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1999\03\13@135357 by Wagner Lipnharski

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Ralph Weaver wrote:
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> Thank you for your run down on basic electrical terms. I am pretty much
> familure with them. Dont think your rundown was wasted though. I did
> learn something from it: How to type degrees. I have always wondered how
> to do that.
> Ralph

Ralph, we are all beginners, doesn't matter how much a
person knows, he will still in the newbie seat all his life.

An old chinese proverb:
"The one that thinks that knows everything, knows nothing,
and the one that thinks that know nothing, already started
to know something".

A popular:
"The best news can be read from old newspapers and old
magazines at the bathroom".

By the way, what do you read at the bathroom? :)

I extended that idea and some experiences at this webpage:
http://www.ustr.net/newbies1.htm
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Wagner Lipnharski - UST Research Inc. - Orlando, Florida
Forum and microcontroller web site:  http://www.ustr.net
Microcontrollers Survey:  http://www.ustr.net/tellme.htm

1999\03\15@095740 by Lawrence Lile

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-----Original Message-----
From: Wagner Lipnharski <spam_OUTwagnerlTakeThisOuTspamEARTHLINK.NET>


>We are all beginners, doesn't matter how much a
>person knows, he will still in the newbie seat all his life.
>
>An old chinese proverb:
>"The one that thinks that knows everything, knows nothing,
>and the one that thinks that know nothing, already started
>to know something".



Wise words, Wagner.  I was just reflecting this morning on how fast I have
to learn stuff.  It is to the point that if I am not learning anything, I'm
bored.

By day I am the guy that knows all about electronics and CAD and computers
in an electronics/CAD/Computer imparied office full of mechanical engineers,
by night I am a clumsy beginning dance student stumbling along among a bunch
of better dancers.  I get to be the ultimate newbie.  I am therefore highly
concerned that new people on the PIClist get a welcoming response, get basic
questions answered well, and don't get the "IDIOT! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT
ALREADY AND WE DISCUSSED IT LAST WEEK TO DEATH!" mantra.  Yes we did discuss
it to death last week, but this week there's a new person that wasn't around
for that discussion.  That new person needs gentle and patient guidance at
their own pace.

1999\03\15@130351 by Wagner Lipnharski

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Lawrence Lile wrote:
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Learning is a difficult task, even that ironically rewarded with the
knowledge that as much as you learn, you also increase the frustration
by how little you know and how much exist up front. (ignorance = domain
of a whole small world = happiness) My father (82 yrs old) is happy
because he knows everything that is possible to know, for his
simplicity. I am unhappy, sometimes is difficult to find the right chip
datasheet in the 100 or more technical books I have in the shelves.
Internet shows us how much "collective knowledge" we have available and
the little time to read it all. Remember, learn is a mind shaking
experience, and it is a natural ability of the human mind, even that it
needs exercise, and works differently from one person to another. It is
free, and there is no limit in our mind to store information, again, it
is free and so vast that one person can not be measured by how much he
knows, but mostly by how he uses it.  I know very little about PIC (for
example), my base knowledge is motorola, intel, philips, (and this is
why I am here, to learn about it), but this lack of knowledge does not
make me small or inferior, rather than, the desire to learn makes me big
and important, and everyone must respect it, to also have its own
ignorance respected.

There is a little nice story, reduced here, about a small fish that
jumped out of the aquarium where it was living with other fish, through
the drain into a little pond (retention water, very small lake), he saw
marvelous and got fascinated about how vast it was, how many things to
see and do, remembering about the ignorant friends living in the small
world the fish returned to the aquarium. The fish told the others about
the fantastic outside world in the pond.  An old fish said that the pond
was nothing, he made that journey once, and ended up in an infinite
endless world, a river. All other fish stared at that story. Five inches
from the aquarium, at the wall, there was a poster of sunset over the
ocean.
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Wagner Lipnharski - UST Research Inc. - Orlando, Florida
Forum and microcontroller web site:  http://www.ustr.net
Microcontrollers Survey:  http://www.ustr.net/tellme.htm

1999\03\16@072022 by chris hornby

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