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2005\08\13@190857 by Marcel Birthelmer

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Hi all,
in light of the upcoming 2006 soccer world cup (and the recent start of
the '05/'06 bundesliga season), this displaced German was wondering if
anyone has any experience receiving european satellite TV in the US.
I've done some searching online and found a decent overview of satellite
information at http://www.hf.uib.no/smi/ksv/satfaq.html , but no
information on receiving signals from, say, Astra1 stateside. Any ideas?
- Marcel

2005\08\14@143619 by Howard Winter

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Marcel,

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:12:33 -0700, Marcel Birthelmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> in light of the upcoming 2006 soccer world cup (and the recent start of
> the '05/'06 bundesliga season), this displaced German was wondering if
> anyone has any experience receiving european satellite TV in the US.
> I've done some searching online and found a decent overview of satellite
> information at http://www.hf.uib.no/smi/ksv/satfaq.html , but no
> information on receiving signals from, say, Astra1 stateside. Any ideas?

I think you'd have very little chance of success - even on the East coast of the USA you'd be *well* outside
the footprint, and any signal that does go that way is going to be really weak.  Have you investigated whether
it would be available on the Internet?

Cheers,
Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2005\08\14@152900 by Vidal

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Marcel Birthelmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> in light of the upcoming 2006 soccer world cup (and the recent start
> of the '05/'06 bundesliga season), this displaced German was wondering
> if anyone has any experience receiving european satellite TV in the
> US. I've done some searching online and found a decent overview of
> satellite information at http://www.hf.uib.no/smi/ksv/satfaq.html ,
> but no information on receiving signals from, say, Astra1 stateside.
> Any ideas?
> - Marcel

I think the World Cup will be covered by Espor. As far as I know,
they usually do.

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Regards

Vidal

2005\08\14@162301 by Marcel Birthelmer

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Howard Winter wrote:
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I would love for there to be an internet solution, but it really doesn't
seem like anyone is investing in a webcast infrastructure. Also, I'm not
sure if it would allow live broadcasts anyway. And I know that DirecTV
and Dish do have their pay-$5000-per-month-for-this-channel european
sports programs, but I don't want to commit to something like that.
Thanks for the input, though.
- Marcel

2005\08\15@140707 by Vidal

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Vidal wrote:

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> Espor


Sorry. ESPN!

2005\08\15@142647 by Herbert Graf

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On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 20:07 +0200, Vidal wrote:
> Vidal wrote:
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> > Espor
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> Sorry. ESPN!

It really is a shame that there isn't a "more free" way to get TV from
other parts of the world.

Case in point: I'm sure noone has heard of it, but the Dakar rally is a
favourite of mine to watch. Until this year Speed Channel carried it,
and they basically just took the British feed, which was perfect.

This past year however, Speed channel didn't pick up the rally, instead
Outdoor Life Network did. Instead of broadcasting the British feed they
tried to do it themselves. The result? A DISASTER. They took an 18 day
rally and turned it into 6 1 hour episodes, broadcast WEEKS after the
rally was OVER??!?. A complete joke. On top of that the hosts were
TERRIBLE and obviously had NO idea what even a rally was...

Fortunately for me, I was in Europe for the first week of the rally, so
I got to watch the British feed, which was even better this year then
the last. Every night they had 1.5hours of show, plus two 15 minute LIVE
updates (from the middle of the Sahara over sat phones) each day.

For the second half of the Rally I was back in North America, happily
downloading the British feed over the internet.

When the OLN "version" aired I didn't even bother watching it all, it
was that bad.

I've researched ways of getting Eurosport over in Canada, even willing
to pay for it (although it's completely free in Europe), but I've had no
luck.

Sorry for the rant, but I thought it might bring another perspective to
the discussion. TTYL

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2005\08\15@172106 by marcel

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Didn't someone die in the most recent Dakar?
Anyway, yes, I definitely see your point. And for my interests, it's even more
specific to the region. I know DirecTV and DishNet both have "European sports"
channels that might show one or two soccer games a week, but at that point
you'd already be paying the base fee plus a whole bunch of other stuff, along
with a 1-year contract or something like that. Plus, for more esoteric
channels, you need a "SuperDish" in some cases, which is another unjustifiable
expense.
sigh...
- Marcel


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2005\08\15@173835 by Herbert Graf

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On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 17:21 -0400, spam_OUTmarcelTakeThisOuTspamcarrietech.com wrote:
> Didn't someone die in the most recent Dakar?

Unfortunately more then one, two riders at least come to mind (one being
Meoni IIRC), along with a few spectators.

Very sad, and although the Dakar isn't known for being 100% safe, the
number of deaths this year was unusual (2004 I believe had no deaths,
and 2003 had 1).

Anyways, certainly looking forward to next year's Dakar, hopefully it'll
have a happier ending.

TTYL

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2005\08\16@070424 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Herbert Graf wrote:

> It really is a shame that there isn't a "more free" way to get TV from
> other parts of the world.
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> (although it's completely free in Europe),

While I agree that it might be "more convenient" to get "more free" TV
programs, and also agree that it would help many things if the "more light"
type of information TV provides would be "more easily" available from other
countries, TV is by no means "completely free" in Europe.

TV production in Europe costs the same (if not more) than in the USA and
other places. The "free" programs you watch there are paid for by the taxes
of the residents of the place. It therefore makes a lot of sense that they
-- besides their taxes -- don't pay any more for it (that's why it seems to
be "free"), whereas if you watch it on a cable or satellite channel from
far away, the feed is not free at all -- after all, the viewers of that
feed don't pay taxes in the country where that program comes from. While
you are there, you are kind of a guest and don't have to pay for watching
it, even though you don't pay taxes there.

There is no free lunch, not even in Europe. There's always somebody paying
for it. And it seems only natural for me that European public TV would not
put their feeds out for free internationally, but rather charge whatever
the market price is. (That said, there are of course some free
international programs. But they always have some kind of "public"
objective, like promoting the originating country's culture.)

Gerhard

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