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Want to get arrested? See what happened to SuperCircuits (one of the companies mentioned on this list frequently). http://www.2600.com/news/1999/1218.html Andy ================================================================== New Microprocessor support forum mail list - details on our site ------------------------------------------------------------------ spam_OUTandyTakeThisOuTrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats .....andyKILLspam@spam@montanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics ==================================================================

Same thing happened to Ramsey Electronics. You can go to slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/01/04/2316228&mode=nocomment to read the owner's account of the FBI raid on Ramsey (yes, it was actually a raid, like what you would expect if Ramsey were selling drugs), as well as read or participate in an ongoing discussion of the event. Very interesting. They are mainly targetting devices which are already built into deceptive housings (clocks, smoke alarms, etc) as they /are/ illegal, they are also hitting devices which are advertised as devices to be used in deceptive settings (ie, radio transmitter that can be hidden anywhere! or Pinhole cameras, make your own hidden cameras!). It appears as though they've taken many of the kit forms of FM transmitters and such as well... This is a hotly debated issue on Slashdot, one side saying the feds took transmitters which are used by boy scouts and schools, and ignoring the hidden mic and camera part; the other side citing various criminal codes and their own privacy issues (ie, I don't want my employer to be able to get one of the clocks nd place it in my work area, and technically it /is/ illegal to manufacture/sell/ship these items, nevermind actually using the for criminal activities.) -Adam engineers never lie; we just approximate the truth. Andy Kunz wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Want to get arrested? See what happened to SuperCircuits (one of the > companies mentioned on this list frequently). > > http://www.2600.com/news/1999/1218.html > > Andy > > ================================================================== > New Microprocessor support forum mail list - details on our site > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > andyKILLspamrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats > .....andyKILLspam.....montanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics > ==================================================================

We had *all* better watch out for the FEDs! PICs and BASIC Stamps just *might* be used to make timers for terrorist bombs! Time for another "Tea Party" ? Next time, we should throw the *politicians* in the river and *drink* the tea! On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:54:43 -0500, M. Adam Davis wrote: >Same thing happened to Ramsey Electronics. You can go to >slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/01/04/2316228&mode=nocomment >to read the owner's account of the FBI raid on Ramsey (yes, it was >actually a raid, like what you would expect if Ramsey were selling >drugs), as well as read or participate in an ongoing discussion of the >event.

>Want to get arrested? See what happened to SuperCircuits (one of the >companies mentioned on this list frequently). > > http://www.2600.com/news/1999/1218.html > >Andy A Linda Trip case was mentioned. What was that about? Never heard of it. is there a rule in US law that make the possesion of *spy-equipment* an offense or should criminal intent be proven? Any US lawyers amongst the pickers. it sounds like commie hunting all over again. VK2GWK - HENK

Linda Tripp secretly taped the conversations she had with Monika Lewinsky about her (ML's) relationship with Bill Clinton. Then it all went public...... After being in the news for at least a year surprised you don't know about it. The rest of us got pretty sick and tired of it. Jinx > > A Linda Trip case was mentioned. What was that about? Never heard of it. > is there a rule in US law that make the possesion of *spy-equipment* an > offense or should criminal intent be proven? Any US lawyers amongst the > pickers. it sounds like commie hunting all over again. > VK2GWK - HENK >

There was a Russian spy recently in the news for using a listening device to hear what's going on in the state department. Was it a Ramsey kit? Harold On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:09:44 +1300 Jinx <EraseMEjoecolquittspam_OUTTakeThisOuTCLEAR.NET.NZ> writes: {Quote hidden}> Linda Tripp secretly taped the conversations she had with Monika > Lewinsky about her (ML's) relationship with Bill Clinton. Then it > all > went public...... After being in the news for at least a year > surprised > you don't know about it. The rest of us got pretty sick and tired of > it. > > Jinx > > > > > A Linda Trip case was mentioned. What was that about? Never heard > of it. > > is there a rule in US law that make the possesion of > *spy-equipment* an > > offense or should criminal intent be proven? Any US lawyers > amongst the > > pickers. it sounds like commie hunting all over again. > > VK2GWK - HENK > > FCC Rules Online at http://hallikainen.com/FccRules Lighting control for theatre and television at http://www.dovesystems.com

Gee, if the US is getting rid of everything that could be used to do Very Bad Things, maybe they should get rid of: Combustible Fuel Computers CD-Recordables Model Rockets Amateur Radio Radio Scanners Every other country on the face of the Earth Individual thought and inspiration Matches Lighters Laser Pointers Magnifying Glasses (you can burn stuff with 'em!) Fire-fighting robots (they make mistake an agent performing a raid as needing to be extinguished!) Hey, if they can't trust honest businesspeople, maybe they should just lock every citizen in jail, where they can keep a close eye on them. END RANT. -Randy http://i.am/PICxpert - PICxpertspam_OUTtechie.com ICQ Nickname: PICxpert - Fax: (208) 330-3630 {Original Message removed}

On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:12:25 -0500, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>Gee, if the US is getting rid of everything that could be used to do Very Bad Things, maybe they >should get rid of: > >Combustible Fuel >Computers >CD-Recordables >Model Rockets >Amateur Radio >Radio Scanners >Every other country on the face of the Earth >Individual thought and inspiration >Matches >Lighters >Laser Pointers >Magnifying Glasses (you can burn stuff with 'em!) >Fire-fighting robots (they make mistake an agent performing a raid as needing to be extinguished!) > >Hey, if they can't trust honest businesspeople, maybe they should just lock every citizen in jail, >where they can keep a close eye on them. > >END RANT. > >-Randy How about that Day-trader that went postal a few months ago and killed his entire family with a hammer and then a few of his coworkers with a gun. I personally think we need more hammer-control legislation! Dave Duley

> >gun. I personally think we need more hammer-control legislation! > How about a PIC embedded in the handle of the hammer? Maybe the hammer head could be used as a proximity sensor to ensure that only metal objects, such as nails and car engines were to be struck? I could use a hammer controller that would do mid course corrections to hit the nail instead of my thumb.... Howard Howard McGinnis @spam@hmcginniKILLspamdigital.net Electronic Visions, Inc. 1650 Barrett Drive Rockledge FL 32955 (407) 632-7530 http://ddi.digital.net/~hmcginni KILLspammcginnisKILLspame-visions.com

How 'bout a laser-guided hammer retrofit kit? Yes, a seeker head and fin kit that could be attached to a normal, dumb hammer. You then just need a laser designator. Designate the nail and flail away, every stroke will hit ;-) Sean At 01:25 PM 1/6/00 -0500, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>> >>gun. I personally think we need more hammer-control legislation! >> > >How about a PIC embedded in the handle of the hammer? Maybe the hammer head >could be used as a proximity sensor to ensure that only metal objects, such >as nails and car engines were to be struck? I could use a hammer controller >that would do mid course corrections to hit the nail instead of my thumb.... > >Howard > >Howard McGinnis >RemoveMEhmcginniTakeThisOuTdigital.net >Electronic Visions, Inc. >1650 Barrett Drive >Rockledge FL 32955 >(407) 632-7530 >http://ddi.digital.net/~hmcginni >spamBeGonemcginnisspamBeGonee-visions.com > | | Sean Breheny | Amateur Radio Callsign: KA3YXM | Electrical Engineering Student \--------------=---------------- Save lives, please look at http://www.all.org Personal page: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/shb7 TakeThisOuTshb7EraseMEspam_OUTcornell.edu ICQ #: 3329174 __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Randy Glenn wrote: > > Gee, if the US is getting rid of everything that could be used to do Very Bad Things, maybe they > should get rid of: > ... PICs; Atmels; EPRoms; Watches; (Had to laugh at the news medias' reporting that terr who got caught recently, who had digital watches with some backup - they called these "sophisticated" timing devices; Cheap, YES, but sorta old technology!) Old Files (Company here tempers 'em, grinds them into SOLID knives, then re-hardens them - Good for hacking an aircraft panel open if you need to on a search, which was why I bought mine <G>) Wood (Figure-4 deadfalls are nasty!); Bridges (Drunk people drive off 'em); Water (People drown in it daily!); Food (People eat too much and it's bad for their health!)... > Hey, if they can't trust honest businesspeople, maybe they should just lock every citizen in jail, > where they can keep a close eye on them. > > END RANT. > > -Randy > http://i.am/PICxpert - RemoveMEPICxpertTakeThisOuTtechie.com > ICQ Nickname: PICxpert - Fax: (208) 330-3630 IMO they've gone off the deep end, yet again - From an administration who won't prosecute convicted felons who try to buy firearms, knowing that that is another felony, what would you expect but for them to pick on "dangerous" people like Ramsey Electronics and other such "obviously bad people"? Absolutely astonishing, IMO. Mark -- I re-ship for small US & overseas businesses, world-wide. (For private individuals at cost; ask.)

*SNIP* > > IMO they've gone off the deep end, yet again - From an administration > who won't prosecute convicted felons who try to buy firearms, knowing > that that is another felony, what would you expect but for them to pick > on "dangerous" people like Ramsey Electronics and other such "obviously > bad people"? Absolutely astonishing, IMO. > > Mark > > -- > I re-ship for small US & overseas businesses, world-wide. > (For private individuals at cost; ask.) WEll, what about all these news agencies that use all these hidden cameras for all these sting and expose' pieces that you see on 20-20 and all the other "news-glam" garbage? Then, all the drug busts that are made with these little hidden cameras need to be thrown out, and the agents who used them need to be thrown in.. Rob

At 01:25 PM 1/6/2000 -0500, you wrote: >> >>gun. I personally think we need more hammer-control legislation! >> > >How about a PIC embedded in the handle of the hammer? Maybe the hammer head >could be used as a proximity sensor to ensure that only metal objects, such >as nails and car engines were to be struck? I could use a hammer controller >that would do mid course corrections to hit the nail instead of my thumb.... Those would be outlawed, too, because they could be used to target the steel plate in the heads of these politicians and such who've had lobotomies. Andy ================================================================== New Microprocessor support forum mail list - details on our site ------------------------------------------------------------------ andyEraseME.....rc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats EraseMEandymontanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics ==================================================================

Hi, you forget even spectacles, arteficial fertilizers, any kind of drugs, ropes, needles, guns, knives, bones (they can be VERY hard!), etc. Maybe, humans should be also prohibited following this logic! Imre On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Randy Glenn wrote: {Quote hidden}> Gee, if the US is getting rid of everything that could be used to do Very Bad Things, maybe they > should get rid of: > > Combustible Fuel > Computers > CD-Recordables > Model Rockets > Amateur Radio > Radio Scanners > Every other country on the face of the Earth > Individual thought and inspiration > Matches > Lighters > Laser Pointers > Magnifying Glasses (you can burn stuff with 'em!) > Fire-fighting robots (they make mistake an agent performing a raid as needing to be extinguished!) > > Hey, if they can't trust honest businesspeople, maybe they should just lock every citizen in jail, > where they can keep a close eye on them. > > END RANT. > > -Randy > http://i.am/PICxpert - RemoveMEPICxpertEraseMEEraseMEtechie.com > ICQ Nickname: PICxpert - Fax: (208) 330-3630 > > {Original Message removed}

Howard McGinnis wrote: > > > >gun. I personally think we need more hammer-control legislation! > > > > How about a PIC embedded in the handle of the hammer? Maybe the hammer head > could be used as a proximity sensor to ensure that only metal objects, such > as nails and car engines were to be struck? I could use a hammer controller > that would do mid course corrections to hit the nail instead of my thumb.... But that'd probably require miniature thruster-rockets mounted on the hammer's shaft - but then *they'd* have to be banned... PJH

You cannot idiot-proof a country that is run by idiots. -----Original Message----- From: Randy A. <RemoveMECnc002spam_OUTKILLspamAOL.COM> To: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU <EraseMEPICLISTspamspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Legal woes >Here on the Hammer-Control Legislation, makes about as much sense as all the >other "Control" legislation. When will they learn you can't "idiot proof" >the country? > > >Randy A.

> You can't legislate for idiots in a country run by idiots *29 have been accused of spousal abuse *7 have been arrested for fraud *19 have been accused of writing bad checks *117 have bankrupted at least two businesses *3 have been arrested for assault *71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit *14 have been arrested on drug-related charges *8 have been arrested for shoplifting *21 are current defendants in lawsuits *In 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving It's the 535 members of your United States Congress. The same group that perpetually cranks out hundreds upon hundreds of new laws designed to keep the rest of us/you in line.

>It's the 535 members of your United States Congress. The same group that >perpetually cranks out hundreds upon hundreds of new laws designed to >keep the rest of us/you in line. They aren't as much of a problem as the folks who are non-elected officials in the various departments. They aren't accountable to anybody, really, and have free roam over our rights. Andy ================================================================== New Microprocessor support forum mail list - details on our site ------------------------------------------------------------------ RemoveMEandyKILLspamrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats andySTOPspamspam_OUTmontanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics ==================================================================

Howard McGinnis wrote: > >gun. I personally think we need more hammer-control legislation! > > > > How about a PIC embedded in the handle of the hammer? Maybe the hammer head > could be used as a proximity sensor to ensure that only metal objects, such > as nails and car engines were to be struck? I could use a hammer controller > that would do mid course corrections to hit the nail instead of my thumb.... > > Howard Great, now all a psycho has to do is tape a nail onto the end of the hammer, and they can hammer said nail into my head. Or just pick up a rock and tie a rope net onto it & swing said weapon. Doesn't it make better sense to punish the person doing the objected-to ACTION, instead of the Tool? <G> Mark -- I re-ship for small US & overseas businesses, world-wide. (For private individuals at cost; ask.)

Rob wrote: {Quote hidden}> > *SNIP* > > > > > IMO they've gone off the deep end, yet again - From an administration > > who won't prosecute convicted felons who try to buy firearms, knowing > > that that is another felony, what would you expect but for them to pick > > on "dangerous" people like Ramsey Electronics and other such "obviously > > bad people"? Absolutely astonishing, IMO. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > I re-ship for small US & overseas businesses, world-wide. > > (For private individuals at cost; ask.) > > WEll, what about all these news agencies that use all these hidden cameras > for all these sting and expose' pieces that you see on 20-20 and all the > other "news-glam" garbage? > > Then, all the drug busts that are made with these little hidden cameras need > to be thrown out, and the agents who used them need to be thrown in.. > > Rob But, if Government does a bad thing (something that if you or I did, we'd be "languishing" in prison for, for years), that's a Good thing, isn't it? Because Government Can Do No Wrong, and Might Makes Right? Um... It all sounds very 1984-think to me. Prosecution by the emotions of the politician of the minute. Mark -- I re-ship for small US & overseas businesses, world-wide. (For private individuals at cost; ask.)