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'[OT] Next-gen DVD format war'
2005\10\07@230119 by Xiaofan Chen

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What does this mean to the next-gen HD-DVD, Blue-Ray?
There used to be a China-only standard called SVCD (super VCD) andit even became IEC 62107 standard . Even though it was an interestingfomrat and there were some interesting product like those"Computer VCDs" which integrated 8-bit/16-bit console inside and quitesome education titles. However without the support of big content suppliers,it was a history now.
Now there are three competing next-gen DVD standard in China now.They are EVD, HVD and HVD with EVD being the leading format.
Patent fees levied on Chinese DVD player manufacturers has reached ashigh as US$27.45 per unit according to a report, effectively more than40% of a US$60 DVD player pirce.
There are already a China-backed 3G standard (TD-SCDMA). Mostlikely there will be another China-backed post-MP3 standard andChina-backed Digital TV standard.
Not so sure it this is a good think. However since it is hard to pay forhigh patent fees, it is natural for the Chinese vendors to develop Chinaonly standards.
Regards,Xiaofan
www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=NCHT51LENSTQ2QSNDBESKHA?articleID=171203906
China reiterates plan to develop its own DVD format
EE Times(10/07/2005 10:43 AM EDT)

WASHINGTON — China has again unveiled plans to develop its ownnext-generation DVD format, according to reports there.China's state-run Xinhuanet Web site reported this week that agovernment research group will develop a China-only DVD format. Thenews agency quoted Lu Da, deputy director of the National DiscEngineering Center, as saying the Chinese DVD format will be based on"the prevailing format of HD DVD" but would be "incompatible with theHD DVD systems."
"With such format and related standards," Lu was quoted as saying, "wecould have our own voice in the DVD industry."
Xinhuanet said a new Chinese DVD format is scheduled to hit the market in 2008.
Licensing fees to overseas vendors account for an officially estimated40 percent of the DVD players sold in China, Lu said. The new Chineseformat is seen as way to avoid licensing fees by breaking the"monopoly of foreign companies in DVD manufacturing," the news agencysaid.
It's unclear so far what impact China's move will have on the ongoingformat battle between backers of the HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc formatsfor next-generation DVDs

2005\10\08@091244 by William Chops Westfield

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On Oct 7, 2005, at 8:01 PM, Xiaofan Chen wrote:

> Patent fees levied on Chinese DVD player manufacturers has reached as
> high as US$27.45 per unit according to a report, effectively more
> than 40% of a US$60 DVD player pirce.

Did you work backward from the 40% number and $60 retail price to get
that license fee?  (obviously not exactly, I guess.)  Typically the
manufacturing cost of a consumer device has to be down around 40%
of retail just in order to allow each level of distribution to get
their cut (maybe somewhat higher for mass-market stuff.)  If the license
fees are really $27.45, that would mean the remaining parts cost for a
$60 dvd player would have to be less than zero.

That would certainly explain why there's such a resistance to the
"standards based" formats!

I'm not sure that it'd be possible to create a competing format without
infringing on an equal number of patents, but at least you wouldn't be
admitting ahead of time that you knew you were going to be using that
patented technology.

BillW

2005\10\08@113326 by Xiaofan Chen

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No I am not working backwards. 3C, 6C, Dolby and quite some others
are collecting patent fees. The license fee is only applicable
for exported DVD player and effectively kill all the local brands for
the export market. And the margin for the Chinese exporters is
always very low. The company used to sell DVDs at US$50 in Walmarts
is called APEX. It basically cheated lots of Chinese vendors. I think
there are very few Chinese brand DVD player in the States now.

www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-01/20/content_410667.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/28/business/worldbusiness/28tele.html?ex=1261976400&en=752b208676513a4d&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt

And you are right that majority of the DVD license fee will still be
applicable to EVD players or other players which have to be
compatible with DVDs. Even lots of the core TD-SCDMA IPs are not
owned by the Chinese vendor who developed it. However to hold at
lease some core IPs will benefit the vendors when negotiating.

It seems to me that Huawei Technology and ZTE technology is doing quite
well in the 2.5G/3G market in some countries outside China. China
has yet to decide the 3G format but the major operators will probably
choose W-CDMA and CDMA-2000.

Regards,
Xiaofan

On 10/8/05, William Chops Westfield  wrote:
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2005\10\08@152700 by Dave Lag

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Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> What does this mean to the next-gen HD-DVD, Blue-Ray?
> There used to be a China-only standard called SVCD (super VCD) andit even became IEC 62107 standard . Even though it was an interestingfomrat and there were some interesting product like those"Computer VCDs" which integrated 8-bit/16-bit console inside and quitesome education titles. However without the support of big content suppliers,it was a history now.
> Now there are three competing next-gen DVD standard in China now.They are EVD, HVD and HVD with EVD being the leading format.
> Patent fees levied on Chinese DVD player manufacturers has reached ashigh as US$27.45 per unit according to a report, effectively more than40% of a US$60 DVD player pirce.
> There are already a China-backed 3G standard (TD-SCDMA). Mostlikely there will be another China-backed post-MP3 standard andChina-backed Digital TV standard.
> Not so sure it this is a good think. However since it is hard to pay forhigh patent fees, it is natural for the Chinese vendors to develop Chinaonly standards.
> Regards,Xiaofan
> www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=NCHT51LENSTQ2QSNDBESKHA?articleID=171203906
> China reiterates plan to develop its own DVD format
> EE Times(10/07/2005 10:43 AM EDT)
>
> WASHINGTON — China has again unveiled plans to develop its ownnext-generation DVD format, according to reports there.China's state-run Xinhuanet Web site reported this week that agovernment research group will develop a China-only DVD format. Thenews agency quoted Lu Da, deputy director of the National DiscEngineering Center, as saying the Chinese DVD format will be based on"the prevailing format of HD DVD" but would be "incompatible with theHD DVD systems."
> "With such format and related standards," Lu was quoted as saying, "wecould have our own voice in the DVD industry."
> Xinhuanet said a new Chinese DVD format is scheduled to hit the market in 2008.
> Licensing fees to overseas vendors account for an officially estimated40 percent of the DVD players sold in China, Lu said. The new Chineseformat is seen as way to avoid licensing fees by breaking the"monopoly of foreign companies in DVD manufacturing," the news agencysaid.
> It's unclear so far what impact China's move will have on the ongoingformat battle between backers of the HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc formatsfor next-generation DVDs.

Lots of fuss on this topic

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http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005106_9074_tc024.htm


from:  http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/hdcp-vista.ars

...The upshot of all of this is that display devices need HDCP support.
 If a monitor or television supports HDCP, HD content will be playable on that device (provided that it hasn't been cracked).
 If a monitor doesn't support HDCP, one of two things will happen at the discretion of the content providers.
 It's a possibility that a given studio may simply refuse to allow the content to be displayed at all

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