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2005\12\08@060724 by Russell McMahon

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Running IE6.
Maximum browser windows I can open at once = 25.
Google suggests registry settings which may help change this but they
don't seem to.
Any suggestions while still using IE ? (By all means tell me about
your favourite browser that can open a zillion at once, but it won't
be happening here in the next few days :-) ).


       RM

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A:    They wouldn't.

FWIW: When attempting to track down Asian component sources and
compare products it helps to have many windows open.




2005\12\08@061215 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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Russell,

Sorry for not giving an answer, but I'm surprised you don't use Firefox?  Handling dozens of browser windows is so much easier through a tabbed interface.

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2005\12\08@062438 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 12/8/05, Russell McMahon <apptechspamKILLspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> Running IE6.
> Maximum browser windows I can open at once = 25.
> Google suggests registry settings which may help change this but they
> don't seem to.
> Any suggestions while still using IE ? (By all means tell me about
> your favourite browser that can open a zillion at once, but it won't
> be happening here in the next few days :-) ).
>
>
>        RM

I just hit CTRL-N 38 times and IE has no problems to opem 38 new windows.
I am running WinXP SP2. I use mainly IE on Windows as well even though
I use Firefox under Linux.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2005\12\08@080441 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 07:24 PM 12/8/2005 +0800, you wrote:
>On 12/8/05, Russell McMahon <.....apptechKILLspamspam.....paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> > Running IE6.
> > Maximum browser windows I can open at once = 25.
> > Google suggests registry settings which may help change this but they
> > don't seem to.
> > Any suggestions while still using IE ? (By all means tell me about
> > your favourite browser that can open a zillion at once, but it won't
> > be happening here in the next few days :-) ).
> >
> >
> >        RM
>
>I just hit CTRL-N 38 times and IE has no problems to opem 38 new windows.
>I am running WinXP SP2. I use mainly IE on Windows as well even though
>I use Firefox under Linux.
>
>Regards,
>Xiaofan

Same thing here, using 6.0.2 under Win2K (it was consuming 160M+ before I
killed it).

Though I mostly use Firefox unless I run into a poorly written web page that
won't work. The tabbed browsing is a treat for such things. Do yourself a
favor, take a few minutes ("sharpen your saw", as the old metaphor suggests)
and download it. It will co-exist nicely with IE, will import settings
automagically  so you're off and running 'out of the box'. You can leave
IE as the default browser if you like. Another thing I like about Firefox
is the plug-ins- the zoom plug-in often helps to see a small image if you
insist on a high-res screen, as I do.

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2005\12\08@081640 by Danny Sauer

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Russell wrote regarding '[OT] IE6 - How to open more windows at once' on Thu, Dec 08 at 05:09:
> Running IE6.
> Maximum browser windows I can open at once = 25.

Any idea why it stops?  Do you get a warning saying that it can't open
any more?  Does it just fail to do anything else?  Were I guessing,
which I am, I'd lean in the direction of not enough memory.  Try
closing other programs, etc. to free some up.  I know I've gotten
several hundred IE windows open before in a Javascript program gone
bad, so it's almost gotta be a limitation on your specific machine.

How much memory and which version of Windows?

--Danny

2005\12\08@091010 by Russell McMahon

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> Though I mostly use Firefox unless I run into a poorly written web
> page that
> won't work. The tabbed browsing is a treat for such things. Do
> yourself a
> favor, take a few minutes ("sharpen your saw", as the old metaphor
> suggests)
> and download it.

I'm all for shatrp saws, BUT I've also found that changing saws in mid
stream can be a very unwise thing to do. Quite apart from any learning
curves, things have a habit of breaking in the midst of crisis, no
matter how well behaved people swear they have been for them. But it
does seem past time to try Firefox.

> It will co-exist nicely with IE,

That I didn't know - not how things usually work when one of the
products is made by our friend Bill.

> will import settings
> automagically  so you're off and running 'out of the box'. You can
> leave
> IE as the default browser if you like. Another thing I like about
> Firefox
> is the plug-ins- the zoom plug-in often helps to see a small image
> if you
> insist on a high-res screen, as I do.

Sounds good.
I'm sold.
Soon ...

The problem that started all this may be due to an IE persistent
connection problem that occurs with some sites. Open multiple sessions
and they remain so for many hours apparently, no matter what you do.
sounds unlikely, but ... . A university site described this problem.
They suggested that the best fix was to use firefox ;-)


       RM

2005\12\08@153824 by Howard Winter

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Russell,

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:09:32 +1300, Russell McMahon wrote:

>...<
> I'm all for shatrp saws, BUT I've also found that changing saws in mid
> stream can be a very unwise thing to do.

Nearly as bad as changing horses in mid metaphor...  :-)

> Quite apart from any learning
> curves, things have a habit of breaking in the midst of crisis, no
> matter how well behaved people swear they have been for them. But it
> does seem past time to try Firefox.

Indeed!  The tabbed browsing thing is excellent, and I wouldn't be without it.  There's only a couple of new
things you need to know to use it (<Ctrl><T> to create a new, empty tab; <Right-Click> / "Open Link in new
Tab" to follow a link in a new tab.  Once you get use to using it, you won't want to go back to all those
windows!

> > It will co-exist nicely with IE,
>
> That I didn't know - not how things usually work when one of the
> products is made by our friend Bill.

Because you're adding Firefox on after IE is already there.  If you do it the other way it would be different!  
(Firefox will ask if you want it to be the default browser, I don't think IE is as well mannered).

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2005\12\08@154237 by M Graff

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Russell McMahon wrote:
> Any suggestions while still using IE ? (By all means tell me about your
> favourite browser that can open a zillion at once, but it won't be
> happening here in the next few days :-) ).

Oh, fine.  Take all the fun out of saying "Use Firefox."

--Michael

2005\12\08@161548 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 08:38 PM 12/8/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>Russell,
>
>On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:09:32 +1300, Russell McMahon wrote:
>
> >...<
> > I'm all for shatrp saws, BUT I've also found that changing saws in mid
> > stream can be a very unwise thing to do.
>
>Nearly as bad as changing horses in mid metaphor...  :-)

Just don't look them in the mouth in midstream.

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For 'power users', most of the shortcut keys are the same by default.

The only thing I had to change was that I had gotten used to typing
<Ctrl-O> to type in ("open") a URL.  <Ctrl-L> does exactly the same thing
on IE. On Firefox, by default, <Ctrl-O> opens a file and <Ctrl-L> opens
a URL. So, I switched to <Ctrl-L> which works as expected on either browser
(and on Mozilla, for that matter).

BTW, memory consumption of tabbed windows seems to be quite a bit less per
URL than that of individual windows.

You can pick whether you want URLs that you click on to open in a new tab
or in a new window.

The right-click/new tab thing is *great* for sites that force you to open
perhaps a dozen links to get all the information. Just right-click/new tab
each to open and let them all load while you stay on the main page. I fully
expect Microsoft to copy the tabbed browsing at some point, but they have
not yet.

>Best regards,

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2005\12\08@164915 by Marcel duchamp

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> The right-click/new tab thing is *great* for sites that force you to open
> perhaps a dozen links to get all the information. Just right-click/new tab
> each to open and let them all load while you stay on the main page.

Or on many systems, click the third mouse button - the one often under
the scroll wheel.

2005\12\08@165550 by Josh Koffman

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On 12/8/05, Spehro Pefhany <@spam@speffKILLspamspaminterlog.com> wrote:
> The right-click/new tab thing is *great* for sites that force you to open
> perhaps a dozen links to get all the information. Just right-click/new tab
> each to open and let them all load while you stay on the main page. I fully
> expect Microsoft to copy the tabbed browsing at some point, but they have
> not yet.

If you Ctrl-click, it will open a new tab without losing focus on your
current window. If you Ctrl-Shift-Click it will open a new tab and
give it focus. At least, I think that's the right way around...

And tabbed browsing is coming the new version of IE, don't worry, they
wouldn't miss out on that innovation.

Josh
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2005\12\08@170241 by Paul Hutchinson

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>
> The right-click/new tab thing is *great* for sites that force you to open
> perhaps a dozen links to get all the information. Just right-click/new tab
> each to open and let them all load while you stay on the main
> page. I fully expect Microsoft to copy the tabbed browsing at some point,
> but they have not yet.

The middle mouse button (press down on scroll wheel) also does an open in
new tab for a link. Very handy after a Google search, middle click all the
results you are interested in.

Then when you find you're out of time to look at them all, bookmark any page
and in the dialog check off "bookmark all tabs in a folder". When you get a
chance to finish looking, go to the bookmark folder you created and choose
"Open in tabs" and you are right back where you left off.

IE7 is reported to have tabbed browsing.

Paul

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2005\12\09@090648 by William Couture

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On 12/8/05, Josh Koffman <spamBeGonejoshybearspamBeGonespamgmail.com> wrote:

> And tabbed browsing is coming the new version of IE, don't worry, they
> wouldn't miss out on that innovation.

And the way Microsoft spins things, they will claim to have invented
it, and submit a patent that will be approved despite all the prior art.

Bill

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2005\12\09@092841 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 12/9/05, Josh Koffman <TakeThisOuTjoshybearEraseMEspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
> And tabbed browsing is coming the new version of IE, don't worry, they
> wouldn't miss out on that innovation.
>
> Josh

It seems to me that quite some people here like tabbed browsing.
I personally do not like tabbed browsing. Seems I am in the minority here.
Anyway I seldom open more than 6 windows --> maybe because of
the old experince with Windows on a slow PC. ;-)

Under Windows, I see no much advantage for FireFox under XP SP2
even though FireFox is quite good as well. Generally I feel IE is a bit more
smooth under Windows. Under Linux, FireFox is the nature choice for
now (I am typing under FireFox/Linux now).

Regards,
Xiaofan

2005\12\09@101618 by Josh Koffman

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On 12/9/05, Xiaofan Chen <RemoveMExiaofancspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote:
> Under Windows, I see no much advantage for FireFox under XP SP2
> even though FireFox is quite good as well. Generally I feel IE is a bit more
> smooth under Windows. Under Linux, FireFox is the nature choice for
> now (I am typing under FireFox/Linux now).

I use Firefox for a few reasons. I used to use Opera, and before that,
Netscape. I've never been a huge fan of IE. I use Firefox nowadays
because of the customizability. I have my set of extensions that I
love and use non stop, and they make it significantly easier to do
what I want to do.

Josh
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2005\12\10@153924 by Morgan Olsson

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Michael Rigby-Jones 12:12 2005-12-08:
>>FWIW: When attempting to track down Asian component sources and
>>compare products it helps to have many windows open.

I know what you mean

>Sorry for not giving an answer, but I'm surprised you don't use Firefox?  Handling dozens of browser windows is so much easier through a tabbed interface.

Even better, use Opera: it can also do tabbed browsing if you want, but often even better: can handle multiple daughter windows, and that also in true full screen (not even window border) so you really use all screen to look at pages.
It also have many usable keybord quick commands for true zoom, etc, and mouse gestures.  Yes Firefox have come al ong way with plugins, but I still install Opera on both Linux and Windows to get the best.  It also have a lot of other useful functions.  For the very few sites that can´t handle Opera I use Firefox.

http://www.opera.com  (desktop versions are free of charge now!)

/Morgan
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2005\12\11@140102 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Morgan Olsson wrote:

> Even better, use Opera: it can also do tabbed browsing if you want, but
> often even better:

When I heard that Opera is free, I gave it a try. It uses less resources
than Mozilla, and loads quicker. I have yet to understand many of the
configuration possibilities, but one thing stands out that doesn't seem to
have an easy solution.

The cookie handling is a user interface nightmare. It's basically
impossible to handle it the most logical way without 3rd party application
support (like a local http proxy like Proxymotron or something similar) --
which only plasters over the defect, rather than actually solves it.

A "decent cookie handling" is for me that pretty much all cookies are
treated as session-only cookies, except for sites where I allow persistent
cookies. And that the browser asks my whenever it doesn't know about a
site, and I can answer "session only" or "persistent" and whether or not to
store this for this server for the future. This is how Mozilla/Firefox does
it, and IMO it's pretty much the simplest and most effective way.

Gerhard

2005\12\12@051554 by Morgan Olsson

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(About Opera cookie handling)

Gerhard, you are probably right - I have not until now been thinking that i might want "session only" cookies.  Hmmm.  

Only GUI configurable settings and built-in handling for cookies are under Tools>Settings>advanced>cookies.  (I guess the english naming here)

I might ask support (I bought it during many years... , or user group) later.

/Morgan
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2005\12\12@060548 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Morgan Olsson wrote:

> (About Opera cookie handling)

> Only GUI configurable settings and built-in handling for cookies are
> under Tools>Settings>advanced>cookies.  (I guess the english naming
> here)

Yes, I know. But the UI to all of this (the general config options, the
cookie manager and the prompt it shows when it's configured to show one) is
extremely confuse and generally unusable.

> I might ask support (I bought it during many years... , or user group)
> later.

I've done that (asked the user groups), and the general consensus was "yes,
that's a part that is really badly done; use a 3rd party tool". Please let
me know if you find something.

Gerhard

2005\12\12@073740 by olin piclist

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Morgan Olsson wrote:
> Gerhard, you are probably right - I have not until now been thinking
> that i might want "session only" cookies.  Hmmm.

I don't see the harm.  Cookies aren't viruses, and they don't take up much
disk space.  They allow a web server to identify you from a previous
session, big deal.  For some web sites you actaully use, this can be a
convenience.  For others it allows the site management to do usage tracking,
but that doesn't hurt you.


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2005\12\12@104158 by Herbert Graf

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On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 07:39 -0500, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Morgan Olsson wrote:
> > Gerhard, you are probably right - I have not until now been thinking
> > that i might want "session only" cookies.  Hmmm.
>
> I don't see the harm.  Cookies aren't viruses, and they don't take up much
> disk space.  They allow a web server to identify you from a previous
> session, big deal.  

It CAN be a big deal, it depends on the sever.

The reason being your authentication information can be saved in a
cookie (it shouldn't, but some sites do). Even in cases where your
authentication information IS stored on the server, but a reference ID
is located in the cookie, some servers just accept that reference ID as
you. This is probably OK for some sites, but for others it can be
dangerous.

For example, I knew of one site, that if you had the right cookie, would
allow you to log in and view all the private details of the person's
whose cookie it was.

Fortunately this problem is FAR less common then it used to be. Almost
all sites that carry private information basically ignore the cookie and
require you to log in after a certain amount of time (perhaps at most
just filling in your username, i.e. mail.yahoo.com).

> For some web sites you actaully use, this can be a
> convenience.  For others it allows the site management to do usage tracking,
> but that doesn't hurt you.

I personally don't have a problem with cookies, as you say, on average,
they are harmless.

However, what I DO have a problem with is sites that REQUIRE you run
cookies. Why FORCE people to use cookies if they don't want? This has
especially been a problem for me when using browsers that didn't support
cookies (yes, they're still out there, a couple years ago pocket IE
didn't support cookies, was VERY annoying).

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2005\12\12@113226 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Olin Lathrop wrote:

> Morgan Olsson wrote:
>> Gerhard, you are probably right - I have not until now been thinking
>> that i might want "session only" cookies.  Hmmm.
>
> I don't see the harm.  Cookies aren't viruses, and they don't take up
> much disk space.  They allow a web server to identify you from a
> previous session, big deal.  

It's definitely not about the disk space :)  It's also not about any site
remembering any preferences I may have set.

But there are by now a number of major advertising companies active on the
www. Many of them use cookies to track which ads you load. These are of
course /not/ on the pages of the advertising company, they are on their
clients' pages. With that, those companies create a profile of you that
includes among others which sites (that contain ads run by that company)
you visit and what products you buy (from companies that do business with
that advertising company). Add to that any private information you may have
given to /any/ company that does business with that advertising company and
gets back to them (which then also may allow to link several "cookie-only
profiles"), and you can create a profile that may contain way more than you
suspect.

That's why I like to keep all cookies session-only cookies by default. This
means that they work normally but are deleted by the browser on exit or
startup. For the sites I want to remember me I tell the browser to allow
permanent cookies.

Gerhard

2005\12\12@122739 by Morgan Olsson

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Gerhard Fiedler 17:27 2005-12-12:
>That's why I like to keep all cookies session-only cookies by default.

I remember readin about Opera you could make the cookies file readonly.
But then it is of course a hassle to enable it quickly.
Tha might be solved by starting Opera by two different links, having parameters to load two different settings files; one pointing to th elocked coocie file, th eother to the open.  Of course this is sti.l very clunky...  But then you can customize the two diffeerent settings very different also in other aspects, to suit known nice sites, respectively sites you do not trust.  Just an idea I have not tried...

/Morgan


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2005\12\12@171048 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Morgan Olsson wrote:

> Of course this is still very clunky...  

Exactly my point. There are several work-arounds, but none of them can
claim to come close to what I expect from a designed UI :) -- and Firefox
and Mozilla and even IE show exactly how simple and straightforward that
could be.

Gerhard

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