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> I was so happy to see someone sing my song... Stupid MacIntardos, idiot MacBoys. Today my mixed network where I am forced to use both "Macs" and "PCs running XP" went down and caused me to miss an important appointment. I went from computer to computer...... The XP server was still up and the Macs were too dumb to know they were in the middle of a network crash. Sheesh.... They were still up and talkig to the server. Only the XP machines were sophisticated enough to disconnect from the network. All of them ..... talk about consistency of product. That is what I expect from Windows. And then I tried to do "a work around" and found the CD burner on the XP server was "taking a break". I mean is this new age or what ? Gus {Quote hidden}> On Jul 20, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Funny NYPD wrote: > > Thanks Tamas, > I just did exactly as your instruction. Cool. > It seems the IT really makes life a lot easy these days. > > I wish someday, there will be an Apple IPHONE-like platform or > similar products which is small in size but can function like my > desktop PC (low cost, standardize hardware and OS,etc.). > > Now it seems the beginning of smart phone with 3G speed. Hopefully > some day there will be a PC-standard like standard-platform which > you can run the same application program on all cell phones-like > device which is compatible to this standard. Something like the > staff selling on the IPHONE store but more open on structure and > resources. > > Apple still seems repeating its old mac failure story. It opened > some of the Iphone software/hardware resources to the public, but > still reserve most of the hardware and software resources > proprietary. E.g. third party still cannot use its serial port, > bluetooth module, etc. This limit the potential of applications on a > Iphone. My dream is running lphone or similar device like my laptop > but with voice and High-speed internet native to the device, and is > much smaller than my laptop. > > Hope the same thing happened on old Apple PC won't repeat on the > smart phone world again. >

??? Regards, Carlos. Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Movistar -----Original Message----- From: AGSCalabrese <spam_OUTagscalTakeThisOuTgmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:38:54 To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public.<.....piclistKILLspam@spam@mit.edu> Subject: [OT] MacIntosh Failure story...Was: Editing wikipedia pages -- was: Au Fleet Management System (FMS) Simulator > I was so happy to see someone sing my song... Stupid MacIntardos, idiot MacBoys. Today my mixed network where I am forced to use both "Macs" and "PCs running XP" went down and caused me to miss an important appointment. I went from computer to computer...... The XP server was still up and the Macs were too dumb to know they were in the middle of a network crash. Sheesh.... They were still up and talkig to the server. Only the XP machines were sophisticated enough to disconnect from the network. All of them ..... talk about consistency of product. That is what I expect from Windows. And then I tried to do "a work around" and found the CD burner on the XP server was "taking a break". I mean is this new age or what ? Gus {Quote hidden}> On Jul 20, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Funny NYPD wrote: > > Thanks Tamas, > I just did exactly as your instruction. Cool. > It seems the IT really makes life a lot easy these days. > > I wish someday, there will be an Apple IPHONE-like platform or > similar products which is small in size but can function like my > desktop PC (low cost, standardize hardware and OS,etc.). > > Now it seems the beginning of smart phone with 3G speed. Hopefully > some day there will be a PC-standard like standard-platform which > you can run the same application program on all cell phones-like > device which is compatible to this standard. Something like the > staff selling on the IPHONE store but more open on structure and > resources. > > Apple still seems repeating its old mac failure story. It opened > some of the Iphone software/hardware resources to the public, but > still reserve most of the hardware and software resources > proprietary. E.g. third party still cannot use its serial port, > bluetooth module, etc. This limit the potential of applications on a > Iphone. My dream is running lphone or similar device like my laptop > but with voice and High-speed internet native to the device, and is > much smaller than my laptop. > > Hope the same thing happened on old Apple PC won't repeat on the > smart phone world again. >

I dunno, not too many people using Amigas or Atari ST's anymore. Apple seems to have won that battle. And they seem to hang on to their fanbase despite their higher cost. They don't need to appeal to more than a single digit of market share. There's plenty of money right there, and it's easy for them. But everyone knows the TRS-80 model 100 was the ultimate laptop :) Cheerful regards, Bob On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:38:54 -0600, "AGSCalabrese" <agscalKILLspamgmail.com> said: > > > I was so happy to see someone sing my song... Stupid MacIntardos, -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are

Bob Blick wrote: > I dunno, not too many people using Amigas or Atari ST's anymore. Apple > seems to have won that battle. > > And they seem to hang on to their fanbase despite their higher cost. > They don't need to appeal to more than a single digit of market share. > There's plenty of money right there, and it's easy for them. > > But everyone knows the TRS-80 model 100 was the ultimate laptop :) > > Cheerful regards, > > Bob Nah, it'll never catch on. S100 bus, now there's a computer!

Concurred, had a Compupro, ran both the Z80, and the 8085/8088 that would run Dos, and Concurrent DOS. Gee back then CGA color was something special. To switch windows, it was CTL-1, 2, 3, or 4. I was going to one of these days try loading Concurrent Dos on this P4. I miss the 2 floppy ability. :( Marcel Duchamp wrote: {Quote hidden}> Bob Blick wrote: > >> I dunno, not too many people using Amigas or Atari ST's anymore. Apple >> seems to have won that battle. >> >> And they seem to hang on to their fanbase despite their higher cost. >> They don't need to appeal to more than a single digit of market share. >> There's plenty of money right there, and it's easy for them. >> >> But everyone knows the TRS-80 model 100 was the ultimate laptop :) >> >> Cheerful regards, >> >> Bob >> > > Nah, it'll never catch on. S100 bus, now there's a computer! >

{Quote hidden}> > On Jul 20, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Marcel Duchamp wrote: > > Bob Blick wrote: >> I dunno, not too many people using Amigas or Atari ST's anymore. >> Apple >> seems to have won that battle. >> >> And they seem to hang on to their fanbase despite their higher cost. >> They don't need to appeal to more than a single digit of market >> share. >> There's plenty of money right there, and it's easy for them. >> >> But everyone knows the TRS-80 model 100 was the ultimate laptop :) >> >> Cheerful regards, >> >> Bob > > Nah, it'll never catch on. S100 bus, now there's a computer! The S100 bus was the last time I understood a computer bus completely. POD

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:38 PM, AGSCalabrese<.....agscalKILLspam.....gmail.com> wrote: >> > I was so happy to see someone sing my song... Stupid MacIntardos, > idiot MacBoys. Â Today my mixed network where I am forced to use both > "Macs" and "PCs running XP" went down and caused me to miss an > important appointment. Â I went from computer to computer...... The XP > server was still up and the Macs were too dumb to know they were in > the middle of a network crash. Â Sheesh.... They were still up and > talkig to the server. Â Only the XP machines were sophisticated enough > to disconnect from the network. Â All of them ..... talk about > consistency of product. Â That is what I expect from Windows. Â And then > I tried to do "a work around" Â and found the CD burner on the XP > server was "taking a break". Â I mean is this new age or what ? > > Gus > If only more computer companies controlled both the hardware and software with an iron fist. - Martin

M.L. wrote: > If only more computer companies controlled both the hardware and > software with an iron fist. Are you serious? Do you really want to be restricted to use Microchip hardware only with Microchip software (and vice versa)? Or -- one step further -- only want to be able to program PICs with Microchip programmers? Only use Microsoft motherboards with Windows? Maybe only use Intel or AMD software with your processor? Only use your Internet provider's appliance (it has a screen, but no Ethernet connector :) with your Internet connection? I'm deeply grateful for open standards and attempts at interoperability. Gerhard

Theoretically you can use MacOS only on Apple HW, Microsoft whatever OS on Xbox, as far as I know there was only IBM AIX on RS6000 etc etc etc :-) That's not a Futurama, that's the reality :-) Tamas On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Gerhard Fiedler <EraseMElistsspam_OUTTakeThisOuTconnectionbrazil.com {Quote hidden}> wrote: > M.L. wrote: > > > If only more computer companies controlled both the hardware and > > software with an iron fist. > > Are you serious? Do you really want to be restricted to use Microchip > hardware only with Microchip software (and vice versa)? Or -- one step > further -- only want to be able to program PICs with Microchip > programmers? Only use Microsoft motherboards with Windows? Maybe only > use Intel or AMD software with your processor? Only use your Internet > provider's appliance (it has a screen, but no Ethernet connector :) with > your Internet connection? > > I'm deeply grateful for open standards and attempts at interoperability. > > Gerhard > -

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Gerhard Fiedler<listsspam_OUTconnectionbrazil.com> wrote: > M.L. wrote: > >> If only more computer companies controlled both the hardware and >> software with an iron fist. > > Are you serious? Do you really want to be restricted to use Microchip > hardware only with Microchip software (and vice versa)? Or -- one step > further -- only want to be able to program PICs with Microchip > programmers? Only use Microsoft motherboards with Windows? Maybe only > use Intel or AMD software with your processor? Only use your Internet > provider's appliance (it has a screen, but no Ethernet connector :) with > your Internet connection? > > I'm deeply grateful for open standards and attempts at interoperability. > > Gerhard I thought the sarcasm was obvious. No, I don't think we need more companies that control hardware+software. That's leftover from the 80s AFAIK and I don't think anyone but Apple could succeed at it. Unless you count Microsoft with it's XBox, but that's hardly considered a general purpose computer (yes, I know people use it as such in some limited cases.) A quick Google search shows that at least one company makes Apple clones. I'm not up-to-date on Apple's frivolous lawsuits. It seems they would have less of a leg to stand on since Macs are 99% "PC" now. - Martin

{Quote hidden}> > On Jul 23, 2009, at 6:03 AM, M.L. wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Gerhard > Fiedler<@spam@listsKILLspamconnectionbrazil.com> wrote: >> M.L. wrote: >> >>> If only more computer companies controlled both the hardware and >>> software with an iron fist. >> >> Are you serious? Do you really want to be restricted to use Microchip >> hardware only with Microchip software (and vice versa)? Or -- one >> step >> further -- only want to be able to program PICs with Microchip >> programmers? Only use Microsoft motherboards with Windows? Maybe only >> use Intel or AMD software with your processor? Only use your Internet >> provider's appliance (it has a screen, but no Ethernet connector :) >> with >> your Internet connection? >> >> I'm deeply grateful for open standards and attempts at >> interoperability. >> >> Gerhard > > I thought the sarcasm was obvious. No, I don't think we need more > companies that control hardware+software. That's leftover from the 80s > AFAIK and I don't think anyone but Apple could succeed at it. Unless > you count Microsoft with it's XBox, but that's hardly considered a > general purpose computer (yes, I know people use it as such in some > limited cases.) > > A quick Google search shows that at least one company makes Apple > clones. I'm not up-to-date on Apple's frivolous lawsuits. It seems > they would have less of a leg to stand on since Macs are 99% "PC" now. > > - > Martin > -- I am happy to see both the iron fist and the anarchy of white boxes. In a FREE MARKET , you can pick what flavour you want today. Most lawsuits are a bad thing to have happen. Gus