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'[OT] International shipping'
2010\07\30@111351 by Olin Lathrop

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Michael Watterson wrote:
> For any significant US order the USPS and couriers from US to Ireland
> are so expensive that a return flight is cheaper.

I have no idea what you mean by a "return flight" since nothing is returning
anywhere.  However, I've found the US postal service to be about half or
less the cost of commercial parcel carriers like UPS, DHL, FedEx, etc, with
a lot less customs hassle.  At least that's when I'm sending from the US to
elsewhere.

When I send PIC programmers outside the US, I use registered mail with
ordinary parcel service.  The registered part is important when sending into
the uncharted wilds outside the country where things "fall off a truck" too
easily.  It's also the only way to get a return receipt so that someone
can't claim they never got the shipment.  This usually costs between $20 and
$25 as long as the package is under 2 pounds.  The actual cost within that
range seems to have no correlation with distance or any other factor I have
found yet.  It's probably purely a political thing between the post offices
of the various countries.  If I remember right, the UK is one of the more
expensive destinations.

Canada is also suprisingly expensive considering how easy it should be to
get it there.  I can send the same package to Hawaii or the Marshall Islands
or a remote village in Alaska (yes, I've sent PIC programmers to all these
places) for less than to Montreal.  I once had a customer at a university in
London Ontario, and I got a letter from him postmarked Buffalo New York.  I
asked him about that out of curiosity, and he said that the canadian mail
was so expensive that there are courier services that collect mail for the
US, drive it just over the border, dump it on the US post office in Buffalo,
and are still able to charge less.

International mail is apparently not a well solved problem.


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2010\07\30@113038 by Bob Ammerman

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> Michael Watterson wrote:
>> For any significant US order the USPS and couriers from US to Ireland
>> are so expensive that a return flight is cheaper.
>
> I have no idea what you mean by a "return flight" since nothing is
> returning
> anywhere.  However, I've found the US postal service to be about half or
> less the cost of commercial parcel carriers like UPS, DHL, FedEx, etc,
> with
> a lot less customs hassle.  At least that's when I'm sending from the US
> to
> elsewhere.

I may be completely mistaken, but I believe "return flight" in non-American English might translate to "round-trip flight" in American.

-- Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems

2010\07\30@114337 by alan.b.pearce

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>
> > Michael Watterson wrote:
> >> For any significant US order the USPS and couriers from US to
Ireland
> >> are so expensive that a return flight is cheaper.
> >
> > I have no idea what you mean by a "return flight" since nothing is
> > returning
> > anywhere.  However, I've found the US postal service to be about
half or
> > less the cost of commercial parcel carriers like UPS, DHL, FedEx,
etc,
> > with
> > a lot less customs hassle.  At least that's when I'm sending from
the US
> > to
> > elsewhere.
>
> I may be completely mistaken, but I believe "return flight" in
non-American
> English might translate to "round-trip flight" in American.

That would be correct, and in the context of the original message is
saying it is cheaper for a person to make the round trip, to pick up the
package and return to start, than it is for a one way trip for the
package ...
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2010\07\30@114629 by Olin Lathrop

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Bob Ammerman wrote:
> I may be completely mistaken, but I believe "return flight" in
> non-American English might translate to "round-trip flight" in
> American.

That's what I took it to mean too, but it still makes no sense when talking
about receiving a package from DigiKey.  You don't expect your package to
make a round trip or return anywhere.


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2010\07\30@114848 by Michael Watterson

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 On 30/07/2010 16:14, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Michael Watterson wrote:
>> For any significant US order the USPS and couriers from US to Ireland
>> are so expensive that a return flight is cheaper.
> I have no idea what you mean by a "return flight" since nothing is returning
> anywhere.  However, I've found the US postal service to be about half or
> less the cost of commercial parcel carriers like UPS, DHL, FedEx, etc, with
> a lot less customs hassle.  At least that's when I'm sending from the US to
> elsewhere.
Like if I had the company in US ship to a US address and I got a return flight from Ireland to US to pick it up.
 My experience is that USPS is cheaper, but also inexplicably takes up to three weeks to Ireland (Some place obscure in China, maybe 5 days to here, and DHL for same price to Ireland as Next Door's Royal Mail).

It's inexplicable. But I did tell friends at height of dot com boom that if Internet shopping took off, that shares in delivery companies better bet than the Internet Company

2010\07\30@115144 by Michael Watterson

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 On 30/07/2010 16:30, Bob Ammerman wrote:
>> Michael Watterson wrote:
>>> For any significant US order the USPS and couriers from US to Ireland
>>> are so expensive that a return flight is cheaper.
>> I have no idea what you mean by a "return flight" since nothing is
>> returning
>> anywhere.  However, I've found the US postal service to be about half or
>> less the cost of commercial parcel carriers like UPS, DHL, FedEx, etc,
>> with
>> a lot less customs hassle.  At least that's when I'm sending from the US
>> to
>> elsewhere.
> I may be completely mistaken, but I believe "return flight" in non-American
> English might translate to "round-trip flight" in American.
>
> -- Bob Ammerman
> RAm Systems
>
Thanks. My American is weak. I mean a round flat bready disk when I say Muffin
and I have a Colour TV. I eat crisps out of a bag and chips with sausages and beans.
Candy is a Colour or a Washing Machine.

2010\07\30@115150 by Olin Lathrop

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alan.b.pearce@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
> That would be correct, and in the context of the original message is
> saying it is cheaper for a person to make the round trip, to pick up
> the package and return to start, than it is for a one way trip for the
> package ...

Really!?  Are airfaires that low?  I thought it's many hundreds of dollars.

I just had three boxes shipped to me from Serbia with a total mass of 43Kg
for $450.  I doubt I could fly to Beograd (let alone Novi Sad) and back for
that price, or even to London and back.


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2010\07\31@032730 by Walter Banks

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Olin Lathrop wrote:
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I live and ship from Canada. It is really a matter of parcel size and
value
in our case we ship software almost exclusively by FedEx primarily
because it just gets there. We have about one issue with them every 2 or 3 years that they resolve quickly in our experience. The premium that we pay
FedEx is worth it shipping to unknown or difficult destinations.

Coming into Canada UPS is a problem in the way they handle customs. UPS charge for brokerage services and delay parcels that should not have any customs charges.

US Postal packages and FedEx arrive without delays and in most cases are simply cleared without any border related fees.

Comment about Canadian mail costs. Current letter rates domestic $0.57, To US destinations $1.00 and other international
$1.70. Canadian dollar is about $0.96 US
There was a postal strike here about 30 years ago that created courier companies specializing in US mail forwarding. I was working at the University of Waterloo at the time and they created and for quite a while continued to use a mail forwarding company in Buffalo NY
part of the reason was mass clearing of mail through the US/Canadian border. Universities were customs charges exempt.

Regards,


Walter..
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Walter Banks
Byte Craft Limited
http://www.bytecraft.co

2010\07\31@035027 by RussellMc

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My experiences with Fedex international service to or from NZ have been
usually superb.
Commitment times are usually bettered by a day and sometimes by two days.

DHL are good when they are good but have produced utterly terrible results
on occasion. On the incoming final leg in-country they currently provide
NEXT DAY service from the airport to my location even when they have the
parcel before start of business on the first day. They take "by end of next
business day" as meaning "WILL NOT be delivered until next business day.
They use a large local courier company for the final leg BUT the fault is
DHLs. Any organisation that allows even a far off antipodean outpost to
behave in such a brain dead manner makes me wonder about their management as
a whole.

When sending anything over 1 kg internationally always check how much a 10
kg standard box costs. Jumbo Junior (10 kg) and Jumbo (20 kg larger
physically) from DHL and similar offerings from Fedex. These become cheaper
than sending your own boxed parcel at some point typically in the 1to 2 kg
range. You can fill the empty space with bricks magazines or whatever or
leave it empty. Still cheaper and just as fast.

I sometimes buy second hand books from the US via http://www.abebooks.com . I
usually try to get these sent using USPS Global Priority service. MUCH MUCH
cheaper than UPS/Fedex/DHL and while slower its not terrible - usually under
a week I think.

Out of China I'm told that you can get eg DHL at a fraction of the incoming
to China cost but when I've tried to arrange for people to do this for me
the quotes are similar. Maybe you need to know the system or do much
business. That said, some local Chinese courier companies offer well priced
international services but simply pass the parcel on to eg Fedex. I've had
one batch of PCBs sent that way at OK if not brilliant cost.


             Russell McMahon



       Russel

2010\07\31@225946 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 03:49 AM 7/31/2010, you wrote:
>My experiences with Fedex international service to or from NZ have been
>usually superb.
>Commitment times are usually bettered by a day and sometimes by two days.
>
>DHL are good when they are good but have produced utterly terrible results
>on occasion. On the incoming final leg in-country they currently provide
>NEXT DAY service from the airport to my location even when they have the
>parcel before start of business on the first day. They take "by end of next
>business day" as meaning "WILL NOT be delivered until next business day.
>They use a large local courier company for the final leg BUT the fault is
>DHLs. Any organisation that allows even a far off antipodean outpost to
>behave in such a brain dead manner makes me wonder about their management as
>a whole.

We are now avoiding DHL as a company-- they have problems more frequently
than Fedex (and even UPS), which is not in itself a deal-breaker, but
their customer service in FIXING the problems is absolutely abysmal.

As a bonus, Fedex is actually cheaper in many cases, including shipments
from China.

Best regards,

Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..."            "The Journey is the reward"
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'[OT] International shipping'
2010\08\01@024820 by Jesse Lackey
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My 2c on international shipping - I've sent boards all over the world, and for awhile (2 years) used USPS when the customer wasn't in a hurry, and fedex/UPS when they were.  USPS is definitely cheapest and nothing was ever lost.  Fedex/UPS is rarely under $100.

I had a large project earlier this year that involved sending approx 300 lbs of boards, cabling, etc. to the UK.  Fedex/UPS/DHL quoted between $1300 and $2000.  This was crazy, I could almost fly with them round-trip for this price.  I looked further, and found: TNT.com.

I shipped all the stuff to the UK for ~$650.  Got there in 3 days, from the west coast.  Totally saved the budget.

Their prices are great, super fast, tracking #s, easy customs paperwork, everything.  For the price of USPS (in my experience, USPS has been $25-$35), you can get a box nearly anywhere in the world for 3-5 days. And they'll pick the package up *off my porch* with 4 hours notice for free.  Wow.

Since then, I've sent exactly zero packages USPS/Fedex/UPS/DHL overseas.

Highly recommended...

J



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2010\08\01@074020 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 02:48 AM 8/1/2010, you wrote:
>My 2c on international shipping - I've sent boards all over the world,
>and for awhile (2 years) used USPS when the customer wasn't in a hurry,
>and fedex/UPS when they were.  USPS is definitely cheapest and nothing
>was ever lost.  Fedex/UPS is rarely under $100.
>
>I had a large project earlier this year that involved sending approx 300
>lbs of boards, cabling, etc. to the UK.  Fedex/UPS/DHL quoted between
>$1300 and $2000.  This was crazy, I could almost fly with them
>round-trip for this price.  I looked further, and found: TNT.com.
>
>I shipped all the stuff to the UK for ~$650.  Got there in 3 days, from
>the west coast.  Totally saved the budget.
>
>Their prices are great, super fast, tracking #s, easy customs paperwork,
>everything.  For the price of USPS (in my experience, USPS has been
>$25-$35), you can get a box nearly anywhere in the world for 3-5 days.
>And they'll pick the package up *off my porch* with 4 hours notice for
>free.  Wow.

At that level you should be checking prices at freight forwarders as well.

They don't do the customs part of it, but that's not necessarily a bad
thing-- many companies have set brokers they prefer to use (for good
reasons).

If you ever need to ship by sea they can help you with that too. The savings
can be substantial if you can wait a few weeks and the weight is many
hundreds of pounds or greater.

Best regards,

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