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2007\10\04@205558 by Jinx

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> a PCB placed on top of a CD player can actually do anything
> to the sound, much less permanently change and improve the
> actual disc placed within.

And the 'chips' wear out. Marketing genius. Wait till the magnetic
fuel enhancer shysters pick up on that one

They do of course have Before and After microphotos of CDs
that have changed. And acoustic lab measurements of same ?

http://www.goldensound.com/productlist/acoustic-discs

Microwave (what ? microwave ? Yes, microwave) tweeters

http://www.goldensound.com/productlist/next-generation-audio-accessories

Description/Theory: These remarkable speakers, sold in pairs,
operate at extremely high frequencies -- much higher than the audio
band - actually in the microwave band, above 1 Gigahertz (GHz).
The Ultra Tweeters are connected to the output terminals of existing
speakers with speaker cables - preferably light, flexible ones - since
the Ultra Tweeters themselves are quite light. Ultra Tweeter principle
of operation is very unconventional. They don't generate sound in the
audio band, or even in the 20-100 KHz band like super-tweeters,
but function in the Gigahertz frequency band (normally used for
satellite and microwave communications). Ultra Tweeters organize
and improve the energy flow in signal conductors as well as the
internal wirings of speaker drivers, making the audio system perform
more efficiently and synergistically

Price: $600/pr



2007\10\15@182715 by Jinx

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> Surely the onus is on the manufacturer to be able to substantiate
> their claims with scientific proof?

On our local 60 Minutes last night was a fascinating piece about a
company called Probitas

http://www.probitas-systems.co.nz/

who have been judged fraudulent by the Commerce Commission
and fined $250,000 and more

I daresay that piece will appear at TV3's web site or Youtube. It
certainly came across as a vindictive prosecution and was compelling
viewing

More info on Probitas

http://www.avalonfarming.co.nz/systems.html

"Probitas contains an array of natural ingredients found here in New
Zealand. Together they produce a product which is able to mobilize
locked up elements in the soil by utilizing the naturally-occurring
electrical currents which run east to west in our soil. In short this
process is called electrolysis which is the ability of electricity to move
elements about using electrical currents"

During the 60 Minutes piece, Ewan Campbell showed the reporter
the voltage in his field. Probes about 400mm apart had a PD of
+0.169V one way and when reversed, -0.169V. Ewan said this
clearly showed a directional current through his soil, which he used
as the basis of his conditioning system

===============================
My lawn shows no directional current at all
===============================

The single prosecution witness, DC Edmeades from Agknowledge,
came across as extremely arrogant, saying that accepted science
meant the system wouldn't work so there was no need to do any,
er, field trials. Which didn't seem to me to be a very scientific
approach at all, especially considering the huge penalty eventually
imposed on Probitas

Whether Probitas works or not, I can't say, although a lot of farmers
say it does, and rather well, but the representatives from the
Commerce Commission did not come acrosss at all well. My
experiences with them left me wondering what they do all day

Incidentally, if you Google for probitas, it appears someone has hacked
agknowledge's result to be top of the list and read

Probitas - 60 Minutes?
http://www.agknowledge.co.nz      Think The Expert Was Nuts? Email Him Your
Thoughts Here

2007\10\15@183916 by Jinx

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The 60 Minutes Probitas segment is here, about 15 minutes long

You decide whether Ewan Campbell was hard done by

http://www.tv3.co.nz/tabid/88/Default.aspx?showid=12852

www.tv3.co.nz/VideoBrowseAll/60MinutesVideo/tabid/371/articleID/36984
/Default.aspx

2007\10\15@185411 by Peter Todd

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Looks like a pretty closed and shut case to me. It essentially rested on
a very simple fact, Probitas does not contain the elements Potassium,
Sulfer or Manganese, which are considered by accepted science to be the
most important elements that fertilizers add. Crops when harvested take
those elements out of the soil, about 5% per year. If Probitas is
genuinly "mobilizing locked up elements" they eventually all those
locked up elements will be removed from the soil anyway, forcing the
farmers to add conventional fertilizer. Given that, and Probitas's
inability to show how it's mobilizing locked up elements in the first
place, they were convicted of fraud.

Sure the prosecution didn't investigate very thoughly, but there was no
need to. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Charging
$300/tonne for $30/tonne worth of materials is pretty extraordinary,
especially for something that to work in the long run has to create
matter out of thin air.

See:

http://www.ruralnetwork.co.nz/BlogDetails.aspx?id=1640

and also:

http://www.comcom.govt.nz/MediaCentre/MediaReleases/200607/272500penaltyfordeceptiveclaimsabo.aspx

> Incidentally, if you Google for probitas, it appears someone has hacked
> agknowledge's result to be top of the list and read
>
> Probitas - 60 Minutes?
> http://www.agknowledge.co.nz      Think The Expert Was Nuts? Email Him Your
> Thoughts Here

Doesn't seem to show up anymore. Also was that a google ad, or a google
search result? Only the latter would be a "hack"

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2007\10\15@193043 by James Nick Sears

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"most important" != "only important"

On Oct 15, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Peter Todd wrote:

> Looks like a pretty closed and shut case to me. It essentially  
> rested on
> a very simple fact, Probitas does not contain the elements Potassium,
> Sulfer or Manganese, which are considered by accepted science to be  
> the
> most important elements that fertilizers add.

2007\10\15@195115 by Jinx

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> ===============================
> My lawn shows no directional current at all
> ===============================

I personally think the claim that soil has a PD of the magnitude shown
by Ewan Campbell is dubious. Think of the implications of a permanent
standing voltage

> Crops when harvested take those elements out of the soil, about 5%
> per year

As we explain here so often, you don't get something for nothing

Having seen the item, my leaning is towards a sympathetic editing for
Ewan Campbell. Doug Edmeades' may have given explanations that
were not included in the eventual footage. That's for him to follow up.
I'm sure the programme staff could have (a) looked up the court
transcript and (b) measured their own soil

A couple of years ago the same programme looked at an allegedly
water-feulled motorbike, and the my perceived bias that time was
towards conventional science

> Probitas - 60 Minutes?
> http://www.agknowledge.co.nz      Think The Expert Was Nuts? Email
> Him Your Thoughts Here
>
> Doesn't seem to show up anymore. Also was that a google ad, or
> a google search result?

Search result

I tried http://www.google.co.nz again and it's gone

2007\10\15@220737 by Jinx

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> Looks like a pretty closed and shut case to me

Perhaps not surprisingly, the overwhelming view of talkback
callers today thought the Commerce Commission are ignorant
arrogant bullies

Such was the bias, IMO, of the programme. If the facts, and
all of the facts had been presented properly, I'm sure people
would not be seeing Ewan Campbell as a "victim". Or they
would not have the "victim" pointed out to them. The real
"victims" possibly being the dissatisfied customers, who were
conspicuous by their absence, perhaps embarrassed to admit
to being suckered

Ewan Campbell called the radio station and was himself evasive
and vague

If he can't answer a straight question like "Why didn't you turn up
in court ?" with a straight answer, that says something to me


2007\10\15@230920 by Howard Winter

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Jinx,

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:39:07 +1300, Jinx wrote:

> The 60 Minutes Probitas segment is here, about 15 minutes long

Does that mean they can be prosecuted for being underweight... errr... undertime?  :-)

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2007\10\16@030400 by Vitaliy

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Jinx wrote:
> During the 60 Minutes piece, Ewan Campbell showed the reporter
> the voltage in his field. Probes about 400mm apart had a PD of
> +0.169V one way and when reversed, -0.169V. Ewan said this
> clearly showed a directional current through his soil, which he used
> as the basis of his conditioning system

[snip]

> ===============================
> My lawn shows no directional current at all
> ===============================

Btw, there is such thing as "earth currents":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current

I don't know if I can believe this -- 1000 V/m?

"Electric potential gradients caused by telluric currents are of the order
of 0.2 to 1000 volts per metre."

This is pretty cool:

"Telluric currents can be harnessed to produce a useful low voltage current
by means of earth batteries. Such devices were used for telegraph systems in
the United States as far back as 1859."

Vitaliy

2007\10\16@035706 by Jinx

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> > The 60 Minutes Probitas segment is here, about 15 minutes long
>
> Does that mean they can be prosecuted for being underweight...
> errr... undertime?  :-)

Oh stop that ;-)

It really is an interesting watch if you have the time, even if only to
see how biased it was. You'll probably see how that caused people
to be outraged at the Commerce Commission today

2007\10\16@035706 by Jinx

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> > ===============================
> > My lawn shows no directional current at all
> > ===============================

Just for argument sake, say he really did measure 0.5V / m, and
claims that it 'livens up' the microbial system. On the microbial or
bacterial scale the PD would be about 5uV / 10um

Certainly I doubt there is a constant PD of 0.5V/m everywhere

Ewan Campbell seems to be saying that soil is a battery, and talks
a lot about improving conductivity. Gold wire is a good conductor
but it has no inherent voltage. Any homogenous salt solution, like
the water in damp soil, has no macro voltage. Any two points will
show no PD between them. Adding contaminants, like prills of
differing metals, would produce small local batteries, but electroysis
will corrode those eventually

> Btw, there is such thing as "earth currents":
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current
>
> I don't know if I can believe this -- 1000 V/m?

The description here -

www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/Display.cfm?Term=telluric%2Dcurrent%20m
ethod

suggests that measurements are made over a large area. Perhaps
the 1000V/m is under a storm cloud or aurora

2007\10\16@040152 by Jinx

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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current
>
> "Telluric currents can be harnessed to produce a useful low voltage
> current by means of earth batteries. Such devices were used for
> telegraph systems in the United States as far back as 1859."

wikipedia itself disagrees with that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_battery

The process is simply dissimilar metals in an electrolyte, same as
a nail and a penny in a lemon

2007\10\16@051039 by Vitaliy

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Jinx wrote:
> wikipedia itself disagrees with that
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_battery
>
> The process is simply dissimilar metals in an electrolyte, same as
> a nail and a penny in a lemon

Yes, I read that article too -- but they are two different phenomena. The
early telegraph systems that relied on the "earth current" had to use
correct polarity (so the "chemical" battery would not fight the earth
current).

Vitaliy

2007\10\16@102646 by Tony Smith

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> > The 60 Minutes Probitas segment is here, about 15 minutes long
>
> Does that mean they can be prosecuted for being
> underweight... errr... undertime?  :-)


The old joke is 'and next on 39 Minutes...'

Tony

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