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Ralph Weaver wrote: > > Thank you for your run down on basic electrical terms. I am pretty much > familure with them. Dont think your rundown was wasted though. I did > learn something from it: How to type degrees. I have always wondered how > to do that. > Ralph Ralph, we are all beginners, doesn't matter how much a person knows, he will still in the newbie seat all his life. An old chinese proverb: "The one that thinks that knows everything, knows nothing, and the one that thinks that know nothing, already started to know something". A popular: "The best news can be read from old newspapers and old magazines at the bathroom". By the way, what do you read at the bathroom? :) I extended that idea and some experiences at this webpage: http://www.ustr.net/newbies1.htm -------------------------------------------------------- Wagner Lipnharski - UST Research Inc. - Orlando, Florida Forum and microcontroller web site: http://www.ustr.net Microcontrollers Survey: http://www.ustr.net/tellme.htm

-----Original Message----- From: Wagner Lipnharski <spam_OUTwagnerlTakeThisOuTEARTHLINK.NET> >We are all beginners, doesn't matter how much a >person knows, he will still in the newbie seat all his life. > >An old chinese proverb: >"The one that thinks that knows everything, knows nothing, >and the one that thinks that know nothing, already started >to know something". Wise words, Wagner. I was just reflecting this morning on how fast I have to learn stuff. It is to the point that if I am not learning anything, I'm bored. By day I am the guy that knows all about electronics and CAD and computers in an electronics/CAD/Computer imparied office full of mechanical engineers, by night I am a clumsy beginning dance student stumbling along among a bunch of better dancers. I get to be the ultimate newbie. I am therefore highly concerned that new people on the PIClist get a welcoming response, get basic questions answered well, and don't get the "IDIOT! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT ALREADY AND WE DISCUSSED IT LAST WEEK TO DEATH!" mantra. Yes we did discuss it to death last week, but this week there's a new person that wasn't around for that discussion. That new person needs gentle and patient guidance at their own pace.

Lawrence Lile wrote: {Quote hidden}> > -----Original Message----- > From: Wagner Lipnharski <.....wagnerlKILLspam@spam@EARTHLINK.NET> > > >We are all beginners, doesn't matter how much a > >person knows, he will still in the newbie seat all his life. > > > >An old chinese proverb: > >"The one that thinks that knows everything, knows nothing, > >and the one that thinks that know nothing, already started > >to know something". > > Wise words, Wagner. I was just reflecting this morning on how fast I have > to learn stuff. It is to the point that if I am not learning anything, I'm > bored. > > By day I am the guy that knows all about electronics and CAD and computers > in an electronics/CAD/Computer imparied office full of mechanical engineers, > by night I am a clumsy beginning dance student stumbling along among a bunch > of better dancers. I get to be the ultimate newbie. I am therefore highly > concerned that new people on the PIClist get a welcoming response, get basic > questions answered well, and don't get the "IDIOT! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT > ALREADY AND WE DISCUSSED IT LAST WEEK TO DEATH!" mantra. Yes we did discuss > it to death last week, but this week there's a new person that wasn't around > for that discussion. That new person needs gentle and patient guidance at > their own pace. Learning is a difficult task, even that ironically rewarded with the knowledge that as much as you learn, you also increase the frustration by how little you know and how much exist up front. (ignorance = domain of a whole small world = happiness) My father (82 yrs old) is happy because he knows everything that is possible to know, for his simplicity. I am unhappy, sometimes is difficult to find the right chip datasheet in the 100 or more technical books I have in the shelves. Internet shows us how much "collective knowledge" we have available and the little time to read it all. Remember, learn is a mind shaking experience, and it is a natural ability of the human mind, even that it needs exercise, and works differently from one person to another. It is free, and there is no limit in our mind to store information, again, it is free and so vast that one person can not be measured by how much he knows, but mostly by how he uses it. I know very little about PIC (for example), my base knowledge is motorola, intel, philips, (and this is why I am here, to learn about it), but this lack of knowledge does not make me small or inferior, rather than, the desire to learn makes me big and important, and everyone must respect it, to also have its own ignorance respected. There is a little nice story, reduced here, about a small fish that jumped out of the aquarium where it was living with other fish, through the drain into a little pond (retention water, very small lake), he saw marvelous and got fascinated about how vast it was, how many things to see and do, remembering about the ignorant friends living in the small world the fish returned to the aquarium. The fish told the others about the fantastic outside world in the pond. An old fish said that the pond was nothing, he made that journey once, and ended up in an infinite endless world, a river. All other fish stared at that story. Five inches from the aquarium, at the wall, there was a poster of sunset over the ocean. -------------------------------------------------------- Wagner Lipnharski - UST Research Inc. - Orlando, Florida Forum and microcontroller web site: http://www.ustr.net Microcontrollers Survey: http://www.ustr.net/tellme.htm

{Quote hidden}> Ralph Weaver wrote: > > > > Thank you for your run down on basic electrical terms. I am pretty much > > familure with them. Dont think your rundown was wasted though. I did > > learn something from it: How to type degrees. I have always wondered how > > to do that. > > Ralph > > Ralph, we are all beginners, doesn't matter how much a > person knows, he will still in the newbie seat all his life. > > An old chinese proverb: > "The one that thinks that knows everything, knows nothing, > and the one that thinks that know nothing, already started > to know something". > > A popular: > "The best news can be read from old newspapers and old > magazines at the bathroom". > > By the way, what do you read at the bathroom? :) > The wall usually....