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2011\03\22@133754 by Bob Blick

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 06:11 +1300, "RussellMc" wrote:
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I wish the "lock keyboard" sequence could be done with one hand.
WindowsKey-L is sometimes tough to do when the cat is in midair heading
for the lap and the laptop is in the way >^..^<

PADs was very good about having both keyboard and mouse control up until
it was updated from PCB to PowerPCB. Then a lot of keyboard shortcuts
disappeared.

Cheers,

Bob


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2011\03\22@140651 by Philip Pemberton

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On 22/03/11 17:37, Bob Blick wrote:
> I wish the "lock keyboard" sequence could be done with one hand.
> WindowsKey-L is sometimes tough to do when the cat is in midair heading
> for the lap and the laptop is in the way>^..^<

No problem doing it one-handed here. My keyboard has two "windows" keys: one on the left of L-Alt, one on the right of Alt-Gr.

So to do a one-handed lock: hold R-Win with your right thumb, then tap L with your right index finger. Not the most ergonomically friendly way of doing it, but it works. Little finger on R-Win and middle finger on L also works and might be a fraction more comfortable (though takes a bit of practice).

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2011\03\22@141406 by Olin Lathrop

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Philip Pemberton wrote:
>> I wish the "lock keyboard" sequence could be done with one hand.
>> WindowsKey-L is sometimes tough to do when the cat is in midair
>> heading for the lap and the laptop is in the way>^..^<
>
> No problem doing it one-handed here. My keyboard has two "windows"
> keys: one on the left of L-Alt, one on the right of Alt-Gr.
>
> So to do a one-handed lock: hold R-Win with your right thumb, then
> tap L with your right index finger. Not the most ergonomically
> friendly way of doing it, but it works. Little finger on R-Win and
> middle finger on L also works and might be a fraction more
> comfortable (though takes a bit of practice).

On my keyboard, which I think is pretty normal for the US, there is a ALT
key on either side of the space bar.  Sliding the right thumb over to the
right ALT key then hittin L with the right middle finger is pretty easy.


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2011\03\22@141751 by Bob Blick

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:06 +0000, "Philip Pemberton" wrote:
> On 22/03/11 17:37, Bob Blick wrote:
> > I wish the "lock keyboard" sequence could be done with one hand.
> > WindowsKey-L is sometimes tough to do when the cat is in midair heading
> > for the lap and the laptop is in the way>^..^<
>
> No problem doing it one-handed here. My keyboard has two "windows" keys:
> one on the left of L-Alt, one on the right of Alt-Gr.
>
> So to do a one-handed lock: hold R-Win with your right thumb, then tap L
> with your right index finger. Not the most ergonomically friendly way of
> doing it, but it works. Little finger on R-Win and middle finger on L
> also works and might be a fraction more comfortable (though takes a bit
> of practice).

Darn laptops only have one WinKey, on the left. I can do L-WinKey and an
L with one hand, but it requires a bit of contortion.

I suppose there's a way to add a custom key combination to do the same
thing, but it probably wouldn't work if a Flash window had the focus.

Cheers,

Bob

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2011\03\22@143852 by Isaac Marino Bavaresco

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Em 22/3/2011 15:17, Bob Blick escreveu:
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My Toshiba Satellite has the WinKey at the top-right corner. It is easy
to press it with the little finger and the L with the thumb of the
right-hand.

Isaac

2011\03\22@150025 by Matt Pobursky

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:17:46 -0700, Bob Blick wrote:
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> Darn laptops only have one WinKey, on the left. I can do L-WinKey and an
> L with one hand, but it requires a bit of contortion.
>
> I suppose there's a way to add a custom key combination to do the same
> thing, but it probably wouldn't work if a Flash window had the focus.

Ctrl-Esc works as the WinKey on any version of Windows I've run across.

My trusty Northgate Omnikey 102 keyboards (I have 5 of them!) don't even
have a Win key and have the Ctrl, Alt and CapsLock keys in the "proper"
positions -- Ctrl to the left of "A", Left Shift to the left of "Z", Alt in
lower lefthand corner and Caps Lock next to spacebar, much like the old IBM
AT keyboards. Works well for Ctrl and Alt key shortcut combinations used by
Windows and most CAD applications. The keyboards also have a metal chassis,
weigh about 5 lbs. so they don't slide around and use quality Alps
mechanical switches which are clicky and last forever...

I've been using these keyboards since the early 90's and I'll never give
them up until they all die.

The newer Win keyboards all feel mushy to me and the Caps Lock is where I
expect Left Shift to be.

Matt Pobursky
Maximum Performance Systems

2011\03\22@173219 by Bob Blick

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:00 -0500, "Matt Pobursky"
<.....piclistKILLspamspam@spam@mps-design.com> wrote:

> Ctrl-Esc works as the WinKey on any version of Windows I've run across.

Ctrl-Esc pulls up the Start menu like the Win key but doesn't allow me
to chord it with any other keys.

So far the cat hasn't made any purchases and only sent one email. If he
sees the keyboard he will try to avoid it if he thinks about it, but I
don't think cats are as smart as dogs where it comes to physical
behavior or interactions with people. It takes about two weeks to train
one to use a pull-open cat door:

http://bobblick.com/yumyum_hi.wmv

Bob

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2011\03\22@205521 by RussellMc

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> and have the Ctrl, Alt and CapsLock keys in the "proper"
> positions -- Ctrl to the left of "A", Left Shift to the left of "Z", Alt in
> lower lefthand corner and Caps Lock next to spacebar, much like the old IBM
> AT keyboards. Works well for Ctrl and Alt key shortcut combinations used by
> Windows and most CAD applications.

Bingo!
That's the key configuration I was referring to that the original
Wordstar commands were built around.
It makes various left-side-of-keyboard Ctrl/Shift/Alt left hand only
combinations very "span efficient" and rapid.
Once the brain acquires the pattern-function match the results 'just
happen' at about the speed of write.

When the keyboard layout was changed it was not at all apparent that
any superior purpose was served by the change. So far it still isn't
:).

The  "Ctrl and Alt key shortcut combinations used by Windows and most
CAD applications. that you refere to were either originated by
Wordstar or (quite possibly) had already been evolved way back when,
and Wordstar was what brought them to the masses, and to me. ("Now
fades the glimmering landscape on the sight, and all the world a
solemn stillness holds ..." :-) ).

NOW LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordStar

http://www.wordstar.org/

IMSAI!!!, Micropor, Ed, NED,
http://www.wordstar.org/wordstar/history/history.htm

!
http://www.wordstar.org/wsdos/pages/downloads.htm

inventors.about.com/od/wstartinventions/a/WordStar.htm
http://home.nycap.rr.com/wlarmon/scrounge/wordstar.htm

__________________________

Agh !!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.wordstar.org/wsdos/kb/Q2002.htm

WordStar for DOS (All Versions)

WordStar for DOS Commands Reference

Introduction

Based on the WordStar version 3.0 command set

       Command Groups
               No File Menu
               Help Menus
               Cursor Movement
               Scrolling
               Basic Editing
               Formatting
               File/Block Operation
               Search & Replace
               Saving Files
               Printer Controls
               Miscelleneous
               Dot Commands
               Mailmerge Dot Commands
               Character Pitch
               Line Height
No-File Commands

Description        Command        Notes
Open Document file        D        
Rename file        E (^ KE)        
File directory on/off        F (^ KF)        
Set help level        H (^ JH)        
Changed logged disk        L (^ KL)        
Run mailmerge (optional)        M        
Open non-document        N        
Copy file        O (^ KO)        
Print file        P (^ KP)        
Run program        R        
Run SpellStar (optional)        S        
Exit to operating system        X        
Delete file/td>        Y (^ KJ)        
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Help Menus

Description        Command        Notes
Help menu        ^ J        
Block menu        ^ K        
Onscreen menu        ^ O        
Print menu        ^ P        
Quick menu        ^ Q        
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Cursor Movement

Description        Command        Notes
Right character        ^ D        
Left character        ^ S        
Up line        ^ E        
Down line        ^ X        
Right word        ^ F        
Left word        ^ A        
Tab right        ^ I        
Top of screen        ^ QE        
Bottom of screen        ^ QX        
Beginning of file        ^ QR        
End of file        ^ QC        
Right end of line        ^ QD        
Left side of screen        ^ QS        
Block beginning        ^ QB        
Block end        ^ QK        
Find misspelling        ^ QL        
Position before previous command        ^ QP        
Start of last find/replace        ^ QV        
To marker 0-9        ^ Q0-Q9        
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Scrolling

Description        Command        Notes
Down line        ^ W        
Up line        ^ Z        
Up screenfull        ^ C        
Down screenfull        ^ R        
Continuous up scroll        ^ QZ        
Continuous down scroll        ^ QW        
TOP

Basic Editing Commands

Description        Command        Notes
Delete character        ^ G        
Delete character left        DEL        also ^ H
Delete word right        ^ T        
Delete line        ^ Y        
Delete to end of line        ^ QY        
Delete to beginning of line        ^ Q DEL        also ^ QT
Insert on/off        ^ V        
Insert carriage return (blank line)        ^ N        
Reform paragraph        ^ B        
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Formatting

Description        Command        Notes
Paragraph tab        ^ OG        
Variable tabbing on/off        ^ OV        
Center line        ^ OC        
Left margin set        ^ OL        
Right margin set        ^ OR        
Margin release        ^ OX        
Set margins and tabs from file        ^ OF        
Tab set        ^ OI        
Tab clear        ^ ON        
Justification on/off        ^ OJ        
Line space setting        ^ OS        
Page break display on/off        ^ OP        
Ruler display on/off        ^ OT        
Word wrap on/off        ^ OW        
Print control display on/off        ^ OD        
Hyphen help on/off        ^ OH        
Soft hyphen entry on/off        ^ OE        
TOP

File/Block Operation

Description        Command        Notes
Column mode on/off        ^ KN        
Mark block beginning        ^ KB        
Mark block end        ^ KK        
Hide/display block        ^ KH        
Copy block        ^ KC        
Delete block        ^ KY        
Move block        ^ KV        
Write block to file        ^ KW        
Set/hide marker 0-9        ^ K0-K9        
Read file into text        ^ KR        
Copy file        ^ KO        
Rename file        ^ KE        
TOP

Search & Replace

Description        Command        Notes
Find string        ^ QF        
Find & replace        ^ QA        
Find/replace again        ^ L        
TOP

Saving Files

Description        Command        Notes
Save and resume        ^ KS        
Save, done edit        ^ KD        
Save, exit to operating system        ^ KX        
Abandon edits        ^ KQ        
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Printer Controls

Description        Command        Notes
Alternate pitch (12cpi)        ^ PA        
Boldface begin/end        ^ PB        
Double strike begin/end        ^ PD        
Non-breaking space        ^ PO        
Overprint next character        ^ PH        
Overprint next line        ^ P RETURN        
Print pause        ^ PC        
Ribbon color change        ^ PY        
Standard pitch (10cpi)        ^ PN        
Strikeout begin/end        ^ PX        
Subscript begin/end        ^ PV        
Superscript begin/end        ^ PT        
Underscore begin/end        ^ PS        
Phantom space        ^ PF        
Phantom rubout        ^ PG        
User printer controls        ^ P Q, W, E, R        
TOP

Miscelleneous Commands

Description        Command        Notes
Delete a file        ^ KJ        
Interrupt        ^ U        
Print a file        ^ KP        
Set help level        ^ JH        
Changed logged disk        ^ KL        
File directory on/off        ^ KF        
Repeat next command        ^ QQ        
TOP

Dot Commands

Description        Command        Notes
Bidirectional print on/off        .BP        
Microjustify on/off        .UJ        
Page offset        .PO        
Character width        .CW        
Comment (not printed)        .IG or ..        
Conditional page        .CP        
Footing        .FO        
Footing margin        .FM        
Heading        .HE        
Heading margin        .HM        
Line height        .LH        
Margin at bottom        .MB        
Margin at top        .MT        
New page        .PA        
Omit page #        .OP        
Page number        .PN        
Page number column        .PC        
Sub/superscript roll        .SR        
Paper length        .PL        
TOP

Mailmerge Dot Commands

Description        Command        Notes
Data file        .DF        
Read variables        .RV        
Repeat        .RP        
Set variable        .SV        
Ask for variable value        .AV        
Display message        .DM        
Clear screen        .CS        
File insert        .FI        
Print-time line forming        .PF        
Right margin        .RM        
Left margin        .LM        
Output justification        .OJ        
Interpret input as justified        .IJ        
TOP

Character Pitch

Pitch in characters per inch (cpi)        Command        Notes
5        .CW24        
6        .CW20        
7        .CW17        
8        .CW15        
10        .CW12        default
12        .CW10        
15        .CW 8        
20        .CW 6        
24        .CW 5        
30        .CW 4        
TOP

Line Height

Lines per inch        Command        Notes
2.0        .LH24        
2.4        .LH20        
2.6        .LH18        
3.0        .LH16        
4.0        .LH12        
4.8        .LH10        
5.3        .LH 9        
6.0        .LH 8        default
6.8        .LH 7        
8.0        .LH 6        
9.6        .LH 5        



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2011\03\23@034131 by cdb

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:: Sliding the right thumb over to the
:: right ALT key then hittin L with the right middle finger is pretty
:: easy.

So speaks an obvious dexter person, with questionable appreciation of the woes suffered in this world by us sinister types! :-)

Colin
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2011\03\23@050400 by alan.b.pearce

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> Darn laptops only have one WinKey, on the left. I can do L-WinKey and an
> L with one hand, but it requires a bit of contortion.

I do it right handed, using thumb and little finger.
-- Scanned by iCritical.

2011\03\23@050529 by RussellMc

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> :: Sliding the right thumb over to the
> :: right ALT key then hittin L with the right middle finger is pretty
> :: easy.

> So speaks an obvious dexter person, with questionable appreciation of the
> woes suffered in this world by us sinister types! :-)

I tend to be all thumbs* without due brain conditioning on a given
task, but trying several sinister mirror  alternatives of that seemed
not too hard.
(*Let's not start on dextrous, maladroit, gauche, ...)

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