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2007\05\21@113716 by Robert Rolf

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FYI

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyId=89&articleId=9019238&intsrc=hm_topic

Also see

http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/3937

But what I found more interesting (on above page) is that Microsoft's FAT patent is invalid,
so using FAT with PIC's (flash cards) is no longer a patent infringement.

http://www.pubpat.org/microsoftfat.htm

R

2007\05\21@163346 by James Newtons Massmind

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This patent mess leaves us with this:

- Incorporate.

- Make an honest attempt to find and pay royalties on code you use in your
product.

- If contacted by patent holder, make an honest attempt to work something
out.

- When it gets insane, fold up, bankrupt the company, sell the assets to
your wife/cousin/friend, move the office, re-incorporate.

- Repeat as needed.



In other words, this crap makes criminals out of anyone who wants to make a
living as a programmer. What else are you going to do? If you fight, the
lawyers win.

I do hope the open source people find away around it.

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James.

P.S. I've never done that, but I've seen it done twice now. The first time
was not so honest but the second time was very much so.


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2007\05\21@201031 by Neil Cherry

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James Newtons Massmind wrote:
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I haven't read the *Fine* article but:
Slashdot: Sue me first:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/21/229219

I did read another article (can't find the link) where they spoke
with various customers (O.S. and other) and some basically said
that they what MS was doing amounted to nothing because MS has
been doing nothing. So it looks like this round of FUD isn't
going as well as MS has hoped.

But there is still something bothering me about this whole thing.
What' MS really up to? They had to know that they would get this
kind of reaction. Something else is up I just haven't figured
out what yet. I hope someone does, soon.

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2007\05\22@033435 by Peter P.

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Neil Cherry <ncherry <at> comcast.net> writes:

> But there is still something bothering me about this whole thing.
> What' MS really up to? They had to know that they would get this
> kind of reaction. Something else is up I just haven't figured
> out what yet. I hope someone does, soon.

I don't think that they are up to something specific. It's a wave type of system
where there is pressure from one side and opposition from the other. When
something changes there is some trashing and then the equilibrium resettles soon
after that. The losers are those caught in the momentary upheaval. The lawyers
and the stock operators always win. The lawyers get paid no matter who wins and
the stock operators get a nice cut on the ensuing swift trade's margins, also no
matter who wins or loses. Sometimes, rarely, the upheaval leaves some marks in
the judicial system, in the form of an invalidated patent, or of an enforced
license.

Peter P.


2007\05\22@071122 by Howard Winter

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On Mon, 21 May 2007 09:37:10 -0600, Robert Rolf wrote:

> FYI
>
> www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyId=89&articleId=9019238&intsrc=hm_topic
>
> Also see
>
> http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/3937
>
> But what I found more interesting (on above page) is that Microsoft's FAT patent is invalid,
> so using FAT with PIC's (flash cards) is no longer a patent infringement.

Of course, this is a mainly American problem, since most of the rest of the World doesn't have patents on software.  They tried to slip it in in Europe
last year, but it was soundly beaten.  Won't stop them trying again, of course!

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2007\05\22@073934 by Tony Smith

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Wouldn't the copyright on FAT have expired anyway by now?

Tony

2007\05\22@075425 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Wouldn't the copyright on FAT have expired anyway by now?

AIUI the patent ended up being only on how to achieve long file names on
FAT. That article may refer to M$ attempting to patent FAT itself, but as
many people pointed out there was a heap of prior use before M$ used it.

2007\05\22@094210 by Tamas Rudnai

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The guy who propagated the software patents so hard here in Europe is now
the French president, so will see.

Tamas




On 5/22/07, Howard Winter <.....HDRWKILLspamspam@spam@h2org.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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2007\05\29@084317 by Sean Schouten

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On 5/22/07, Tamas Rudnai <tamas.rudnaispamKILLspamgmail.com> wrote:
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> The guy who propagated the software patents so hard here in Europe is now
> the French president, so will see.
>
> Tamas
>

Oh no! Does that mean that he has a pricetag on his head? Nothing new for
france though, if I may believe some of my french friends.

Sean

2007\05\29@124636 by Rikard Bosnjakovic

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On 5/29/07, Sean Schouten <.....dev.seantechKILLspamspam.....gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh no! Does that mean that he has a pricetag on his head? Nothing new for
> france though, if I may believe some of my french friends.

The first thing he did was going on a $200k prepaid vacation with his
family. The frenchies went into rage because of this, since $200k is
pretty much more than Joe Random makes for salary for an entire life.
The president's simple replied was "I really can't see the problem".

So, what this goat will turn the EU into is yet to observe.

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2007\05\29@160550 by Barry Gershenfeld

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At 08:10 PM 5/21/07 -0400, Neil Cherry wrote:
>But there is still something bothering me about this whole thing.
>What' MS really up to? They had to know that they would get this
>kind of reaction. Something else is up I just haven't figured
>out what yet. I hope someone does, soon.

I looked at the Computerworld article, and thought about this,

"...the Redmond, Washington, software company signed a Linux deal with
Novell Inc. that indemnifies the company against Microsoft patent claims
over Linux. Last week, Dell Inc. joined the deal, becoming the first
hardware vendor to do so. "

Has MS traded "protection" for some agreement (like not distributing OSS)?

Maybe IBM can hire everyone in the country at no pay, thereby extending the
protection to all of us.

Barry

2007\05\29@162126 by David P Harris

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Barry Gershenfeld wrote:

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Sounds like a high-tech protection racket -- sign-up and we wouldn't
beat you up.

David


2007\05\29@165532 by Herbert Graf

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On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 13:15 -0700, David P Harris wrote:
> Barry Gershenfeld wrote:
> >Has MS traded "protection" for some agreement (like not distributing OSS)?
> >
> >Maybe IBM can hire everyone in the country at no pay, thereby extending the
> >protection to all of us.
> >
> >Barry
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> >  
> >
> Sounds like a high-tech protection racket -- sign-up and we wouldn't
> beat you up.

Exactly. This sort of thing sounds EXACTLY like the "protection money"
some people have to pay to certain organizations.

All it proves to me is MS KNOWS that if it tries to actually litigate
it's "patents", they will likely be thrown out of court and their
patents invalidated. So, it's using fear to get as much money as it can
(sound familiar?) for as long as it can.

If I wasn't so sure of MS before, this sort of behaviour seals the deal
IMHO. TTYL

2007\05\29@170304 by Art

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I read the whole thing-and it all seems perfectly logical to me.

If Bill drops a 100 dollar bill on the ground, it costs him more top
bend over and pick it up then it would for him to pretend he never
realized it and go on with his business::>

Seriously though, it's about market share.

Bill wants miscrosft to be known to the world, even in places that
don't have electrical power to run computers on. If it has anything
remotely to do wioth computers, it has to be associated with Bill.
Patents are not necessarily moneymakers for him, but are a means of
advertising and publicity.

In the end, Bill will own the world unless we stop him soon.
Eventually he will just step up to the MAN and ask 'how much to buy
the world?' When he gets the answer, he will simply say 'fine, it's a
deal, I brought cash'.

Microsoft is not about software, it's about owning (or controlling) the world.

Enjoy. Shields up.

Art

2007\05\29@212925 by Sean Schouten

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On 5/29/07, Art <EraseMEKY1Kspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTverizon.net> wrote:

> In the end, Bill will own the world unless we stop him soon.
> Eventually he will just step up to the MAN and ask 'how much to buy
> the world?' When he gets the answer, he will simply say 'fine, it's a
> deal, I brought cash'.
>
> Microsoft is not about software, it's about owning (or controlling) the
> world.
>
> Enjoy. Shields up.
>
> Art



Well... maybe us Europeans should watch out step because maybe, just maybe,
Bill (evil genius?) has this humongous red button situated right in the
middle of his desk, labeled; "drench Europe in a load of muck and havoc".
This big, red and obviously evil button will crash all windows based
computer systems on which we rely for our daily needs. The only obvious good
thing that can come of this is that we will be forced to pay him royalties
in potatoes and sand, because he also just unwittingly liquidated our bank
balance!

This little imaginary story of mine makes me wonder if HE has HIS financial
systems running under vista?

Sean


P.S: If it really does happen and the water at your local supermarket is
sold out, try buying milk. We had this e-coli-in-the-watersupply scare a
couple of weeks ago and all the bottled water was sold out. I noticed that
the milk was plentiful though.

2007\05\29@234125 by Rikard Bosnjakovic

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On 5/30/07, Sean Schouten <dev.seantechspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:

> P.S: If it really does happen and the water at your local supermarket is
> sold out, try buying milk. We had this e-coli-in-the-watersupply scare a
> couple of weeks ago and all the bottled water was sold out. I noticed that
> the milk was plentiful though.

Good advice!

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