, but I would count on it.
Mr Hollingsworth is apparently out to "kick ass, and take names".

Ramsey has put a lot more FCC information on their site.



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2000\04\04@115426 by M. Adam Davis

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Due to the whole monica lewinsky/linda trip wiretapping charges, the FBI was
called out to raid a few of the major suppliers of electronics bugging
equipment.

The equipment that was siezed (and yes, it was an actual raid with weapons,
agents covering every door, etc) was primarily small FM bugs, video cameras and
transmitters, and any device which is meant to be concealed or used in a
concealed way (clocks with cameras, etc).  Ramsey does not sell these items any
longer, though you can get them from several other places.  In other words,
Ramsey had the bad luck of being well known for supplying this equipment.  some
of the equipemtn siezed really doesn't fall under those headings anyway.  This
is called a 'witch hunt'.  Someone is in trouble, so they try to place the blame
on someone else, and a witch hunt ensues in placing that blame.  Something to
the effect of: monica suing linda, and linda saying, "If this equipment didn't
exist, I wouldn't be breaking the law, so it's the suppliers fault."

Only a few places were raided.  The FBI is most certianly not going to track
down everyone that sells this equipment.

Apparently this equipment is illegal when used in certian ways, just as it is
illegal to use a scanner to listen to cell phones.  It is not the equipment that
is illegal, just the use of it.  But when the equipment is packaged, marketed
and sold for that specific use then it is a Bad Thing(TM).  But this really
delves into a lot of lawyerly mess...

-Adam

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2000\04\04@120712 by Dan Michaels

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Harold wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know "specifically" what the FCC was after at Ramsey
>> Electronics? Actual bootleg RF devices (like 5W masquerading as
>> 100 mW), or possibly uC-generated EMI outside FCC limits?
>> The latter may be more consequential, viz-viz piclisters.
>
>
>        I don't think it was the FCC, but instead some other agency that was
>concerned that the products were being used by spies.  See
>www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/scstore/sitepages/h
>obby/fedpage3.htm?L+scstore+heoc7951+954895316
>
>Harold
>

Good to know, Harold, but this means piclist is in real deep
pucky, since most of the threads recently have involved blocking
cell phones and evading photo radar, etc/etc. And I am sure
counting chickens in australia can be viewed as a cover for
some sinister plot.

All you guys what was engaging in those discussions, the
government's got your names now (:-)))))))))))))))))))).

You all have my *very* best regards,
- the Watcher in the Sky

2000\04\04@121939 by David VanHorn

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All this was illegal long before linda-gate.

Over the last year or so, the FCC has really stepped up enforcement on all
fronts.
At the dayton hamvention, they were making the rounds, and several vendors
with power amps intended for the CB market were hit.

I'm sure there was some political motivation behind the ramsey raid, but
the FCC has been a toothless tiger for way too long, and I'm glad to see
them enforcing the rules.


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2000\04\04@124210 by Wagner Lipnharski

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This is the same as "gun control" as a ... (I will not say the word)...
way to control violence, when the real violence is in the people's mind,
not in the devices.  As an example, one can inocently buy a thousand
gallons of gasoline at *any* gas station and burn an entire city block,
but no one will do it, right? or wrong?  It demonstrates as easy is to
produce violence, using "on the shelf" products.  K-Mart sells birds gun
shots cartridges at lower shelves that any 8 years old kid can get it.
Now some crazy fella will say "oh, look, he is saying how to do
something bad, he is teaching how to burn a city block"... come on, how
stupid you think people are? The real problem is not the products
itself, but the "bad formed" or (if you wish to use the word) "deformed"
brain who is buying the products.  As they can't control those stupid
and "wrong-view-of-the-world-injected-mental" people, they try to
control the tools of this people's insanity.  It is the same to clean
the world of all sharp edge's products...  forks, knifes, pencils, tooth
picks, don't forget needles, and all, "lets go back and eat with our
bare hands, so probably people will stop to stab each other in dark
corners".  I have a friend that is having trouble because his kid
inocently told at school that he bathes his 7 yrs kids with soap and his
"bare" (ohhhhh) hand... what? he needs to use a glove? for his own kids?
the ones he cleanned off their buts since they were born? or probably
can't even hug and kiss his kids goodbye anymore when they are leaving
to school?  You know what? is exactly strong and tied family bonds what
produce good and healthy brains, to respect people and to live in a good
friendly community.  Sooner or later, the 74HC00 will be wiped out of
the market too, just because it can be used as a timed trigger...
believe it or not. Poor 555 fella. Never say to anyone that it *WAS*
intentionally produced to be a timed trigger, and can be used to
detonate a small device. Oh, by the way, the 2N2222 can drive much more
current than the 555 output, so make some stock now, before it also
disappear from the face of earth. Ridiculous.
Resuming:  Some people just don't like "competition".
This is just my 2mW of RF noise... :)

"M. Adam Davis" wrote:
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> Apparently this equipment is illegal when used in certian ways, just as it is
> illegal to use a scanner to listen to cell phones.  It is not the equipment that
> is illegal, just the use of it.  But when the equipment is packaged, marketed
> and sold for that specific use then it is a Bad Thing(TM).  But this really
> delves into a lot of lawyerly mess...

2000\04\04@124418 by Andrew Kunz

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Purchasers of technology which they believe can only be used properly by Big
Brother.

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Dave wrote:
>You're aware that the US FCC is clamping down HARD on such devices?
>They seized the records of Ramsey electronics late last year, looking for
>purchase patterns.
....
>
David Huisman wrote:
>>Clamping down on what ??????
>
>Illegal transmitters (bugging devices), CB "freebanders", Hams who abuse
>their privliges..
>'bout flippin time, IMHO.
>

Anyone know "specifically" what the FCC was after at Ramsey
Electronics? Actual bootleg RF devices (like 5W masquerading as
100 mW), or possibly uC-generated EMI outside FCC limits?
The latter may be more consequential, viz-viz piclisters.

2000\04\04@131544 by briang

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Wagner Lipnharski <spamBeGonewagnerspamBeGonespamUSTR.NET> wrote:

> This is the same as "gun control" as a ... (I will not say the word)...
> way to control violence, when the real violence is in the people's mind,
> not in the devices.  As an example, one can inocently buy a thousand
> gallons of gasoline at *any* gas station and burn an entire city block,
> but no one will do it, right? or wrong?  It demonstrates as easy is to
> ...

Another example of twisted USA mentality.
The USA is a mad mad country.

Brian Gregory.
TakeThisOuTbriangEraseMEspamspam_OUTcix.co.uk

2000\04\04@143754 by Dale Botkin

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On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Brian Gregory wrote:

> Another example of twisted USA mentality.
> The USA is a mad mad country.

Umm, this coming from a resident of the country that gave us the House of
Commons, Lucas electrical systems, the Spice Girls, and Monty Python?
<VBG>

Dale
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discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny ..."
               -- Isaac Asimov

2000\04\04@145013 by John Mitchell

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On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Dale Botkin wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Brian Gregory wrote:
>
> > Another example of twisted USA mentality.
> > The USA is a mad mad country.
>
> Umm, this coming from a resident of the country that gave us the House of
> Commons, Lucas electrical systems, the Spice Girls, and Monty Python?

Inflicting the Spice Girls is one thing; giving them a "lifetime
achievement award" is something else!

http://freeserve.eventselector.co.uk/news/949938952_17655.html


- j

2000\04\04@150043 by David VanHorn

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>Umm, this coming from a resident of the country that gave us the House of
>Commons, Lucas electrical systems, the Spice Girls, and Monty Python?
><VBG>
>
>Dale

At least in one of those instances, they were being deliberately non-serious.

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2000\04\04@170316 by Robert M. McClure

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At 06:14 PM 4/4/00 +0100, Brian Gregory wrote:
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>Another example of twisted USA mentality.
>The USA is a mad mad country.
>
>Brian Gregory.
>RemoveMEbriangspamTakeThisOuTcix.co.uk

I have travelled extensively around the world and find that *all* countries
are mad, mad, mad.  This does not exclude the UK, inclusive of England,
Scotland, Northern and Southern Ireland, etc, etc, etc.  It is just that each
country has a different kind of madness.  Unless you are ready to concede
that the UK population has twisted mentality, I would prefer that comments
such as this not be made.

Bob McClure

2000\04\04@173253 by Jeff King

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Brian Gregory wrote:

> In-Reply-To: <38EA1A52.F954E293EraseMEspam.....ustr.net>
>
> Wagner Lipnharski <EraseMEwagnerspamUSTR.NET> wrote:
>
> > This is the same as "gun control" as a ... (I will not say the word)...
> > way to control violence, when the real violence is in the people's mind,
> > not in the devices.  As an example, one can inocently buy a thousand
> > gallons of gasoline at *any* gas station and burn an entire city block,
> > but no one will do it, right? or wrong?  It demonstrates as easy is to
> > ...
>
> Another example of twisted USA mentality.
> The USA is a mad mad country.

I don't understand your comment..... are you referring to the posters mentality
or U.S. Government laws/policy?

Clearly, violence is caused by people, not technology. While I might pause at the
need for private ownership of nuclear weapons, I have no problem with private
ownership of firearms. If the US is mad, then Switzerland must be insane which
I understand requires all there households to own an automatic weapon.

Since we are digressing way off topic, I must commend you Brits for _rejecting_
modeling your drug laws after the U.S. Clearly the right choice. Most U.S. citizens
want to scream how "free" they are without realizing we have one of the highest
percentages of citizenship in prison of any country in the world (I think Russia is a bit
higher, but not much, for the percentage of its citizenship in prison).

If you looking for someone to blame, its the abandonment of family values (two income
families, etc), the media and the corrupt politicians that the lemming citizenship
keeps re-electing and/or excusing for their criminal and/or immoral acts.

Now if you want my opinion......

-Jeff


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> Brian Gregory.
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2000\04\05@020916 by Dr. Imre Bartfai

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Hi,

I think not the country is mad, but the government. E. g. here in Hungary
it is illegal to carry a knife with blade longer than 8.5 cm (3 11/32").
I. e. if your wife takes a knife in the shop for your household, she can
be jailed completely legally for 2 months.

Regards,
Imre


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