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1999\11\04@004724 by Dennis Plunkett

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At 21:56 3/11/99 -0700, you wrote:

>Jinx wrote:
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>> And it's my understanding that UK rolling stock can't even get out of
>> the French end of the Channel Tunnel to use track that is standard
>> across the whole of the rest of Europe.
>
>That is designed that way. Keeps the wily Brits from shipping
>anglophonic mad cows to La Belle France.
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>Thought some of the Eastern countries had a different gauge, too. I seem
>to recall there was some place on the Orient Express where the
>passengers had to switch trains.
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I put in the OT to keep Newton from sending out one of rude self appointed
finger of G-D automatic e-mails at me <NG>
You think that Europe has problems, successive goveners in Australia, then
appointed by the Royals, decided that each state would be different. In
fact you can tell when a Scotsman was gov, a Brit, and others. As the rail
line that where put in at each time they served beared resemblence to thier
country of origin (The goveners that is). It was not until the 50s that the
desission for a standard gauge rail link was agreed to. The argument is
that Britin in all it glory seen rail as the means of transport for future
development and progress (See where I am going), and in order to keep
Australia as a Colony, different gauges where used. Now in Queensland
(Everything is wrong up there!) they even use a different rail voltage. All
other states are electrifed to 1500VDC (There are good old fashioned
reasons for this, I can elaborate if required), now Queensland uses 22kVAC.
At least they don't have trams! (They like Sydney disposed of them, and
what would you know, Sydney is putting them back in)
Back to the rail stuff.
It was common on the GHAN to switch trains at OODNADATTA (Spelling and
location? Pronouched OO as in poo  D NAH DAT TAR) A trip from Melbourne to
Sydney, until the 50s required a change at the boarder.

To think all this within the one country! And we all ode thanks to Mother
England.
On that topic we are having a referendum on if we become a republic, and if
we are going to change the consitution. Only one referendum has ever been
past that I know of, the one that gave Aborigines the right to vote (Like
American Indians, or is that native Americans now?) We have a chequered
past on the treatment thereof. Hey how did I digress so much, sorry. But I
do find it interesting how someone like Andy has not picked the referendum
up, or others have not brought up the toppic. So the question is:-

Will I be reporting from the Republic of Australia next week? Dunno, as
usual the reports and poles performed are as varied as our population is
diverse.

And what will that do to my masters?
Oh dear
What will it do to my share portfolio?
Will I still be able to get my Amarni suits?
Will I still be able to drive my SAAB?


Panic merchant

Dennis (RepAust???????)

1999\11\04@042550 by Jinx

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> Will I be reporting from the Republic of Australia next week? Dunno, as
> usual the reports and poles performed are as varied as our population is
> diverse.
>
> Panic merchant
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> Dennis (RepAust???????)
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Persistent suggestion put forward here that NZ should become a
state of Australia, common currency etc vs loss of nationhood.
Probably not a bad idea to try and form a larger manufacturing base
and so on. Whether it would actually affect the individual, I don't
know, there's still the problem of physical separation by rather a
lot of water. OK for planes and boats but tricky for trucks without
really big puffy tyres. Economics definitely not my area but my
guess is that not much would change.

Many of my parts that I need, PIC, Atmel and some specialty items
often have to be shipped out of Sydney or Melbourne or further.
Although reps (Avnet, GEC et al) are here the cupboards are bare
quite frequently. NZ as an Oz state wouldn't alter that, the local market
is still too small to justify holding slow-moving stock. I envy our friends
in the US, they have their supply problems too, but it must be a parts
collectors dreamworld.

And of course Oz has great entrepreneurial outfits like Dick Smith
Electronics, Oatley Electronics, Jaycar, and I'm sure there's one
other, um, who could that be ? ;-)

Jinx

"New Zealanders who migrate to Australia raise the average IQs of
both countries", ex-NZ PM Rob Muldoon  :-P

1999\11\04@114759 by Richard Dungan

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On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:53:47 +1100, you wrote:

>At 21:56 3/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
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>>Jinx wrote:
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>>> And it's my understanding that UK rolling stock can't even get out of
>>> the French end of the Channel Tunnel to use track that is standard
>>> across the whole of the rest of Europe.

This isn't quite true. The distance between the rails is the same in UK and
France / Belgium / Germany, etc.

The Eurostar passenger trains which run between London and Paris/Brussels run at
300Km/h (186 miles/hr) where the tracks are suitable and if you are travelling
city centre to city centre IME offer a civilised and time-competitive
alternative to flying.

Freight trains with suitable sized wagons (cars) can also go almost anywhere in
Europe.

As a generality the bodies of the passenger trains are wider in Europe than in
the UK, so normal European passenger trains cannot enter the UK. No "normal"
passenger train is allowed through the tunnel in either direction anyway, for
various reasons.

The Channel Tunnel itself also has some trains with huge bodies (but still the
same distance between the rails!) which are limited to running through the
tunnel because they won't fit anywhere else. They operate the "ferry" service.

The gauge (distance betwen the rails) is however different in (among others)
Ireland, Spain, and the former USSR.

I'm happy to answer other questions, but maybe by email. This is way OT.

Richard

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1999\11\04@144132 by Richard Prosser

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I still like Bob Jones' suggestion -
Australia should become part of NZ.
Think about it.

Richard P
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1999\11\04@165741 by steve

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> Persistent suggestion put forward here that NZ should become a
> state of Australia, common currency etc vs loss of nationhood.

I thought it was a merging of the two countries and Australia would
change its name to be The West Island. :-)

Steve.

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1999\11\05@083640 by Tom Handley

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At 04:53 PM 11/4/99 +1100, Dennis Plunkett wrote:
>To think all this within the one country! And we all ode thanks to Mother
>England.

  I'm from the `colonies'. We are those rather arrogant, rebellious, folks
that broke away from England around 200 years ago. Frankly, I'm getting real
fed up with England. The main problem is they are simply too funny for our
own good. Consider Monty Python and Benny Hill. Now that I have DirectTV
satellite, I get BBC-America. Whenever I watch their `sit-coms', I suffer
severe pain around my facial muscles and my gut. I'm convinced that this is
a `sinister plot' to get back at us, hoping we will die laughing.

  Then there is their rock and roll... Just because I have all of Eric
Clapton's music doesn't mean I'm a fan. I'm just collecting data. I could go
on but I don't want to go down this `broken Fender guitar-stained' road...

  Finally, they talk funny and they drive on the wrong side of the road!

  - Tom (gawd, I hope no one takes me serious ;-) Handley


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