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2010\12\23@161956 by Lindy Mayfield

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I got a new hairdryer.  One of them said that they have "Satin Ions".  Of course I had to buy it.  How can anyone expect to dry their hair without them!

Er, does anyone know what "satin ions" is?  :-)  It's a serious question.

Lindy

Hyvää joulua ja onnellista uutta vuotta

2010\12\23@164052 by William Keane

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> Subject: [OT] My new hairdryer...
>
> I got a new hairdryer.  One of them said that they have "Satin Ions".  Of course I had to buy it.  How can anyone expect to dry their hair without them!
>
> Er, does anyone know what "satin ions" is?  :-)  It's a serious question.
>
> Lindy
>
> Hyvää joulua ja onnellista uutta vuotta!
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2010\12\23@164307 by IVP

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> Er, does anyone know what "satin ions" is?  :-)

It looks like the hairdryer incorporates a small negative ion generator

At least 'satin ions' are demonstratably real

Not like what these guys are shovelling

http://www.terratachyon.com/

Jo

2010\12\23@170412 by Olin Lathrop

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Lindy Mayfield wrote:
> I got a new hairdryer.  One of them said that they have "Satin Ions".
> Of course I had to buy it.  How can anyone expect to dry their hair
> without them!
>
> Er, does anyone know what "satin ions" is?  :-)  It's a serious
> question.

That depends on whether your hair is blonde or not.


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2010\12\23@171254 by Adam Field

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On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, IVP <joecolquittspamKILLspamclear.net.nz> wrote:
>> Er, does anyone know what "satin ions" is?  :-)
>
> It looks like the hairdryer incorporates a small negative ion generator
>
> At least 'satin ions' are demonstratably real
>
> Not like what these guys are shovelling
>
> http://www.terratachyon.com/
>

Not just for hair, apparently it's good for your CD collection too:

http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/rio5/rio5_01.html

>From site: RIO-5 II not only releases negative ion, it also emit
infrared rays which works as a surface-active agent. This improves
transmissivity of the laser beam inside the CD player, which leads to
improved sound and picture quality. By using the RIO-5 II, it improves
S/N ratio and dynamic range.

Seams to be right up there with oxygen free speaker cables.

2010\12\23@172431 by Michael Watterson

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On 23/12/2010 22:12, Adam Field wrote:
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Oh dear.

2010\12\23@202415 by Lindy Mayfield

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Yes, of course you are right.  I didn't google because it is so much better to talk to real people, I hope you don't mind I went this way.  You guys are so much more better than a lifeless google search.  We talk.  Google doesn't.

But yes, for more info I will go that route.

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Lindy,

Try google 1,960,000 entries

Bill

2010\12\23@202524 by Lindy Mayfield

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Olin! I'm so happy you read OT's now!  I have dark hair, and by Finnish standards it is like wire.

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2010\12\25@195812 by Justin Richards

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>  I didn't google because it is so much better to talk to real people, I hope you don't mind I went this way.

Agreed, I enjoyed reading about satin ions and coincidentally the
subject of hairdryers came up at work and home recently.

I pretended to be an authority stating that the best dryers have Satin
Ions.  Discovered my wife would like a hairdryer that used cold rather
than heat for really hot days.

2010\12\25@210400 by V G

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On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Lindy Mayfield
<KILLspamlindy.mayfieldKILLspamspamssf.sas.com>wrote:

> Yes, of course you are right.  I didn't google because it is so much better
> to talk to real people, I hope you don't mind I went this way.  You guys are
> so much more better than a lifeless google search.  We talk.  Google
> doesn't.
>
> But yes, for more info I will go that route.


Exacty

2010\12\26@093513 by Olin Lathrop

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Justin Richards wrote:
> Agreed, I enjoyed reading about satin ions and coincidentally the
> subject of hairdryers came up at work and home recently.

I prefer denim ions myself.


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2010\12\27@141100 by N T

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Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Justin Richards wrote:
>> Agreed, I enjoyed reading about satin ions and coincidentally the
>> subject of hairdryers came up at work and home recently.
>
> I prefer denim ions myself.

In a single layer, star relaxed topology :-

2010\12\27@231520 by RussellMc

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> Justin Richards wrote:
> > Agreed, I enjoyed reading about satin ions and coincidentally the
> > subject of hairdryers came up at work and home recently.

On 27 December 2010 03:36, Olin Lathrop <RemoveMEolin_piclistTakeThisOuTspamembedinc.com> wrote:
> I prefer denim ions myself.

That *MAY*, perhaps,  be OK for an expert like yourself, but a
beginner may well be mislead and not appreciate that the positive
connotations mentioned below have a negative effect in the
overwhelming majority of cases.

If the user is consistently highly negative there may  be some benefit
but this, as can clearly be seen, cannot be relied on.

Denim is, as you, of course, know,  a reference to Nimes (de Nime)
[aka 'Bleu Jeans de Nimes' in a related context].

Nimes is the coastal geographical  focus of the justly famous Mistral
wind - (see attached annotated map) high velocity heavily positive ion
charged wind which descends from the mountains 'up country' and blows
out into the Mediterranean. Drives sane men mad and mad men madder.
Provokes duels and misc snarkiness and more.

So - De'nime ions are certainly advisable for the uninitiated - or,
perhaps, Grand Masters [tm] either.

                   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_(wind)
                   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimes

Mistral, Sirrocco, Foehn, more

    http://www.halexandria.org/dward079.htm
    http://www.djclarke.co.uk/file02.html

AND the cause of internet & TV addiction to boot

              http://www.causeof.org/positive.htm

Possibly, they posit, infrasonics.
No doubt*.


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Mayhaps it's the waveses

        http://www.fullnesslife.com/informe-eg-4.htm

Say what?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchblade
      www1.eere.energy.gov/solar/pdfs/pvrw2010_poster_kang.pdf
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltrop
      www.aidic.it/nose2008/webpapers/28Guillot.pdf
      www.dowcorning.com/content/publishedlit/Moisture_Permeability_of_Photovoltaic_Encapsulants.pdf
       http://www2.apexelec.co.nz/htm/key_search.php?ckey=%25&skey=e&csot=0&type=up&page=1&search=1&rspage=0&islv=1



         Ruzl

* No doubt whatsoever.


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2010\12\28@060437 by Peter

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Lindy Mayfield <lindy.mayfield <at> ssf.sas.com> writes:
> Yes, of course you are right.  I didn't google because it is so much better to
talk to real people, I hope you don't mind I went this way.  You guys are so
much more better than a lifeless google search.  We talk.  Google doesn't.

LOL. You use a mailing list instead of a search engine by preferrence, I
understand that. But calling this talk? :) :)

Anyway the ions @hair thing is not a new idea. Antistatic combs have been around
for a while. I discovered one while trying to test an electrostatic meter in the
usual empirical way. Total failure, static proof combs do not charge up. I don't
know if they are associated with a trade name such as 'satin ions'.

-- Peter

2010\12\28@084435 by Mark E. Skeels

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Russell,

You are an alien.

Or at least, you talk like one.

:-)

Mark Skeels
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On 12/27/2010 10:14 PM, RussellMc wrote:
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> * No doubt whatsoever

2010\12\28@092355 by RussellMc

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> Russell,
>
> You are an alien.
>
> Or at least, you talk like one.
>
> :-)

Yes.
Obviously when I said

> So - De'nime ions are certainly advisable for the uninitiated - or,
> perhaps, Grand Masters [tm] either.

I meant

> So - De'nime ions are certainly inadvisable for the uninitiated - or,
> perhaps, Grand Masters [tm] either.
>
>                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_(wind)
>                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimes


Much less alien :-)

FWIW the Mistral and other winds like it are claimed to containa
predominace of positive ions AND to cause negative effects with people
and animals AND Nimes is indeed at about the centre of where the
Mistral blows, so ...

:-).

And Denim is in fact, AFAIK, derived from de Nimes.
And Bleu Jeans from the same place based on died cloth from the region
- although that sounds more of a reach.

No satin from Nimes, AFAIK.


 Russell





2010\12\28@093751 by Olin Lathrop

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> FWIW the Mistral and other winds like it are claimed to containa
> predominace of positive ions

Hmm.  This implies there is something like a Van DeGraf generator happening
on a large scale driven by wind.  I suppose that's possible, since
thunderstorms seem to be charged by a similar effect, although in that case
the wind is vertical.  Still, you'd think any charge imballance would find a
way to short itself out before long if it were significant.

What about winds with such claimed properties that blow the other direction,
like the Foen?  According to your map, the Mistral blows from Spain south
into the Medditeranean.  The Foen blows north from the Medditeranean accross
the Alps if I remember right, and is also claimed to have mystical but
largely unmeasurable properties.

To bring this thread back to its original topic, there was actually a brand
of electric hair dryer called the "Foen".


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2010\12\28@122358 by N. T.

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RussellMc wrote:
>> Justin Richards wrote:
>> > Agreed, I enjoyed reading about satin ions and coincidentally the
>> > subject of hairdryers came up at work and home recently.
>
> Olin Lathrop wrote:
>> I prefer denim ions myself.
>
> That *MAY*, perhaps,  be OK for an expert like yourself, but a
> beginner may well be mislead and not appreciate that the positive
> connotations mentioned below have a negative effect in the
> overwhelming majority of cases.
>
> If the user is consistently highly negative there may  be some benefit
> but this, as can clearly be seen, cannot be relied on.
>
> Denim is, as you, of course, know,  a reference to Nimes (de Nime)
> [aka 'Bleu Jeans de Nimes' in a related context].

You are taking the context as an EE pro. But most of mere mortals may
not know the meaning of the fancy word "ion". The key word would be
"satin", - to make hair look like satin textile. Olin said, he prefers
denim ions. So, non-EE-pro mere mortal would think he meant "denim", a
rugged cotton twill textile. Denim hair style, why not?

But again, if an engineer were too far into EE, "Twill" would mean
double, and as denim can be associated with Wrangler Star, that's why
it could cause the analogy to PCB :-)

Hope the above was not too off-topic.

2010\12\28@154149 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Dec 28, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Olin Lathrop wrote:

> This implies there is something like a Van DeGraf generator happening
> on a large scale driven by wind.  I suppose that's possible, since
> thunderstorms seem to be charged by a similar effect, although in  
> that case
> the wind is vertical.  Still, you'd think any charge imballance  
> would find a
> way to short itself out before long if it were significant.

There is supposed to be a substantial and essentially permanent  vertical electric field through the atmosphere.  You can supposedly  power small electrostatic motors merely by hoisting a pointy antenna a  couple of tens of meters.  It's one of the things that leads people  astray looking for free energy...

BillW

2010\12\29@072045 by Ruben Jönsson

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> To bring this thread back to its original topic, there was actually a brand of
> electric hair dryer called the "Foen".
>
> The word commonly used for hair dryer in swedish is actually "hårfön" - "hair foen".
/Ruben

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2010\12\29@072100 by cdb

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Doesn't Christchurch NZ have a wind that is supposed to make people feel depressed and suicidal?

The Mistral is always mentioned in certain Master of Wine study books for how it helps the grapes in the Rhone valley- hmm too many moons ago, I'll have to go looking up my text books again.

Of course there is also one in Spain whose name I forget, but I'm sure a car or something was named after it.

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2010\12\29@073337 by IVP

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> Doesn't Christchurch NZ have a wind that is supposed to make
> people feel depressed and suicidal?

Yes, I heard of that once some time ago

Some discussion

http://www.emigratenz.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-12095.html

I'd imagine there would be many places around the world with
that sort of topography and climate

2010\12\29@083406 by Olin Lathrop

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> The word commonly used for hair dryer in swedish is actually "hårfön"
> - "hair foen".

Does the Foen wind actually make it all the way to Sweden?


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2010\12\29@103214 by Paul Hutchinson

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> Of course there is also one in Spain whose name I forget, but I'm sure a
> car or something was named after it.
>

Scirocco (aka Sirocco) is a Volkswagen, and a Mediterranean wind that blows
from the Sahara to Southern Europe.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirocco>

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2010\12\30@025113 by cdb

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:: Scirocco (aka Sirocco) is a Volkswagen, and a Mediterranean wind
:: that blows
:: from the Sahara to Southern Europe.

That'd be the one I was thinking of, all I could recall was Sahara, I knew that wasn't correct.

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2010\12\31@093825 by N. T.

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Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Does the Foen wind actually make it all the way to Sweden?

Probably it does not by definition as Wikipedia says "A foehn wind or
föhn wind is a type of dry down-slope wind that occurs in the lee
(downwind side) of a mountain range". Sweden seems to be too far from
the mountain range.

I don't believe the positively charged particles within the wind
affect human significantly. I've read somewhere another explanation
that, as for me, looks a bit more realistic

- humid airflow from the sea bumps into the mountain system;

- some air flows would climb the mountain and then go down-slope;
other air flows would move around/through the mountain range;

- those "over-mountain" flows would became dry, dense and clear and
would start loosing its temperature by radiation at night;

- those "around/through" flows would remain humid, cloudy and thus
retain their temperature and density;

- more dense "over-mountain" dry flows would slide down into
perpendicular lighter flows, and will generate low frequency air
pressure oscillations;

I got no idea what the frequency can be, perhaps an oscillation per
minute or so.

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