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'[OT] Question about member...ENOUGH is ENOUGH...!'
2008\06\02@004852 by Peter

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To Admin:

See response below.

David Euans wrote:
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> To our admins - this thread has lasted far longer than it needed to.  
> Get Olin back and contributing to the list and get our members to have  
> a little more spine.
>
> You may flame away at me but I won't bother reading your posts.
>
> Dave Euans

I totally agree with Dave.  ****ENOUGH is ENOUGH****.  This thread has
lasted far too long.

Bring Olin back!

Maybe the lists Admin needs to change...!!!!

Peter

2008\06\02@031204 by Jinx

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> Bring Olin back!
>
> Maybe the lists Admin needs to change...!!!!
>
> Peter

Peter, it's a brave man who volunteers as an admin. I don't
envy you. ex-kindy teacher are you ?

2008\06\02@044626 by spam

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Quoting Jinx <spam_OUTjoecolquittTakeThisOuTspamclear.net.nz>:
>> Bring Olin back!
>>
>> Maybe the lists Admin needs to change...!!!!
>>
>> Peter
>
> Peter, it's a brave man who volunteers as an admin. I don't
> envy you. ex-kindy teacher are you ?

LOL, I had the same reaction when I read that emphatic remark. :-D  By  
the way, hasn't Russell volunteered to become an admin? Whatever  
happened to that?

David Euans said earlier:
> Hanging on the wall of my office is the following:
>
>                        STRESS -
>
> The condition created when one's mind overcomes
> the body's innate desire to squeeze the living sh-t
> out of some a--hole who desperately deserves it.

The posters where I work are a bit more tasteful. This one is hanging  
in my office ("management" is a part of my job description):

http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/gettowork.jpg

This one graces the tech support area:

http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/apathy.jpg

In all, I think we have about ten posters from this collection:

http://despair.com/viewall.html

Sometimes I do have to explain to new people that the messages are  
meant to be funny. :-)

> I'm sure Olin would agree.

He probably would.

> To our admins - this thread has lasted far longer than it needed to.
> Get Olin back and contributing to the list and get our members to have
> a little more spine.

I can see how the thread may be seen by some as a waste of time. To  
me, it was sort of like observing a sociological experiment. I was  
actually quite surprised to see how many people would step up to  
defend (and rationalize) what seemed to me undefendable actions.

> You may flame away at me but I won't bother reading your posts.

"Hit-and-run". I remember using this tactic in a fight back in sixth  
grade. I was such a coward. :-)))

Vitaliy


2008\06\02@070033 by Apptech

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>> Peter, it's a brave man who volunteers as an admin. I
>> don't
>> envy you. ex-kindy teacher are you ?

> LOL, I had the same reaction when I read that emphatic
> remark. :-D  By
> the way, hasn't Russell volunteered to become an admin?
> Whatever
> happened to that?

Be careful of what you ask for ....



       R

2008\06\02@122644 by Vitaliy

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Apptech wrote:
>>> Peter, it's a brave man who volunteers as an admin. I
>>> don't
>>> envy you. ex-kindy teacher are you ?
>
>> LOL, I had the same reaction when I read that emphatic
>> remark. :-D  By
>> the way, hasn't Russell volunteered to become an admin?
>> Whatever
>> happened to that?
>
> Be careful of what you ask for ....

Is this directed at me, or is it a general comment (you became an admin, and
it's more than you bargained for)? ;-)

2008\06\02@135704 by James Newton

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We are waiting for Russell to complete reading the administrative manual for
the list server software. Anyone who is going to be an admin needs to know
how to operate the list, wouldn't you think?

We are always happy to find people who are willing to admin the list and so
have a hand in policing it's members. ANYONE is welcome to apply for that
job.

--
James.

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2008\06\02@151007 by Vitaliy

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James Newton wrote:
> We are waiting for Russell to complete reading the administrative manual
> for
> the list server software. Anyone who is going to be an admin needs to know
> how to operate the list, wouldn't you think?

Absolutely! I would certainly not want Russell to ban me from the list, by
mistake. Actually, I wouldn't want him to ban me intentionally, either.
Russell, we're still cool, right?

BTW, does Russell training for the admin job mean we're getting a new tag?

> We are always happy to find people who are willing to admin the list and
> so
> have a hand in policing it's members. ANYONE is welcome to apply for that
> job.

>From what I hear, it's a hard, thankless job with long hours and no
benefits. Let me think about it. :-)

Vitaliy

2008\06\02@152900 by James Newton

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Any Admin would have the power to add a new tag.

Or remove tags.

Or remove other admins.

Or delete the list.

Seriously. Knowing how to operate the list server is important and admins
have all the power. "Who can destroy a thing, owns a thing."

--
James.

{Original Message removed}

2008\06\02@201447 by Peter van Hoof

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----- Original Message ----
>From: Vitaliy .....spamKILLspamspam@spam@maksimov.org

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>BTW, does Russell training for the admin job mean we're getting a new tag?
[snip]
 
>From all the commotion here I suggest an opt in tag [CENSORED] I for one do not mind the
occasional rambling and insult even if such would be aimed at me
I find a censored list boring.
 
This would need the mandate that people replying to the [CENSORED] tag have to leave it intact
 
I am sure there are all sorts of arguments against such a thing but wonder if there would be a lot
of people that would not opt in.
 
>From Olins point of view there would only be some lag because of the necessary screening, but
so what I am used to having a long lag in my answers showing up and I am not aware of
being on the moderated list.
 
Peter van Hoof

2008\06\02@212126 by Vitaliy

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Peter van Hoof wrote:

>From all the commotion here I suggest an opt in tag [CENSORED] I for one do
>not mind the
occasional rambling and insult even if such would be aimed at me
I find a censored list boring.<

> This would need the mandate that people replying to the [CENSORED] tag
> have to leave it intact <

> I am sure there are all sorts of arguments against such a thing but wonder
> if there would be a lot
of people that would not opt in.<

>From Olins point of view there would only be some lag because of the
>necessary screening, but
so what I am used to having a long lag in my answers showing up and I am not
aware of
being on the moderated list. <


Olin would not use the tag. His approach requires *public* embarrassment of
the victim. Otherwise, he would send the victim a private message.

This problem has no technical solution. FWIW, I am perfectly fine with the
way things are. As far as I'm concerned, Olin should be censored for as long
as it takes him to learn the proper etiquette. "Indefinitely" is an
acceptable timeframe.

In the big scheme of things, the loss of Olin would mean at least an order
of magnitude less to the List, than the loss of the List would be to Olin.

Vitaliy

2008\06\02@214438 by Peter van Hoof

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That's not the way I intended this.
My idea was to still have Olin and others on the moderated list censored,
but we would have the option of receiving AND replying to these Censored posts.
Sensitive people and new people would not receive this because it would be opt-in.
Peter


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2008\06\02@220430 by cdb

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I have stayed out of this until now.

Something some of the protagonists have forgotten in their prattling
(from the verb prate see Old Norse to speak), is that for the most
part we have never met each other and therefore are unable to judge,
tone, manner, inflexion, speech pattern, whether the cat furballed
them first thing in the morning, the butter tore into the bread and to
cap it all the car wouldn't start, Great Aunt Absinthe died etc -
resulting in bad mood/feeling vulnerable day.

A big mistake made with emails and blogs/forums is that for some
reason people tend to think they know each other in a way that they
wouldn't if scribbling with a quill and ink stone, and pen missives
accordingly. Again as most people here have never met, we have no
baseline to judge people against, if we have met, we make judgements
and can offset bad days against the person as generally known, forum
typing unless perhaps accompanied by  live camera does not allow for
this.

As with people we know, sometimes a statement can be taken the wrong
way, when the stator (?) knows that normally the statee (?) would take
umbrage.

Another mistake that is often made in this type of arena is someone
types as though they are in actual conversation with the list as an
extension of what they were doing immediately before electrons were
sent forth into the cybersphere, which means that a question might
seem lazy, idiotic and demanding (English use of the word) <grin>

Therefore it behoves (another Old Norse derivative) us to attempt to
use a more conciliatory approach in our replies and comments.

Someone I personally know, I may well call lazy or an idiot, but
someone I've never met, I need proof that they are indeed being
annoying before I resort to calling them that.

Yes, I have bitten peoples head off on the Acronis forum, but only
once I've asked for more info and they have told me to take a funny
run or have catapulted themselves at me.

Besides the art of being politley rude is much greater fun.

Lecturing list mode off!  

Colin
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2008\06\03@020650 by Apptech

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Technical comment only:    I'm told that new subscriptions
start with ALL tags subscribed and that users must
unsubscribe and that there is nothing that admin can do to
change this.

> Sensitive people and new people would not receive this
> because it would be opt-in.

       R

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