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2006\05\02@215416 by James Newtons Massmind

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If you go to
http://www.piclist.com/techref/postbot.asp

And click on "(today)" ( or on "by date" and then pick a date ) you get the
standard list of posts for that day. The new feature shows up when you click
on "Thread" in the heading. This shows the posts by thread for that day, but
now it shows the title on a separate line above those posts and not on each
line as it used to. You can click on each post as before, or you can click
on the title and get the ENTIRE thread on the other side.

That new mode is really nice, I think, for reading an entire thread. It does
really take some serious bandwidth and loads the server down a bit (not bad
actually, considering) so I'm hoping I can make use of some calm Google ads
in there to help with the hosting bill. (as if! <sad grin> but hope springs
eternal)

Anyway, feedback welcomed...

I'm still trying to figure out FireFox so that the little edit controls will
work on the main site, but I can't seem to find a decent reference that
shows what each element can and can no do. E.g. like the Microsoft web docs,
where you can select any element (<TEXTAREA>, <LI>, etc...) and find out
exactly what attributes, styles, methods, events, etc... That element
supports in that browser.

As far as I can see, the W3 says that onKeyUp is as valid item for a
textarea, but it sure as heck doesn't fire in FireFox. ...wish that was
documented somewhere...

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2006\05\03@105328 by M. Adam Davis

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On 5/2/06, James Newtons Massmind <.....jamesnewtonKILLspamspam@spam@massmind.org> wrote:
> I'm hoping I can make use of some calm Google ads
> in there to help with the hosting bill. (as if! <sad grin> but hope springs
> eternal)

Are google ads not paying enough to support the hosting bill on
piclist.com yet?  I put ads on my site in February and it's paying a
*lot* more than I expected it would.  I would expect that since you
have a ton more content (and I assume visitors) on your site compared
to mine that you'd be ahead after the first two months of ads.  (I'm
making more per month than hosting costs for one year)

As a point of discussion, I have about 9,000 unique visitors per
month, viewing about 25,000 pages.  50% of my visitors are from
bookmarks, 37% from search engines, 13% from other websites.  I only
have perhaps 20 pages of useful content.

The telling thing is that 72% spend 30 seconds or less on my website.
This means that I'm not giving them what they want, or they are using
me as a springboard to get more information by clicking on the ads.
In other words, I'm making money by attracting people to my website
and then discouraging them from staying...  (alternate and less
cynical explanations might be the pages can easily be read in under
30s, or the algorithm my stats package uses to measure reader time is
flawed, or that most of my visitors are idly 'surfing' and just going
where it looks interesting)

Perhaps your information is *too* useful!

Of course, you may be paying more for hosting than I am - I've got an
inexpensive package that is around $120 per year.  Perhaps the ad
money I'm getting wouldn't cover your bills.

As for me, I'm happy that it not only pays for the site but pays for a
small project each month.  I don't expect it to last forever...

Specific to your site, however, I suggest changing the colors of the
ads to match the rest of your site.  When you so vividly seperate them
people *never* look at them - it's automatic.  When they look like the
rest of the content people will at least see them - and they'll
realize they are ads, but they may actually be interested in them once
they've read the byline.

-Adam
http://ubasics.com

2006\05\03@140918 by Peter

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On Tue, 2 May 2006, James Newtons Massmind wrote:
> I'm still trying to figure out FireFox so that the little edit controls will
> work on the main site, but I can't seem to find a decent reference that
> shows what each element can and can no do. E.g. like the Microsoft web docs,
> where you can select any element (<TEXTAREA>, <LI>, etc...) and find out
> exactly what attributes, styles, methods, events, etc... That element
> supports in that browser.
>
> As far as I can see, the W3 says that onKeyUp is as valid item for a
> textarea, but it sure as heck doesn't fire in FireFox. ...wish that was
> documented somewhere...

In FF you have to register a listener for extended events. You may want
to do in FF: Tools->Extensions->Get More Extensions and load the
following (suggested):

User Agent Switcher - allows to pretend to be IE or Opera or ...
Jsview - view source of Javascript really loaded (i.e. not what you think it loaded)
Server Switcher
FireBug 0.3.2 - DOM inspector
CSS validator 0.1
IE View Lite 1.1.5 - see the borg's point of view
Execute JS 0.1 - JS tinkerbench
Checky 2.5 - check HTML, CSS, JS ,,,

HTML, CSS and Javascript references of the kind you seek can be found
here (among others):

http://www.htmlhelp.com/

There are several open source cross platform full featured HTML editors
which work from a browser. Why not use one (or mine for tested
implementations - and probably credit) ? See a list:

http://www.cmsreview.com/WYSIWYG/OpenSource/directory.html

Peter

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