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'[OT] PCB design software'
1999\09\29@205318 by Scott Dattalo

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After having just responded privately to James about a GPL'd package
creatively named `PCB', I get this message on another mailing list:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:44:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phil Salkie <spam_OUTphilTakeThisOuTspamhowman.com>
To: .....pcbKILLspamspam@spam@majordomo.uni-ulm.de
Subject: PCB info page at AP Circuits (Board fabrication house)

Hello,
Dan at Alberta Printed Circuits (a web-accesible prototyping house in
Canada with quick turnarounds, good quality, and reasonable pricing, IMHO)
has agreed to put up a page about PCB on their web site.

The link is:

http://www.apcircuits.com/html/unix_pcb.html

and it has a link to the new PCB web page, the mailing list, and contact
information for the authors and for myself (hoping that I can field some
of the more "how do I turn it on" type questions before Thomas and Harry
get pestered...)

There are also several screen shots and a basic "howto" type text on
producing output that is most compatible with APC's prototyping service.

Dan (mcmulddspamKILLspamapcircuits.com) has been very supportive of my getting up to
speed on PCB and creating the .zip file packages his automated data entry
system requires.  If you have any comments on his site, or if you're
willing to put together a similar howto document with some screen shots
(He'll do the HTML layout and formatting) for some of the GPL circuit
design tools, please get in touch with him. (I've never used a schematic
capture program, so I'm presently a bit helpless there - my boards tend to
be relatively simple...)  However, between having PCB for free and being
able to have small boards in my hands in three days for under $100.00 US,
I never hand wire any circuits anymore.


Thanks everyone for your time,

Phil Salkie
Howman Controls
.....philKILLspamspam.....howman.com


'[OT] PCB design software'
1999\10\01@121742 by Marcelo Yamamoto
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How about ACCEL EDA? Anyone uses that?

Marcelo



>> My two cents worth - My vote is for WINBOARD & WINDRAFT from Ivex.
>> Last time I looked, seemed a tad cheaper than Eagle. Does everything  I
>> want at a reasonable price, the interface is OK, more or less intuitive,
>> it's easy to add parts to your PCB or schematic library. Main bug is that
>> it crashes a fair bit - is that just my PC? - so you need to d\save your
>
>That's exactly why I would vote AGAINST Ivex
>Wouter.
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1999\10\01@123641 by Mark Skeels

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> How about ACCEL EDA? Anyone uses that?
>
> Marcelo


I have initial experience with ACCEL; i have entered a schematic and layed
out one smallish SMT/through hole design. We have the version with the
included "low-end" router.

It works well enough, I suppose, but I find it's library editor awkward to
use, and it's user interface is a little clunky.

We use it though, and it does produce useful output.

One problem I had is that I tried to view the gerbers it generated byreading
them into my artwork on their own layers. After loading them in, it is next
to impossible to delete them!

Mark

1999\10\01@124441 by - KITS EDUCACIONAIS NACIONAIS

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Marcelo Yamamoto wrote:
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> How about ACCEL EDA? Anyone uses that?
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> Marcelo

I use! I use it with Specctra Autorouter 7.1

There is some boards that i use ACCEL EDA and others i use the PROTEL PCB...

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1999\10\01@131332 by Steve Kelley

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Mark . . . .
there's a handy tool called * viewmate * ( http://www.lavenir.com)  that allows you to
import Gerber , HPGL , Drill and Apertures into their application and do some
non-destructive viewing.  The download was 4-meg and it was a free operational
version ( shareware I think ? )

Regards . . . .
                           Steve Kelley

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1999\10\01@163919 by Marcelo Yamamoto

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Do you have an idea of its market price? Their distributor here down ask us
about $18,000.00 US ???????? the complete suite.

Marcelo

>I have initial experience with ACCEL; i have entered a schematic and layed
>out one smallish SMT/through hole design. We have the version with the
>included "low-end" router.
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>It works well enough, I suppose, but I find it's library editor awkward to
>use, and it's user interface is a little clunky.
>
>We use it though, and it does produce useful output.
>
>One problem I had is that I tried to view the gerbers it generated
byreading
>them into my artwork on their own layers. After loading them in, it is next
>to impossible to delete them!
>
>Mark
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1999\10\01@172025 by Mark Skeels

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> Do you have an idea of its market price? Their distributor here down ask
us
> about $18,000.00 US ???????? the complete suite.
>
> Marcelo

No, I didn't purchase it; it was here when I came to work here.
But, try

http://www.ACCELtech.com

I'm sure they have all the info.

Mark

1999\10\01@181441 by William K. Borsum

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At 05:32 PM 10/1/99 -0300, you wrote:
>Do you have an idea of its market price? Their distributor here down ask us
>about $18,000.00 US ???????? the complete suite.
>
>Marcelo
>

Suggest Contacting Protel--in the US and Australia.  Good system, and it
often goes on sale relatively inexpensively--$3K US max--and I've been
offered packages as low as $1200 for the full suite.

Kelly

William K. Borsum, P.E. -- OEM Dataloggers and Instrumentation Systems
<EraseMEborsumspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTdascor.com> & <http://www.dascor.com>San Diego, California, USA

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