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'[OT] IE7 versus IE6, at least something is better'
2008\01\18@085352 by Xiaofan Chen

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The company IT still blocks IE7 at work and I did not update IE6 to IE7
at home until recently at home.

I find several good improvements of IE7 over IE6. Firstly I no longer have
super-slowaccess to FTP site. It is now comparable to Firefox in this
front. Secondly, it now works better with the new interface of Windows
Live Hotmail (was Hotmail or MSN Hotmail).

Tabbed browsing may be another one and I started to use Tab
browsing now (but still use new window from time to time).

One could say that Firefox already has some features earlier
and is said to be "more secure" but personally I prefer to use
IE under Windows as it seems faster over my Internet connection
(8Mbps Cable Modem).

Xiaofan

2008\01\18@111646 by Morgan Olsson

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Den 2008-01-18 14:53:30 skrev Xiaofan Chen <spam_OUTxiaofancTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com>:

> Tabbed browsing may be another one and I started to use Tab
> browsing now (but still use new window from time to time).

Opera have both theese methods, but the one i prefer is it have daughter windows in the main frame.  That combines advantages of several windows with better use of screen estate.  This also works in true full screen (main window fram and maue goes away, and all one or more daughter windows can share every pixel on yoyr display.   Opera have had this feature long before other bowsers even had tabs... but in ten year from now maybe IE13 will have it too...  You can also have several instances of Opera, and save/restore groups of windows, so in one Opera you can open all your favourite electronic pages, in another all banking, whatever...

> One could say that Firefox already has some features earlier
> and is said to be "more secure"

Opera is and have always bee regarded as secure.  It even locks out the bank i had before, and complains often abut bad security of some sites... (configurabel not to show, but i like to be informed...)

> personally I prefer to use
> IE under Windows as it seems faster over my Internet connection

I can not cmpare IE7 but on my Linux system i find Opera be faster than Firefox.

I write this in Opera mailer i try, which is interesting as it handles the mail in a database and the "folders" are viewports to mails that fits that viewport criterias.  Pretty effective but it confuse me - I prefere simple folders...

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Morgan Olsson

2008\01\18@113043 by Tamas Rudnai

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Opera is great, the only problem is that it strictly follows the
w3c.orgwhile too many sites follows
microsoft.com. Firefox has no problem with those sites (or much less) while
Opera is still struggling.

Anyway, I love the mail client inside Opera, I was using that a lot with an
IMAP server. The reason is I am not using that anymore is that because a)
using Gmail;  b) the corporate firewall does not let me going out with IMAP,
POP3 and SMTP protocols.

I still found Safari as the fastest browser, however, it's a bit of shame
that they make a Windows but not a Linux client.

Tamas


On Jan 18, 2008 4:16 PM, Morgan Olsson <.....ost011KILLspamspam@spam@osterlen.tv> wrote:

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2008\01\18@184229 by Jake Anderson

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Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> The company IT still blocks IE7 at work and I did not update IE6 to IE7
> at home until recently at home.
>
> I find several good improvements of IE7 over IE6. Firstly I no longer have
> super-slowaccess to FTP site. It is now comparable to Firefox in this
> front. Secondly, it now works better with the new interface of Windows
> Live Hotmail (was Hotmail or MSN Hotmail).
>
> Tabbed browsing may be another one and I started to use Tab
> browsing now (but still use new window from time to time).
>
> One could say that Firefox already has some features earlier
> and is said to be "more secure" but personally I prefer to use
> IE under Windows as it seems faster over my Internet connection
> (8Mbps Cable Modem).
>
> Xiaofan
>  
Try installing fasterfox. (Alternatly manually tweak the pipelining
settings etc).
Don't use the "precaching" thing as thats nasty but by default fasterfox
has that disabled. It makes pages with lots of small images much faster
to load.

2008\01\18@192724 by James Newton

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Please be careful with "FasterFox" AND with tabbed browsing. You can bring a
small web server to its knees by requesting multiple pages all at once. My
server even reacts to that by (temporarily) blocking access.

--
James.

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2008\01\18@200814 by Jake Anderson

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Thats if you have the pre-caching turned on. Its off by default.
Otherwise its basically just an easy way to turn on pipelining.

James Newton wrote:
> Please be careful with "FasterFox" AND with tabbed browsing. You can bring a
> small web server to its knees by requesting multiple pages all at once. My
> server even reacts to that by (temporarily) blocking access.
>
> --
> James.
>
> {Original Message removed}

2008\01\18@201610 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Jan 19, 2008 12:30 AM, Tamas Rudnai <.....tamas.rudnaiKILLspamspam.....gmail.com> wrote:
> Opera is great, the only problem is that it strictly follows the
> w3c.orgwhile too many sites follows microsoft.com. Firefox has no problem
> with those sites (or much less) while Opera is still struggling.

That is true. I do not use Opera under Windows. I installed Opera under
Linux when I was having problem with Firefox. Once I fixed the problem
with Ubuntu Firefox (with Swiftfox), I never used Opera.

> Anyway, I love the mail client inside Opera, I was using that a lot with an
> IMAP server. The reason is I am not using that anymore is that because a)
> using Gmail;  b) the corporate firewall does not let me going out with IMAP,
> POP3 and SMTP protocols.

Since I am using Gmail, many programs become useless to me
(Outlook Express, Evolution). Occassionaly I will use Thunderbird
to read Newsgroup. But I also use Google Groups.

> I still found Safari as the fastest browser, however, it's a bit of shame
> that they make a Windows but not a Linux client.

I do not have a Mac but I tried Safari once under Windows and it
was very slow (that was a beta version though).

Anyway, I will use IE and Firefox under Windows and Firefox under
Linux based on my criteria of using no-cost software under
Linux/Windows.

1st choice: OS built-in, supported and usable
2nd choice: freely available from the OS vendor, supported and usable
3rd choice:from 3rd party, open source, easily to be built from source
4th choice: from 3rd party, open source, not so easily built from source
                so will have to use the binary package
5th choice: from well-known 3rd party, closed source
6th choice: from less-well-known 3rd party, closed source, but with good review

Under Windows, IE is 1st choice, Firefox is 3rd/4th (I've built Firefox from
source under FreeBSD), Opera is 5th choice. Apple may be 5th or 6th
since their Windows offerings are often bloated and not well behaving
under Windows (Quicktime and iTune).

Under Linux, Firefox is No 1 choice and Opera is still 5th choice.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2008\01\18@202732 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Jan 19, 2008 7:41 AM, Jake Anderson <EraseMEjakespam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTvapourforge.com> wrote:
>
> Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> > One could say that Firefox already has some features earlier
> > and is said to be "more secure" but personally I prefer to use
> > IE under Windows as it seems faster over my Internet connection
> > (8Mbps Cable Modem).

> Try installing fasterfox. (Alternatly manually tweak the pipelining
> settings etc).
> Don't use the "precaching" thing as thats nasty but by default fasterfox
> has that disabled. It makes pages with lots of small images much faster
> to load.

Thanks I will try that.

Under Ubuntu, I prefer to use Swiftfox over built-in Firefox due to stability
issues. But I have never used Fastfox.

Xiaofan

2008\01\18@203905 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Jan 19, 2008 9:27 AM, Xiaofan Chen <xiaofancspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 19, 2008 7:41 AM, Jake Anderson <@spam@jakeKILLspamspamvapourforge.com> wrote:
>
> > Try installing fasterfox. (Alternatly manually tweak the pipelining
> > settings etc).
> > Don't use the "precaching" thing as thats nasty but by default fasterfox
> > has that disabled. It makes pages with lots of small images much faster
> > to load.
>
> Thanks I will try that.
>
> Under Ubuntu, I prefer to use Swiftfox over built-in Firefox due to stability
> issues. But I have never used Fastfox.

It seems to work from the first try by going to PIClist.com archive. Typically
on Saturday and Sunday morning, I've very fast internet connection since
not many people are using them. After 11:00am, the speed goes down.

The speed limit of PIClist.com seems to set to too low. I just clicked
several posts in sequence and the site warns me that I am requesting
the site too fast. This happens with both IE7 and Firefox/Fastfox (without
turning on the fast prefetching option and use only the "optimized" option).


Xiaofan

2008\01\18@205707 by Jake Anderson

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>> Try installing fasterfox. (Alternatly manually tweak the pipelining
>> settings etc).
>> Don't use the "precaching" thing as thats nasty but by default fasterfox
>> has that disabled. It makes pages with lots of small images much faster
>> to load.
>>    
>
> Thanks I will try that.
>
> Under Ubuntu, I prefer to use Swiftfox over built-in Firefox due to stability
> issues. But I have never used Fastfox.
>
> Xiaofan
>  

fasterfox is an addon for firefox

this is probably the easiest way to install it
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1269

click the big button marked "install now"

you can install it from their "official" site but you need to add it to
the trusted sources list etc

2008\01\18@212315 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Jan 19, 2008 9:56 AM, Jake Anderson <KILLspamjakeKILLspamspamvapourforge.com> wrote:
> fasterfox is an addon for firefox
>
> this is probably the easiest way to install it
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1269
>
> click the big button marked "install now"
>
> you can install it from their "official" site but you need to add it to
> the trusted sources list etc

Yes, I've installed it and the first test with PIClist.com shows
positive results.

The 2nd test with Microchip forum proves that Firefox is still
problematic with that site. The major problem is sometimes the
cursor is missing in the Text input box. Take note this only happens
under Windows Firefox. Under Linux I have no problem using Firefox
with Microchip Forum. And it just caused flicking display with one
of the forum thread.

I think this is not a problem of Fastfox since Firefox has had this
problem before.

I understand that this may not be a problem with Windows Firefox
but with Microchip's lousy forum software. Still this is a problem
for me since I use Microchip Forum quite often.

Occassionly I will still use Firefox under Windows (sometimes IE7
has problem with a site but Firefox is ok) but I think I will keep using
IE7 mainly.

I just googled "firefox cursor missing" and it seems to be a
common problem with Firefox.

Xiaofan

2008\01\18@230807 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Jan 19, 2008 10:23 AM, Xiaofan Chen <RemoveMExiaofancTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:

> The 2nd test with Microchip forum proves that Firefox is still
> problematic with that site. The major problem is sometimes the
> cursor is missing in the Text input box. Take note this only happens
> under Windows Firefox. Under Linux I have no problem using Firefox
> with Microchip Forum. And it just caused flicking display with one
> of the forum thread.
>
> I just googled "firefox cursor missing" and it seems to be a
> common problem with Firefox.

If not for this bug, I actually prefer to use Firefox with Microchip
forum due to the built-in spelling checker. I have to install
ieSpell add-on for IE7 in order to use the spelling checker.

I use Gmail regularly with Firefox and IE. Since it has built-in
spelling checker, so IE is not a problem here. But Firefox does
have an edge with AdBlocker when using with Gmail.


Xiaofan


'[OT] IE7 versus IE6, at least something is better'
2008\02\02@005628 by John La Rooy
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On 1/19/08, James Newton <spamBeGonejamesnewtonspamBeGonespammassmind.org> wrote:
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> Please be careful with "FasterFox" AND with tabbed browsing. You can bring
> a
> small web server to its knees by requesting multiple pages all at once. My
> server even reacts to that by (temporarily) blocking access.


Noticed this in the fasterfox faq.

* I'm a webmaster, how can I prevent prefetching?

*Because some websites may not have the resources available to support the
enhanced prefetching feature, it may be easily blocked by webmasters.

Prior to generating any prefetching requests, Fasterfox checks for a file
named "robots.txt" in your site's root directory (subdirectories are not
checked).  If this file contains the following 2 lines, no prefetching
requests will be made to your domain:

User-agent: Fasterfox
Disallow: /

2008\02\02@012107 by James Newton

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Thanks for mentioning it. I've added it.

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Subject: Re: [OT] IE7 versus IE6, at least something is better

On 1/19/08, James Newton <jamesnewtonEraseMEspam.....massmind.org> wrote:
>
> Please be careful with "FasterFox" AND with tabbed browsing. You can bring
> a
> small web server to its knees by requesting multiple pages all at once. My
> server even reacts to that by (temporarily) blocking access.


Noticed this in the fasterfox faq.

* I'm a webmaster, how can I prevent prefetching?

*Because some websites may not have the resources available to support the
enhanced prefetching feature, it may be easily blocked by webmasters.

Prior to generating any prefetching requests, Fasterfox checks for a file
named "robots.txt" in your site's root directory (subdirectories are not
checked).  If this file contains the following 2 lines, no prefetching
requests will be made to your domain:

User-agent: Fasterfox
Disallow: /

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