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2005\10\09@053510 by Xiaofan Chen

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Salary concerns renew H-1B visa opposition
By Ed Frauenheim
Staff Writer, CNET
October 6, 2005 4:00 AM PDT

As offshore outsourcing boomed in recent years, the protracted
controversy over the embattled H-1B immigrant labor program finally
seemed to subside as U.S. jobs were exported overseas and
theoretically lessened the need for foreign workers.

Yet nearly 15 years after its inception under the Immigration Act of
1990, the program remains in full force and headed for new battles.
Just last month, the Indian government made a proposal to the World
Trade Organization, demanding that the annual cap for H-1B visas be
raised from 65,000 to 195,000.

The pivotal question: If jobs are leaving U.S. shores, is the program
still needed?


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Competitiveness of US graduates
Posted by: Michael Greere
Posted on: October 8, 2005, 4:11 PM PDT
Story: Waging battle on foreign labor
Just some thoughts from someone that both teaches
undergraduates at a large US university and has several
colleagues on student visas... Mind you, this is purely

a. Asian and Indian students are far more adept at mathematics.
The reason does indeed appear to be more rote learning,
endless examinations, and a greater cultural emphasis on
education. But, as some above have pointed out, we also appear
to have a slight creative advantage over our foriegn peers. That
too seems to be a result of the differences I just mentioned.

b. Our secondary education system is failing our children.
They're horribly ill-prepared when they enter college. Our
students definitely seem to emphasize having fun socially over
serious studying. Grades are also seriously inflated (a widely-
documented phenomenon), leading to lower expectations of
academic performance. What we need, IMO, is a serious
crackdown on laziness, letting people slide, and parental pull in
school districts. We're letting this fall from grace happen.

The problem for US graduates occurs when their handicap,
particularly in mathematics, bars them from even beginning to
compete with foreign graduates.

We have a real problem here. I'm reminded of it whenever I talk
to faculty or grade exams.

If we took charge and got busy on improving mathematics
education (and perhaps having minimal scores for college
entrance), the visa issue would evaporate.

And please... cut the crap on the irrational nationalism.
Arrogance is what has made us lazy and fall behind.

my 2 cents

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