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2007\10\25@195125 by Xiaofan Chen

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It seems to me that patent suit becomes more and more often nowadays.

New one: Sandisk vs other flash storage vendors:
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9804488-7.html

Other on-going patent cases:
Broadcom versus Qualcomm
Nokia versus Qualcomm
SCO versus IBM over Linux
IP Innovation versus Redhat and Novell
Alcatel/Lucent versus Microsoft over MP3

Regards,
Xiaofan

2007\10\25@202129 by Rolf

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Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> It seems to me that patent suit becomes more and more often nowadays.
>
> New one: Sandisk vs other flash storage vendors:
> http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9804488-7.html
>
> Other on-going patent cases:
> Broadcom versus Qualcomm
> Nokia versus Qualcomm
> SCO versus IBM over Linux
> IP Innovation versus Redhat and Novell
> Alcatel/Lucent versus Microsoft over MP3
>
> Regards,
> Xiaofan
>  
Technically, the SCO vs Novell/IBM/Others is not a Patent case
(although, vs IBM, at one point it may have been). SCO cases are
basically Copyright/Contract law cases.

Rolf

2007\10\25@203748 by Zik Saleeba

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On 10/26/07, Rolf <spam_OUTlearrTakeThisOuTspamrogers.com> wrote:
>
> Technically, the SCO vs Novell/IBM/Others is not a Patent case
> (although, vs IBM, at one point it may have been). SCO cases are
> basically Copyright/Contract law cases.

The SCO case is (finally) pretty much behind us. A few weeks ago a
judge ruled that SCO didn't own UNIX in the first place and so were in
no position to enforce UNIX patents. SCO has filed for bankruptcy
protection as a result.

"Drained by Courtroom Losses, SCO Tries to Survive"
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/FBrFE73dU4X77w/Drained-by-Courtroom-Losses-SCO-Tries-to-Survive.xhtml

Cheers,
Zik

2007\10\25@232744 by Herbert Graf

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On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 07:51 +0800, Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> It seems to me that patent suit becomes more and more often nowadays.

Well, in my opinion the reason is simple: it's possible to make money,
sometimes insane amounts of money doing it.

There's also the competitive advantage for bigger companies to pound
smaller companies out of business, which again means money.

To me, the most disgusting element are the companies that only seem to
exist on the money made from suing other companies, it hurts all
companies, it hurts consumers.

The system is beyond broken IMHO.

TTYL

2007\10\26@005655 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 10/26/07, Herbert Graf <.....mailinglist3KILLspamspam@spam@farcite.net> wrote:
>Well, in my opinion the reason is simple: it's possible to
> make money, sometimes insane amounts of money doing it.

Oh yes. Money is the incentive for the companies and the
lawyers who filed the lawsuits.

> To me, the most disgusting element are the companies that only seem to
> exist on the money made from suing other companies, it hurts all
> companies, it hurts consumers.

Some of the companies are patent trolls backed by greedy lawyers.
I think one of the possible solution is to fix the lawyers. How to do
that? I do not have a answer since quite some lawmakers are
lawyers. ;-) or :-(

There are some other companies which does have some good patents.
Maybe Transmeta is one of them. It recently couped quite a large
amount of money from Intel. Not so sure about NTP which won
the lawsuit against RIM.

> The system is beyond broken IMHO.

I agree. It may become more and more complicated with globalization.

Xiaofan

2007\10\26@071943 by Matthew Rhys-Roberts

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Does the introduction of phenomena such as CopyLeft, Creative Commons,
Gnu General Public Licence, "Some Rights Reserved" etc. mean that
there'll be any less of this litigation culture going on in future? Can
it be starved out of existence?

see http://creativecommons.org/about/  , for example. I hope this is
somehow relevant.

I'm just an ignorant optimist...

Regards,

Matt Rhys-Roberts



Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> On 10/26/07, Herbert Graf <mailinglist3spamKILLspamfarcite.net> wrote:
>  
>> Well, in my opinion the reason is simple: it's possible to
>> make money, sometimes insane amounts of money doing it.
>>    
>
> Oh yes. Money is the incentive for the companies and the
> lawyers who filed the lawsuits.
>
>  

2007\10\26@203255 by Xiaofan Chen
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On 10/26/07, Matthew Rhys-Roberts <.....mattKILLspamspam.....nu-ins.com> wrote:
> Does the introduction of phenomena such as CopyLeft, Creative Commons,
> Gnu General Public Licence, "Some Rights Reserved" etc. mean that
> there'll be any less of this litigation culture going on in future? Can
> it be starved out of existence?
>
> see http://creativecommons.org/about/  , for example. I hope this is
> somehow relevant.
>
> I'm just an ignorant optimist...
>

I believe these are all good ideas but they will not prevent litigation
on patents. Take note a lot of patent litigations involve big profit
driven companies and lawyers. There seem to be too many loopholes
in the patent application process and the language used in the
patent. To be honest I do not understand them when I signed the
only patent application case through the lawyer (I am the co-inventor).
I believe the technology is good but I do not really understand the
claims...

Xiaofan

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