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2005\12\02@112144 by R. I. Nelson

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How come every  thing seems to come around to politics?



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2005\12\02@115027 by David Van Horn

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> How come every  thing seems to come around to politics?

Because politics, and that other R word we can't talk about, are the
major control mechanisms on most people's lives.


On the "zero tolerance" subject, I hope the judge isn't carrying any
paper money, I've heard that at least at one point, a lot of it tested
positive for cocaine.




2005\12\02@131113 by Danny Sauer

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David wrote regarding 'RE: [OT] POLITICAL ORATORY formerly(newbie question on timing)' on Fri, Dec 02 at 10:59:
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> On the "zero tolerance" subject, I hope the judge isn't carrying any
> paper money, I've heard that at least at one point, a lot of it tested
> positive for cocaine.

I guess that's at least as effective a means of anti-couterfeiting as
requiring copier/printers to refuse to print dollar bill images, and
using sparkly stuff woven into the paper. :)

--Danny

2005\12\02@143443 by Gerhard Fiedler

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David Van Horn wrote:

>> How come every  thing seems to come around to politics?
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> Because politics, and that other R word we can't talk about, are the
> major control mechanisms on most people's lives.

And possibly because "politics" is how we call the form we found to
organize our living together... Which makes it a bit strange that some
people think of politics as a four-letter word, and that in some circles
it's considered impolite to talk about it.

Gerhard

2005\12\02@154852 by Peter

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> How come every  thing seems to come around to politics?

It's about Freudian envy of the feeders at the top of the foodchain (and
at the same time, at the bottom of the lake).

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2005\12\02@164636 by Russell McMahon

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>> How come every  thing seems to come around to politics?
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> Because politics, and that other R word we can't talk about,

Russell?

> are the major control mechanisms on most people's lives.

Now for a little homespun rubbish :-)

To live lives together needs some form of 'control', discipline, self
management and management of others and a willingness to be managed by
others. This is true not only of people but of many forms of animal
interactions that you can observe. (eg Watching the 30+ "wild" ducks
that use our yard as a staging point and nursery teaches one lots
about societal interactions). For self aware beings (and for many non
self aware beings) there tends to be a "desire" for those we interact
with to be controlled and for ourselves to be less controlled.
(Certainly applies to the ducks which are deemed by current standards
to be non self-aware). Obviously the magnitudes of these desires and
how the being responds to them vary by being type and individual.
Let's just limit this to people here. The knee jerk desire is for
anarchy. But, as the wise political commentator Larry Niven [ :-) ]
observed - "Anarchy is the most unstable form of government". ie the
desire to be free, uncontrolled / unconstrained / do your own thing /
... collapses into some or other form of desire for control under many
forms of pressure. One reason for this is that most people cannot be
at the top of the food chain they find themselves in so anarchy tends
to place them in a less advantageous condition than others that they
can observe and they want better. Politics and religion can be
mechanisms for achieving this. But P&R can (of course) also be
entirely altruistic in intent OR can be seen as ways of achieving a
greater probability of an overall advantage for both the individual
and many around them. ie one may discern (possibly correctly) that by
joining in a democracy one may increase the probability of desirable
outcomes for oneself and those one cares about. By doing this one
tends to decrease the range of possible outcomes in exchange for
probable ones. ie in a democracy any given person has a harder time
being king of the world or dead.

Religion is a special case where (in some cases) the optimisation of
the 'environment' for all people is a stated aim. Obviously, BOTH the
feasibility of seeking to achieve such a target and the motives behind
such a stated aim and the integrity of the visionaries are stringently
questioned by those who do not share the vision (and very rightly so
in the vast majority of cases) and before you know it, we're off ....
:-)



       RM
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