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2006\03\15@123249 by Dwayne Reid

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Good day to all.

I recently made an eBay purchase and discovered after I had won the
item that the seller ships to the US only.  I'm normally pretty
careful about checking these things but . . .

Anyhow, I'd still like to purchase the item.  Seller has no problems
accepting my PayPal payment but they insist on a US shipping
address.  Even though they specifically talk about Canada within the
auction page . . .

The thing is pretty small (a 'bias T') and would fit into the smaller
of the USPS Flat Rate Envelopes.

I'm looking for someone willing to act as a mail drop for me for this
item.  I'd prefer someone who has also has a PayPal account so that I
can pay for shipping costs plus whatever other charges may be needed.

Thanks!

dwayne

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2006\03\15@124637 by Bob Axtell

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I know you. I don't mind at all. Contact me offline for my mail box address.

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2006\03\15@130614 by Ray Newman

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Dwayne,
I live in Buffalo NY and could boarder cross to ship to you.
I am new to this forum so I will understand if you don't take up my offer.
Ray Newman
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129 Isabelle Road
Cheektowaga, NY 14225
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ray at microdesigns dot biz
Ray



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2006\03\15@130915 by rosoftwarecontrol

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me too, near niagara fall.

that makes big difference shipping usa and canada.



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Subject: [OT] Need a shipping address within the US


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2006\03\15@131312 by olin piclist

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Dwayne Reid wrote:
> I'm looking for someone willing to act as a mail drop for me for this
> item.  I'd prefer someone who has also has a PayPal account so that I
> can pay for shipping costs plus whatever other charges may be needed.

I can do it if you don't find anyone closer.  Someone in the US northwest
would be a better choice, like maybe the Seattle area.  I know you're in
Alberta, but I don't think there are too many people that can spell PIC in
northern Montana or Idaho.


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2006\03\15@160703 by alan smith

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doesnt rocketbob live in Montana?

Olin Lathrop <@spam@olin_piclistKILLspamspamembedinc.com> wrote:  Dwayne Reid wrote:
> I'm looking for someone willing to act as a mail drop for me for this
> item. I'd prefer someone who has also has a PayPal account so that I
> can pay for shipping costs plus whatever other charges may be needed.

I can do it if you don't find anyone closer. Someone in the US northwest
would be a better choice, like maybe the Seattle area. I know you're in
Alberta, but I don't think there are too many people that can spell PIC in
northern Montana or Idaho.


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2006\03\15@191832 by John Ferrell

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Add me to your list if you want. Recent Ebay sales I have done has me
convinced that less than 4 pounds is cheaper than local shipping. Ten pounds
is terrible!

John Ferrell
http://DixieNC.US

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2006\03\15@193945 by Tomas Larsson

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Is there any real explanaition why some sellers won't sell outside the US,
the kit would probably be easier to sell if they didn't have these stupid
ideas.

With best regards

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2006\03\15@195711 by Tim N9PUZ

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Tomas Larsson wrote:
> Is there any real explanaition why some sellers won't sell outside the US,
> the kit would probably be easier to sell if they didn't have these stupid
> ideas.

Depending on how far the seller lives from a real US Post Office vs.
what's called a Postal Sub-station could be one reason. There are a
variety of services that are not available anywhere but a real Post
Office. Foreign shipments are one of them. If it's difficult or really
time consuming to get there maybe they figure it's not worth their effort.

Another possible reason is insurance. It is not possible to insure
shipments to some countries.

The world's Postal services are a marvel. I can get packages to some
European countries quicker than I can get them to a couple of US
destinations.

Tim

2006\03\15@203405 by Tomas Larsson

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After what I've seen it is mostly companies that refuse to sell outside US.
Since they tend to charge for handling, sending by UPS or similar wouldn't
be a problem (don't they collect in US)?

With best regards

Tomas Larsson
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ftp://ktl.mine.nu for uploads. Or use the free http://www.yousendit.com service.

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2006\03\15@213455 by rosoftwarecontrol

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I found recently in ebay, usa people refuse to sell outside
has increased dramatically.

Just now, I am trying to buy a camera that have 10cm focus
range. But, I find those sellers who have thousands selling already,
called "power seller", answer do not to question: would you ship
outside of USA?.A year ago, it is totally rare thing.. Now, it is popular.



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> After what I've seen it is mostly companies that refuse to sell outside
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2006\03\16@022113 by Tomas Larsson

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Maybe it's time for us outside US, Ships worldwide, except USA

With best regards

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2006\03\16@065618 by olin piclist

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Tomas Larsson wrote:
> Is there any real explanaition why some sellers won't sell outside the
> US,

Yes, it's a lot more trouble to ship outside the US.  The US is a big enough
market that some sellers have decided the extra exposure isn't worth the
hassle.

If I were selling a few things personally, I might take that attitude too.
I already charge considerably more for shipping outside the US, but it's not
really enough to make up the extra difference when I account for my time at
a reasonable rate.


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2006\03\16@070515 by olin piclist

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Tim N9PUZ wrote:
> The world's Postal services are a marvel. I can get packages to some
> European countries quicker than I can get them to a couple of US
> destinations.

Hmm.  My impression is that the US postal system is really very decent.  For
under $10 I can get a PIC programmer from Massachusetts to an obscure
outpost in central Alaska in two days (yes, this has happened).  But try
getting something a few hundred miles north of here into Canada and it costs
twice as much and takes 4 times as long.  I don't know what they do up
there, but even dogsled would be faster.

I once got a letter from someone in southern Ontario, and noticed it has a
US stamp on it postmarked in Buffalo NY.  Out of curiosity I asked him about
it, and he said they pay a courrier company to drive mail bound for the US
over the border and dump it at the Buffalo post office.  This was cheaper
and quicker than mailing it from a Canadian post office.


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2006\03\16@102542 by Josh Koffman

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On 3/16/06, Olin Lathrop <spamBeGoneolin_piclistspamBeGonespamembedinc.com> wrote:
> I once got a letter from someone in southern Ontario, and noticed it has a
> US stamp on it postmarked in Buffalo NY.  Out of curiosity I asked him about
> it, and he said they pay a courrier company to drive mail bound for the US
> over the border and dump it at the Buffalo post office.  This was cheaper
> and quicker than mailing it from a Canadian post office.

I can give some metrics on this. I believe it costs about USD$0.33 to
mail a letter in the US, right? To mail a letter from Canada to the
USA costs us about CDN$1 or so. At today's exchange rate, that's
USD$0.87. If you have enough letters to mail, this adds up...

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2006\03\16@104242 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 10:25 AM 3/16/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>On 3/16/06, Olin Lathrop <TakeThisOuTolin_piclistEraseMEspamspam_OUTembedinc.com> wrote:
> > I once got a letter from someone in southern Ontario, and noticed it has a
> > US stamp on it postmarked in Buffalo NY.  Out of curiosity I asked him
> about
> > it, and he said they pay a courrier company to drive mail bound for the US
> > over the border and dump it at the Buffalo post office.  This was cheaper
> > and quicker than mailing it from a Canadian post office.
>
>I can give some metrics on this. I believe it costs about USD$0.33 to
>mail a letter in the US, right? To mail a letter from Canada to the
>USA costs us about CDN$1 or so. At today's exchange rate, that's
>USD$0.87. If you have enough letters to mail, this adds up...
>
>Josh

I've done mailings where 80% are destined for the US and 20% for Canada.

By producing the materials remotely in California and paying double for
each that is mailed north of the border, it works out a fair bit cheaper,
especially with the current sorry state of the greenback.

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2006\03\16@133228 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 07:06 -0500, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Tim N9PUZ wrote:
> > The world's Postal services are a marvel. I can get packages to some
> > European countries quicker than I can get them to a couple of US
> > destinations.
>
> Hmm.  My impression is that the US postal system is really very decent.  For
> under $10 I can get a PIC programmer from Massachusetts to an obscure
> outpost in central Alaska in two days (yes, this has happened).  But try
> getting something a few hundred miles north of here into Canada and it costs
> twice as much and takes 4 times as long.  I don't know what they do up
> there, but even dogsled would be faster.
>
> I once got a letter from someone in southern Ontario, and noticed it has a
> US stamp on it postmarked in Buffalo NY.  Out of curiosity I asked him about
> it, and he said they pay a courrier company to drive mail bound for the US
> over the border and dump it at the Buffalo post office.  This was cheaper
> and quicker than mailing it from a Canadian post office.

Odd. I find the Canadian postal system very good. Time for a post card
to reach the west coast from Toronto is on the order of 2 days.

Personally I always ship to the US with Canada Post/USPS, it's by far
the cheapest, and just as reliable as the couriers.

I've had far more problems with the courier companies (FedEx, UPS and
Purolator have all made weird mistakes).

The only error I've experienced recently was a large letter destined for
Austria taking a stopover in Sydney, Australia. Given the very similar
spelling of the names (in english) of the two countries it's
understandable, but still very annoying.

Now, if you are talking about commercial shipments Olin that is a
different story. Any shipment of "value" can be intercepted by customs,
and customs has been know to take it's sweet time. 4 days is a short
amount of time for a package that passed through customs in my
experience.

Note that this delay is universal, whether you use the postal service or
a courier company.

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2006\03\16@134714 by Bob J.

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Nope, Indiana, and I can spell too!

Regards,
Bob

On 3/15/06, alan smith <micro_eng2EraseMEspam.....yahoo.com> wrote:
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> doesnt rocketbob live in Montana?
>

2006\03\16@173212 by Tim N9PUZ

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Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Tim N9PUZ wrote:
>
>>The world's Postal services are a marvel. I can get packages to some
>>European countries quicker than I can get them to a couple of US
>>destinations.
>
>
> Hmm.  My impression is that the US postal system is really very decent.  For
> under $10 I can get a PIC programmer from Massachusetts to an obscure
> outpost in central Alaska in two days (yes, this has happened).  But try
> getting something a few hundred miles north of here into Canada and it costs
> twice as much and takes 4 times as long.  I don't know what they do up
> there, but even dogsled would be faster.

Oh, I think the USPO is a real bargain all things considered. I just
meant that the paths mail takes and the small delays are certainly a
mystery! Priority Mail in particular is fantastic considering that
included in the cost are shipping supplies like boxes, tape, etc.

Tim, N9PUZ

2006\03\17@124610 by Dwayne Reid
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Many thanks to all!

dwayne

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2006\03\18@120748 by Robert Ammerman

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Glad to help.

Also, I live right across the border from CA, and have family there so might
be able to remail it cheaply in CA for you.

Bob Ammerman
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2006\03\19@082716 by Carlos Marcano

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Hi group.

After reading the thread, I have come with the idea that there is a nice job
oportunity for someone there in the US. I, as a guy living in Latin America,
have had all kind of issues with ebayers which don`t ship outside the US. I
have used commercial "middle shippers" like Transexpress and others and,
althougt they make the job pretty well, their prices are really high. Maybe
one of you, eager entreprenour, might find a better, cheaper way of doing
this and start a very profitable bussines from this? Just a crazy idea.

Regards,

*Carlos Marcano*
-Guri, Venezuela-

2006\03\19@093809 by Bob Axtell

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Carlos Marcano wrote:

>Hi group.
>
>After reading the thread, I have come with the idea that there is a nice job
>oportunity for someone there in the US. I, as a guy living in Latin America,
>have had all kind of issues with ebayers which don`t ship outside the US. I
>have used commercial "middle shippers" like Transexpress and others and,
>althougt they make the job pretty well, their prices are really high. Maybe
>one of you, eager entreprenour, might find a better, cheaper way of doing
>this and start a very profitable bussines from this? Just a crazy idea.
>
>Regards,
>
>*Carlos Marcano*
>-Guri, Venezuela-
>  
>
That sounds like a good idea.

I am retiring soon. Maybe _I_ should
do that?

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2006\03\19@183529 by William Chops Westfield

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> Maybe one of you, eager entreprenour, might find a better, cheaper
> way of doing this and start a very profitable bussines from this?

Smuggling has always been profitable.

People don't ship out of the US because it's genuinely difficult to
keep track of all the legal aspects that might apply.  Oh, you can
get away with for an occasional personal shipment or something that
might be considered "gifts", or that is well under the limits, goods,
and destinations where the law starts to take notice.  But start to
do "export" as part of an identifiable business and you'll need to
either have your own lawyers, or rely on the lawyers of UPS/etc (and
pay their high rates.)  "Customs" is only the beginning.

(I remember I time I took some parts and EPROMS with new software up
to Canada, in blissful ignorance of any special requirements.  Cisco
sent someone after me to deliver the appropriate paperwork WHILE I
WAS ON THE PLANE waiting to take off...  Oops.)

BillW



2006\03\19@205020 by Carlos Marcano

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On 19/03/06, William Chops Westfield <RemoveMEwestfwspam_OUTspamKILLspammac.com> wrote:
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> > Maybe one of you, eager entreprenour, might find a better, cheaper
> > way of doing this and start a very profitable bussines from this?
>
> Smuggling has always been profitable.


That wasn´t the way I was thinking. I just thought on a "middle" guy who
could reship (at an affordable price) items following regular legal paths.

Regards,

*Carlos Marcano*
-Guri, Venezuela-

2006\03\19@210054 by John Nall

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Carlos Marcano wrote:
> > That wasn´t the way I was thinking. I just thought on a "middle" guy who
> could reship (at an affordable price) items following regular legal paths
.
When I was living in Guatemala, there was an outfit which would pay your
plane fare to fly to the States (provided you had a proper passport,
looked presentable, etc.)   One time I checked into it, and the only
thing that I had to do to get a free ticket was to carry a small, flat
envelope back to the States for them.  I did, and a guy met me a the
airport in Miami, gave the proper identification, I gave him the package
and that was the end of that.  I know what you all are thinking, but it
was much too small to be drugs, and the service was widely advertised in
Guatemala.  Looked like just a few papers of some sort in an envelope.  
I have often wondered what it was and why it was worth a couple hundred
dollars to have a courier bring it to the States.

(Yeah -- I know -- not really relevant to what Carlos said.  But it did
make me remember that incident, and so I did like they used to tell me
to do in grade school -- I "shared."  :-)

John

2006\03\20@203525 by John Ferrell

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> I am retiring soon. Maybe _I_ should
> do that?
Trust me, if your life is busy now, it will get worse when you retire...
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2006\03\20@210035 by David VanHorn

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I run into a fair number of items that are "UK shipping only".

2006\03\20@210244 by David VanHorn

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On 3/16/06, Bob J. <RemoveMErocketbobTakeThisOuTspamspamgmail.com> wrote:
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> Nope, Indiana, and I can spell too!


Youza hoosier too?

2006\03\21@041355 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I run into a fair number of items that are "UK shipping only".

This on ebay?

2006\03\21@141854 by Peter

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, William Chops Westfield wrote:

>> Maybe one of you, eager entreprenour, might find a better, cheaper
>> way of doing this and start a very profitable bussines from this?
>
> People don't ship out of the US because it's genuinely difficult to
> keep track of all the legal aspects that might apply.  Oh, you can

Legal aspects ? Your country is the most likely to *sue*. Once the goods
are outside, the chances that someone is going to sue an US citizen are
about zero.

You have to realize that outside your 'continent' the world is made up
of lots of small and smaller countries which ship just about everything
across some border or another, often even matches and milk, not to
mention commuting to work 'abroad' maybe 5 or 10 miles away, or buying
gas or cigarettes or toilet paper 'abroad' 3 miles away.

While the paperwork can be a nightmare this does not usually apply to
small items.

Peter

2006\03\21@144709 by Peter

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> I run into a fair number of items that are "UK shipping only".

Another island-state ...

Peter

2006\03\21@160034 by William Chops Westfield

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On Mar 21, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Peter wrote:

> Legal aspects ? Your country is the most likely to *sue*. Once
> the goods are outside, the chances that someone is going to
> sue an US citizen are about zero.
>
That's not the sort of legal aspect I had in mind.  I was thinking
only of the US's various and frequently ridiculous laws, including
things like certain software or CPUs above a certain clock speed
being regulated as "munitions."

> While the paperwork can be a nightmare this does not usually
> apply to small items.

Probably not for individuals.  But if you start to do things
AS A BUSINESS, the laws start to apply anyway.  A lot of eBay
sellers these days are on the edge of being small businesses
using eBay as a storefront (or even well over that edge.)  I'd
expect them to be treading a thin line about needing to obey
the laws that apply to businesses vs the exemptions that apply
to individuals...  (for instance, not that this applies to export:
If you go out and buy an oxy acetylene welding rig for your hobby,
there's probably no problem taking it home in your car.  If you're
a professional welder and you want to carry the same equipment in
your truck, you'd better have hazmat placarding and the special
drivers license necessary to card around such dangerous stuff.)

BillW

2006\03\22@035900 by Alan B. Pearce

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>> Legal aspects ? Your country is the most likely to *sue*.
>> Once the goods are outside, the chances that someone is
>> going to sue an US citizen are about zero.
>>
>That's not the sort of legal aspect I had in mind.  I was
>thinking only of the US's various and frequently ridiculous
>laws, including things like certain software or CPUs above
>a certain clock speed being regulated as "munitions."

I have seen some of the problems the ITARS regulations create. They also
produce some ridiculous situations. Some of my colleagues have provided
drawings for scientific instruments we have done for satellites, and they go
into the NASA system, get their numbering on them, and thereby get
restrictions on us accessing them, because they are now considered subject
to ITARS regulations.

2006\03\28@091103 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Tim N9PUZ wrote:

> The world's Postal services are a marvel. I can get packages to some
> European countries quicker than I can get them to a couple of US
> destinations.

I've received official US government mail in Brazil that was sent through
the German postal service. At other times, I've had to wait for weeks for a
letter sent from Germany to Brazil (through the same German postal
service). Go figure.

Gerhard

2006\03\28@092111 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Olin Lathrop wrote:

> I don't know what they do up
> there, but even dogsled would be faster.

I don't think it's what "they do up there", it's the border crossing that's
the problem. Letters to the USA through Brazilian postal service routinely
reach the "hand over point" to the USPS rather quickly, but often then
stall, probably at some kind of border check (security, customs) before
they enter the USPS distribution system and proceed.

Gerhard

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