Post by thread:[OT] How long has Olin been back ?

'[OT] How long has Olin been back ?'

Just noticed that Olin is posting again :-)

Unfortunately I cleared out my old Piclist messages so I didnt notice when

he's started posting again.

Nice to see you back on the Piclist Olin :-)

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From: "Dominic Stratten"

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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 1:29 PM

Subject: [OT] How long has Olin been back ?

> Just noticed that Olin is posting again :-)

> Unfortunately I cleared out my old Piclist messages so I didnt notice when

> he's started posting again.

> Nice to see you back on the Piclist Olin :-)

The oli cycle is around 7 to 1 month, more or less.

His first:

[PIC], was Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:25:53 -0400 (EDT)

[EE], was Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:53:24 -0400 (EDT)

He usually not appears in [OT] channel, So give to him "hellos" commenting

something about relocatable coding on [PIC],... in favor of, obviously. The

reaction may be unpredictable if you post some in absolute form. :( :(

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Dominic Stratten wrote:

> Just noticed that Olin is posting again :-)

>

> Unfortunately I cleared out my old Piclist messages so I didnt notice

> when he's started posting again.

>

> Nice to see you back on the Piclist Olin :-)

Thanks.  I signed up again yesterday (Sunday) morning.  After James booted

me off, I waited a few days for things to cool down, then sent him a message

admitting in hindsight that I'd made a mistake, but also that I felt he had

been unfair.  I was really just trying to point out the humor in that post,

and hadn't intended anyone to get upset.  While I should have used more

thought before sending that post, I still feel it was well below the

threshold anyone else ever got booted off the list for.  And no, despite

what some people were speculating, I received no warnings or admonishments

from admins or anyone else to any other post I made since I came back to the

list in July.

In my message to James, I offered to stay away for at least a week and when

I did come back, just start replying to messages as usual and not mention

the incident at all (like this message is doing).  That way he could have

made his point without my appearing to undermine his authority.

I received no bounce message and no response from James to my private

message.  I thought maybe something had changed with the server change, and

tag lines and web pages hadn't been updated yet.  After a few more days, I

sent the same message to two other PICList admins, explaining that I had

tried to contact James earlier.  Absolutely no response again.  At this

point I concluded I was being deliberately ignored.

With being out of town and starting a new job, I didn't have time to deal

with this issue until yesterday morning.  The PIClist is a fun diversion,

but I sometimes let it be more of a time sink than I should.  I had expected

my original email address to be blocked and to create a yahoo or whatever

account to get back on the PIClist.  That is easy to do, yet that thought

had raised the perceived hassle factor over the threshold so that it took me

two weeks to get around to it.  Just for the heck of it, I tried my old

address first and the sever let me subscribe, so here I am.  I was going to

respond to some of the posts about when I was booted, but seeing as my

address wasn't blocked, I decided not to.  I also decided I wasn't going to

mention any of this unless someone else brought it up first.

Yeah, I'm a little pissed at how I was treated, but that's for me to get

over.  The admins have the right and duty to police the list, but with that

also comes the responsibility of fairness.  Booting me off was excessive use

of force in my opinion, but I guess it made their point from their view.

However, I still don't see the purpose served by ignoring my private

messages.  It seems like a personal thing, but there is no conclusive

evidence of that and there could be other explanations.

Anyway, see what I mean about spending more time on the PIClist than I

should ;-)

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>> Nice to see you back on the Piclist Olin :-)

Indeed. 

Variety, as they say, is the spice of life!

Welcome back, again.

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> The oli cycle is around 7 to 1 month, more or less.

But what is the waveform? Is it a sawtooth, fed by a constant current of

irritation, untill the capacity of the administrators raises the level

at which their dia(boli)c fires?

Wouter van Ooijen

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> The admins have the right and duty to police the list, 

> but with that also comes the responsibility of fairness.

Agreed, but (re another thread) everything is relative, so they are also

the only jugde of their fairness, by virtue of the time they spend

keeping this list alive. So right or wrong, we all vote for their

leadership by subscribing the the list (and not voluneering to take

their job). And you Olin, by re-appearing twice, are actually stating

that you value this list (and hence ist admins) quite high :)

Wouter van Ooijen

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More like a sin(e) wave

RP

> The oli cycle is around 7 to 1 month, more or less.

But what is the waveform? Is it a sawtooth, fed by a constant current of

irritation, untill the capacity of the administrators raises the level

at which their dia(boli)c fires?

Wouter van Ooijen

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>The PIClist is a fun diversion, but I sometimes

>let it be more of a time sink than I should.

<VBG> I know what you mean.

glad to see you back. I did think the admins had been a bit harsh,

considering the response from the other person, however at some point we

have to "take it on the chin, and keep playing."

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Aparently Olin has been banned from the Piclist again with no explanation :(

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Sent: 12 October 2004 09:23

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Subject: Re: [OT] How long has Olin been back ?

>The PIClist is a fun diversion, but I sometimes let it be more of a 

>time sink than I should.

<VBG> I know what you mean.

glad to see you back. I did think the admins had been a bit harsh,

considering the response from the other person, however at some point we

have to "take it on the chin, and keep playing."

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> Aparently Olin has been banned from the Piclist again with no explanation 

> :(

How do you know this? (I imagine he told you offlist?).

If so, that would be consistent with what the admins said when it happened 

last time, UNLESS he was posting via a personal moderator. The prospect of a 

personal moderator was raised and the admins suggested that the person who 

said he would be willing to do the job should talk to Olin offlist. If that 

had not been arranged then there is no publicly known reason to think that 

he has since been "unbanned".

They made clear statements in the discussion after the event about what they 

had done and its overall status. Olin's latest comments were not in line 

with what they had said so, unless there had been some arrangements to the 

contrary I imagine that they simply removed his subscription again.

        RM

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Seems very clear to me. You must have missed his rant

against the admins.

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From: "Dominic Stratten" <EraseMEdominic.strattenspam_OUTTakeThisOuTntlworld.com>

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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:07 AM

Subject: RE: [OT] How long has Olin been back ?

> Aparently Olin has been banned from the Piclist again with no explanation 

> :(

>

>

> {Original Message removed}

From: "Alan B. Pearce" <@spam@A.B.PearceKILLspamrl.ac.uk>

I did think the admins had been a bit harsh,

considering the response from the other person

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I really don't understand that statement at all.  Olin's reply ha nothing to do with the other person's response.  He made an error in his answer and as usual, Olin found it necessary to make him feel stupid.  Has nothing to do with how the OP responded as to whether Olin got bumped again.  I can't understand why he keeps coming back???  If the admins bumped me, I'd get the hint the first time.

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>Seems very clear to me. You must have missed

>his rant against the admins.

I would not have called it a rant.

He does say he feels aggrieved at being removed, but accepts the admins

position.

And I have yet to see any mention of the guy who did use some extremely

strong language against Olin at the time he was removed. Was that guy

removed?

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On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 08:48, Alan B. Pearce wrote:

> And I have yet to see any mention of the guy who did use some extremely

> strong language against Olin at the time he was removed. Was that guy

> removed?

Yes.

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immediately

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> From: KILLspampiclist-bouncesKILLspammit.edu [RemoveMEpiclist-bouncesTakeThisOuTmit.edu]On Behalf

> Of Alan B. Pearce

> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:49 PM

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> Subject: Re: [OT] How long has Olin been back ?

> 

> 

> >Seems very clear to me. You must have missed

> >his rant against the admins.

> 

> I would not have called it a rant.

> 

> He does say he feels aggrieved at being removed, but accepts the admins

> position.

> 

> And I have yet to see any mention of the guy who did use some extremely

> strong language against Olin at the time he was removed. Was that guy

> removed?

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>I did think the admins had been a bit harsh,

>considering the response from the other person

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>

>I really don't understand that statement at all.

>Olin's reply ha nothing to do with the other

>person's response.

True, but think in terms of equality of action. If what really was a mild

reaction to the other person was enough to bump Olin, then the answer that

came back from the other person was surely enough to get them bumped as

well.

>He made an error in his answer and as usual,

>Olin found it necessary to make him feel stupid.

I did not see it that way. sometimes I see things here that have me ROTFLMAO

as well, but it just seemed to me that because Olin put the mnemonic in a

mail he got bumped. Yes he has been pretty vitriolic in the past, but that

particular message did not come across to me as anything like that. However

the other person certainly came back with a vitriolic response that would

certainly (in my book at least) match anything Olin was bumped for, and I am

just asking if they also were bumped from the list.

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>Was that guy removed?

Yes, Alan, he was.

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>> against Olin at the time he was removed. Was that guy

>> removed?

>

>Yes.

Thanks for the update Herbert.

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I did not see it that way. sometimes I see things here that have me ROTFLMAO

as well, but it just seemed to me that because Olin put the mnemonic in a

mail he got bumped. Yes he has been pretty vitriolic in the past, but that

particular message did not come across to me as anything like that. However

the other person certainly came back with a vitriolic response that would

certainly (in my book at least) match anything Olin was bumped for, and I am

just asking if they also were bumped from the list.

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(1) He dared them to ban him.

(2) His actions begged them to ban him.

(3) They banned him.

Olin clearly got banned for "the-straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back."

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I did not see it that way. sometimes I see things here that have me ROTFLMAO

as well, but it just seemed to me that because Olin put the mnemonic in a

mail he got bumped. Yes he has been pretty vitriolic in the past, but that

particular message did not come across to me as anything like that. However

the other person certainly came back with a vitriolic response that would

certainly (in my book at least) match anything Olin was bumped for, and I am

just asking if they also were bumped from the list.

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Oh, no doubt the response to Olin's post was much, much worse and yes he was 

removed immediately for it.  I just don't understand Olin's need to throw 

salt in the wound.  But I guess that's what makes the world go round :-)

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I think there was a reason that Olin essentially came about unannounced.

This thread is rehashing old news.

Welcome back Olin. Glad that you're here.

BAJ

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