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It's the moving company that is objecting, John. They don't want one customer's cargo to set everything on fire. California is beautiful, everybody else badmouths us because they are jealous. Especially gap-toothed meth-heads from the South :) Just trading stereotypes. Don't start a war if you don't want one. Best regards, Bob On Mon, Apr 30, 2012, at 02:02 PM, John Ferrell wrote: {Quote hidden}> RC Fuel is readily available in all of the US. Most paints are also > readily available. California originates a lot of Junk Science and has a > lot of laws conjured up by aging, drug damaged Hippies. No point in > trying to reason with them... > > On 4/30/2012 12:36 PM, Tamas Rudnai wrote: > > > From the UK (Reading) to US (California). > > > > In the meanwhile the moving company responded and they have said I cannot > > take those cans and the fuel with me. > > > > Thanks, > > Tamas -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are

Haha, good one :-) Yes, the moving company is objecting, but also there are quite a few law in the US -- for example as I have heard they do not like if someone brings a sword over, even if that is non-sharp and is for display only. I think they should worry about my piano instead as I can hurt more people with that by trying to play on it :-) Tamas On 30 April 2012 19:49, Bob Blick <bobblickKILLspamftml.net> wrote: {Quote hidden}> It's the moving company that is objecting, John. They don't want one > customer's cargo to set everything on fire. > > California is beautiful, everybody else badmouths us because they are > jealous. Especially gap-toothed meth-heads from the South :) Just > trading stereotypes. > > Don't start a war if you don't want one. > > Best regards, > > Bob > > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012, at 02:02 PM, John Ferrell wrote: > > RC Fuel is readily available in all of the US. Most paints are also > > readily available. California originates a lot of Junk Science and has a > > lot of laws conjured up by aging, drug damaged Hippies. No point in > > trying to reason with them... > > > > On 4/30/2012 12:36 PM, Tamas Rudnai wrote: > > > > From the UK (Reading) to US (California). > > > > > > In the meanwhile the moving company responded and they have said I > cannot > > > take those cans and the fuel with me. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Tamas > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders > wherever you are > >

Good to know this, thanks. In fact this sword was bought by my friend in Japan, and he could bring it here to the UK, just heard that is was different in the US, but then obviously not much. To be honest I do not know how to handle it, but fascinated by the asian martial arts - and it looks very nice. Tamas On 30 April 2012 20:35, Bob Blick <.....bobblickKILLspam.....ftml.net> wrote: {Quote hidden}> Pretty much the objections to swords can be overcome, my son has > traveled to and from Hong Kong with swords and spears. (he's a martial > arts instructor). > > Best regards, > > Bob > > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012, at 08:28 PM, Tamas Rudnai wrote: > > Haha, good one :-) > > > > Yes, the moving company is objecting, but also there are quite a few law > > in > > the US -- for example as I have heard they do not like if someone brings > > a > > sword over, even if that is non-sharp and is for display only. I think > > they > > should worry about my piano instead as I can hurt more people with that > > by > > trying to play on it :-) > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin > >

Sorry if I pinched a nerve! I concede, all of the US shares in the same problems... On 4/30/2012 2:49 PM, Bob Blick wrote: {Quote hidden}> It's the moving company that is objecting, John. They don't want one > customer's cargo to set everything on fire. > > California is beautiful, everybody else badmouths us because they are > jealous. Especially gap-toothed meth-heads from the South :) Just > trading stereotypes. > > Don't start a war if you don't want one. > > Best regards, > > Bob > > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012, at 02:02 PM, John Ferrell wrote: >> RC Fuel is readily available in all of the US. Most paints are also >> readily available. California originates a lot of Junk Science and has a >> lot of laws conjured up by aging, drug damaged Hippies. No point in >> trying to reason with them... >> >> On 4/30/2012 12:36 PM, Tamas Rudnai wrote: >>>> From the UK (Reading) to US (California). >>> In the meanwhile the moving company responded and they have said I cannot >>> take those cans and the fuel with me. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tamas -- John Ferrell W8CCW “During times of universal deceit, Telling the TRUTH becomes a revolutionary act” George Orwell

Hi Tamas, Come on mate be reasonable, even in the UK the transport companies don't like to carry that stuff, why would you want to create problems on your move because of that? Just leave it behind, I am sure you will find r/c fuel in California. By the way have nice time, I like the rain, me, can not think how you will cope with the sunshine and the girls :-) Best regards Luis On Apr 30, 2012 7:06 PM, "John Ferrell" <EraseMEjferrell13spam_OUTTakeThisOuTtriad.rr.com> wrote: {Quote hidden}> RC Fuel is readily available in all of the US. Most paints are also > readily available. California originates a lot of Junk Science and has a > lot of laws conjured up by aging, drug damaged Hippies. No point in > trying to reason with them... > > On 4/30/2012 12:36 PM, Tamas Rudnai wrote: > > > From the UK (Reading) to US (California). > > > > In the meanwhile the moving company responded and they have said I cannot > > take those cans and the fuel with me. > > > > Thanks, > > Tamas > > > > > > On 30 April 2012 14:04, RussellMc<apptechnzspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> International Move > >> > From ... To ? > >> Liable to be relevant > >> --

Tamas Rudnai wrote: > Hi list, > > Does anyone has experience on what type of materials are banned from > shipping by sailing? I have quite a few pressurized cans of PCB lacquer, > PCB cleaner, contact cleaner airdust etc, not sure what can and what cannot > be sent over the ocean? Also I have a 3/4 full jerrican of imperial gallon > of nitro-methanol fuel for my RC aircraft, has anyone already shipped > anything like that? I'm sure pretty much anything (provided it's legal to import to the destination country) can be and are moved arround the world by ship. The risks to the crew from most cargos is probablly FAR FAR lower on a ship than on a plane due to a combination of the sheer scale of a cargo ship, the fact weight is less of a factor meaning stuff can be more heavilly built and the fact there is a ready supply of water for emergency firefighting and decontamination. The real question IMO is one of cost. Are the products in question worth the costs involved (paperwork both by you and the shipping company, proffessional packaging, dealing with customs etc) in shipping them to your destination. And I suspect the answer to that question is no

Thanks guys for your help. Now I have sorted it out by donating the fuel and the cans of other materials to the local RC club I was flying with. Next thing to find out if my BMFA membership covers me insurance wise in the US or need to join to AMA. Tamas On 3 May 2012 22:38, David Harmon <KILLspamrobocatKILLspampobox.com> wrote: {Quote hidden}> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:52:09 +0100, Luis Moreira > <RemoveMEluis.moreira1575TakeThisOuTgooglemail.com> wrote: > >Come on mate be reasonable, even in the UK the transport companies don't > >like to carry that stuff, why would you want to create problems on your > >move because of that? Just leave it behind, I am sure you will find r/c > >fuel in California. > > R/C fuel is available both in bottles and bulk. But you may want to > bring the cans. Jerrycans are regulated, must have a DOT (Department of > Transportation) approved anti-spill valve on the filler in order to be > sold. >

Go to http://www.modelaircraft.org/ If they cannot help you with all of the details please let me know and I will find someone with experience in that area. I had a successful business producing Precision Aerobatic Model Airplanes that were winners in International & Domestic Contests. I gave that up in 1999 but many of my friends are still active in the sport.. Many of the answers to your questions are dependent on your anticipated length of stay and who is paying for the move. If I were you, I would consider giving up fuel and transitioning to electric for many reasons. You can buy a lot of airplane stuff for the cost of shipping. On 5/3/2012 8:41 PM, Tamas Rudnai wrote: {Quote hidden}> Thanks guys for your help. Now I have sorted it out by donating the fuel > and the cans of other materials to the local RC club I was flying with. > > Next thing to find out if my BMFA membership covers me insurance wise in > the US or need to join to AMA. > > Tamas > > > On 3 May 2012 22:38, David Harmon<spamBeGonerobocatspamBeGonepobox.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:52:09 +0100, Luis Moreira >> <TakeThisOuTluis.moreira1575EraseMEspam_OUTgooglemail.com> wrote: >>> Come on mate be reasonable, even in the UK the transport companies don't >>> like to carry that stuff, why would you want to create problems on your >>> move because of that? Just leave it behind, I am sure you will find r/c >>> fuel in California. >> R/C fuel is available both in bottles and bulk. But you may want to >> bring the cans. Jerrycans are regulated, must have a DOT (Department of >> Transportation) approved anti-spill valve on the filler in order to be >> sold. >> -

John, Thank you very much for all of these info. This site is very useful and I am surprised how many RC clubs are in San Diego area. It seems this sport is very popular in the US :-) Could you please explain why electric fly better than the IC one? Back in Ireland I had a smaller electric plane (still have the motor, speed controller, battery and charger, so I guess such transition would not be a too big investment). However, I thought it was not as powerful as an IC would be, or maybe I just had a too small motor? Thanks, Tamas On 4 May 2012 13:51, John Ferrell <RemoveMEjferrell13TakeThisOuTtriad.rr.com> wrote: {Quote hidden}> Go to http://www.modelaircraft.org/ > If they cannot help you with all of the details please let me know and I > will find someone with experience in that area. > I had a successful business producing Precision Aerobatic Model > Airplanes that were winners in International & Domestic Contests. > I gave that up in 1999 but many of my friends are still active in the > sport. > > Many of the answers to your questions are dependent on your anticipated > length of stay and who is paying for the move. > If I were you, I would consider giving up fuel and transitioning to > electric for many reasons. > You can buy a lot of airplane stuff for the cost of shipping. > > On 5/3/2012 8:41 PM, Tamas Rudnai wrote: > > Thanks guys for your help. Now I have sorted it out by donating the fuel > > and the cans of other materials to the local RC club I was flying with. > > > > Next thing to find out if my BMFA membership covers me insurance wise in > > the US or need to join to AMA. > > > > Tamas > > > > > > On 3 May 2012 22:38, David Harmon<robocatEraseME.....pobox.com> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:52:09 +0100, Luis Moreira > >> <EraseMEluis.moreira1575googlemail.com> wrote: > >>> Come on mate be reasonable, even in the UK the transport companies > don't > >>> like to carry that stuff, why would you want to create problems on your > >>> move because of that? Just leave it behind, I am sure you will find r/c > >>> fuel in California. > >> R/C fuel is available both in bottles and bulk. But you may want to > >> bring the cans. Jerrycans are regulated, must have a DOT (Department of > >> Transportation) approved anti-spill valve on the filler in order to be > >> sold. > >> --

As far as flight parameters go both fuel and electric are pretty close in today's environment. E planes are handicapped in competition because the rules require they be weighed with batteries in place. IC's are not weighed with fuel. The E's are more reliable and provide greater usable power with less vibration. Power control is immediate. The absence of vibration allows a much lighter airframe than with an IC. Fuel proof paint is not required. In fact, paint is not required. If you go to Horizon Hobbies web site you will find a wide range of products that work. Electric flights usually are less that 8 minutes regardless of size. I do have a 10 pound pattern plane but the batteries are expensive and I rarely fly it. I prefer the 3 cell Lipo's. The public perception is that electrics are safer. I disagree, A careless flyer will at some point allow an unplanned motor start. Danger to people and property. An IC usually stops with a prop strike. A electric chews on what ever it encounters until power is removed. I have had a speed controller catch fire. I did manage to not burn the airplane up! The Lipo's we use are bare cells. charge & discharge are up to the user. Too fast of either makes for a road flare. Best done outside! Foamies are neat! Small fields are fine. Break it into pieces, glue it back together and fly some more. No more nasty oil to deal with though! On 5/5/2012 5:26 AM, Tamas Rudnai wrote: {Quote hidden}> John, > > Thank you very much for all of these info. This site is very useful and I > am surprised how many RC clubs are in San Diego area. It seems this sport > is very popular in the US :-) > > Could you please explain why electric fly better than the IC one? Back in > Ireland I had a smaller electric plane (still have the motor, speed > controller, battery and charger, so I guess such transition would not be a > too big investment). However, I thought it was not as powerful as an IC > would be, or maybe I just had a too small motor? > > Thanks, > Tamas > > > On 4 May 2012 13:51, John Ferrell<RemoveMEjferrell13EraseMEEraseMEtriad.rr.com> wrote: > >> Go to http://www.modelaircraft.org/ >> If they cannot help you with all of the details please let me know and I >> will find someone with experience in that area. >> I had a successful business producing Precision Aerobatic Model >> Airplanes that were winners in International& Domestic Contests. >> I gave that up in 1999 but many of my friends are still active in the >> sport. >> >> Many of the answers to your questions are dependent on your anticipated >> length of stay and who is paying for the move. >> If I were you, I would consider giving up fuel and transitioning to >> electric for many reasons. >> You can buy a lot of airplane stuff for the cost of shipping. >> >> On 5/3/2012 8:41 PM, Tamas Rudnai wrote: >>> Thanks guys for your help. Now I have sorted it out by donating the fuel >>> and the cans of other materials to the local RC club I was flying with. >>> >>> Next thing to find out if my BMFA membership covers me insurance wise in >>> the US or need to join to AMA. >>> >>> Tamas >>> >>> >>> On 3 May 2012 22:38, David Harmon<RemoveMErobocatspam_OUTKILLspampobox.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:52:09 +0100, Luis Moreira >>>> <RemoveMEluis.moreira1575TakeThisOuTspamgooglemail.com> wrote: >>>>> Come on mate be reasonable, even in the UK the transport companies >> don't >>>>> like to carry that stuff, why would you want to create problems on your >>>>> move because of that? Just leave it behind, I am sure you will find r/c >>>>> fuel in California. >>>> R/C fuel is available both in bottles and bulk. But you may want to >>>> bring the cans. Jerrycans are regulated, must have a DOT (Department of >>>> Transportation) approved anti-spill valve on the filler in order to be >>>> sold. >>>> --

Thank you very much for the explanation John. For me right now the biggest disadvantage of the IC engine is that even at idle speed it produce a significant thrust which is not nice when landing. I could kill the engine but then there would be no chance of restart if something goes wrong. With electric I could shut the prop down completely which then pretty much worked as an air brake. Anyway, will give it a go again, thanks for the advice! Tamas On 5 May 2012 14:17, John Ferrell <EraseMEjferrell13spamspamBeGonetriad.rr.com> wrote: {Quote hidden}> As far as flight parameters go both fuel and electric are pretty close > in today's environment. > E planes are handicapped in competition because the rules require they > be weighed with batteries in place. IC's are not weighed with fuel. > The E's are more reliable and provide greater usable power with less > vibration. Power control is immediate. > The absence of vibration allows a much lighter airframe than with an > IC. Fuel proof paint is not required. In fact, paint is not required. > > If you go to Horizon Hobbies web site you will find a wide range of > products that work. Electric flights usually are less that 8 minutes > regardless of size. > I do have a 10 pound pattern plane but the batteries are expensive and I > rarely fly it. I prefer the 3 cell Lipo's. The public perception is that > electrics are safer. I disagree, A careless flyer will at some point > allow an unplanned motor start. Danger to people and property. An IC > usually stops with a prop strike. A electric chews on what ever it > encounters until power is removed. I have had a speed controller catch > fire. I did manage to not burn the airplane up! > > The Lipo's we use are bare cells. charge & discharge are up to the user. > Too fast of either makes for a road flare. Best done outside! > > Foamies are neat! Small fields are fine. Break it into pieces, glue it > back together and fly some more. > No more nasty oil to deal with though! > > On 5/5/2012 5:26 AM, Tamas Rudnai wrote: > > John, > > > > Thank you very much for all of these info. This site is very useful and I > > am surprised how many RC clubs are in San Diego area. It seems this sport > > is very popular in the US :-) > > > > Could you please explain why electric fly better than the IC one? Back in > > Ireland I had a smaller electric plane (still have the motor, speed > > controller, battery and charger, so I guess such transition would not be > a > > too big investment). However, I thought it was not as powerful as an IC > > would be, or maybe I just had a too small motor? > > > > Thanks, > > Tamas > > > > > > On 4 May 2012 13:51, John Ferrell<RemoveMEjferrell13KILLspamtriad.rr.com> wrote: > > > >> Go to http://www.modelaircraft.org/ > >> If they cannot help you with all of the details please let me know and I > >> will find someone with experience in that area. > >> I had a successful business producing Precision Aerobatic Model > >> Airplanes that were winners in International& Domestic Contests. > >> I gave that up in 1999 but many of my friends are still active in the > >> sport. > >> > >> Many of the answers to your questions are dependent on your anticipated > >> length of stay and who is paying for the move. > >> If I were you, I would consider giving up fuel and transitioning to > >> electric for many reasons. > >> You can buy a lot of airplane stuff for the cost of shipping. > >> > >> On 5/3/2012 8:41 PM, Tamas Rudnai wrote: > >>> Thanks guys for your help. Now I have sorted it out by donating the > fuel > >>> and the cans of other materials to the local RC club I was flying with. > >>> > >>> Next thing to find out if my BMFA membership covers me insurance wise > in > >>> the US or need to join to AMA. > >>> > >>> Tamas > >>> > >>> > >>> On 3 May 2012 22:38, David Harmon<robocatSTOPspamspam_OUTpobox.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:52:09 +0100, Luis Moreira > >>>> <spamBeGoneluis.moreira1575STOPspamEraseMEgooglemail.com> wrote: > >>>>> Come on mate be reasonable, even in the UK the transport companies > >> don't > >>>>> like to carry that stuff, why would you want to create problems on > your > >>>>> move because of that? Just leave it behind, I am sure you will find > r/c > >>>>> fuel in California. > >>>> R/C fuel is available both in bottles and bulk. But you may want to > >>>> bring the cans. Jerrycans are regulated, must have a DOT (Department > of > >>>> Transportation) approved anti-spill valve on the filler in order to be > >>>> sold. > >>>> -- >

Em 5/5/2012 10:17, John Ferrell escreveu: > I do have a 10 pound pattern plane but the batteries are expensive and I > rarely fly it. I prefer the 3 cell Lipo's. The public perception is that > electrics are safer. I disagree, A careless flyer will at some point > allow an unplanned motor start. Danger to people and property. An IC > usually stops with a prop strike. A electric chews on what ever it > encounters until power is removed. Not brushless motors with a good modern controller. Indeed, for a brushless motor run, the controller has to do a damn lot of work. If anything wrong happens, the motor simply stops, possibly blowing some MOSFETS in the controller. The good controllers will detect if the motor got stuck and stop it, only restarting after the throttle is set to zero and up again. > I have had a speed controller catch > fire. I did manage to not burn the airplane up! > > The Lipo's we use are bare cells. charge & discharge are up to the user. > Too fast of either makes for a road flare. Best done outside! Early Lipos were much more dangerous than modern ones. > > Foamies are neat! Small fields are fine. Break it into pieces, glue it > back together and fly some more. > No more nasty oil to deal with though! I agree! Isaac