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2011\06\28@134436 by RussellMc

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Request:   ALWAYS remove subject tag when changing subjects.
In this case " ...  [OT          ...    [OT ... " so probably no great
harm but principle needs observing.

Comment: Including all old title in subject when utterly leaping about
has never seemed overly useful to me. Whatever.

Given both of the above I've rejigged it utterly, thus proliferating
subject lines

The following is close enough to political that you may feel the
warmth from the fire.  Tread maturely if ongoing life is required.
[That's a Delphic statement btw. :-) ].

> They did not like your electronics ?  What was the reasoning ?

China.
Olympic city (yachting).
Because they could.
Anything that might be a security risk, might be thought to be able to
be a security risk, could be pretended to be a security risk, or whose
face they did not like got banned, or looked at carefully.

The whole country was noticeably tightened up in the 6 months or so
prior to the Olympics and not detightend again for a long while
afterwards.

China has a 2nd region very light Tibet in numerous ways. It very
largely vanished off the face of the earth communication wise for
about 6 months in the last year or few and few here noticed and/or
said anything.

They have many real problems and some perceived ones and some which
appear to be manufactured and may or may not be.

During the recent approach to a major C' holiday we were trying to
send batteries by air from C to elsewhere. Rules go changed so we
couldn't  until after the break,. Security reasons. We arranged to get
them carried to Hong Kong (still OK) and air freighted from there.
That too got shut down before we managed to use it. We could have had
them legally hand carried by courier and taken into HK but it was not
worth the effort and cost. We waited.

Balanced against what may seem an unhealthy paranoia is the fact that
something real could happen to upset the status quo starting anywhere
anytime. If status quo mattere to you then some extreme effort may be
required to maintain it. Even PICList management is easier.


  R

2011\06\28@144229 by Denny Esterline

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About April 2009,waiting at a _tiny_ airport for a _tiny_ plane (<20
passengers). Sitting in the terminal being "eyeballed" by two TSA
"personnel" (substitute for the depreciated term "goon")
Just as boarding starts, wander over to a vending machine, buy a $6 soda.
All in full view of aforementioned "personnel", try to get on plane.
"Sir, we're going to have to "inspect" that bottle"

I concluded that they had a new toy they wanted to play with and I just
happened to be the lucky one.

Moral of the story, they don't need a reason.


Quoting the great Lilly Tomlin - "We're the Phone Company. We don't care. We
don't have to."
-Denn

2011\06\28@155541 by Mark E. Skeels

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Good thing you were not wearing a diaper.

......:-(

On 6/28/2011 1:42 PM, Denny Esterline wrote:
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> -Denn

2011\06\28@155648 by RussellMc

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> About April 2009,waiting at a _tiny_ airport for a _tiny_ plane (<20
> passengers). Sitting in the terminal being "eyeballed" by two TSA
> "personnel" (substitute for the depreciated term "goon")
> Just as boarding starts, wander over to a vending machine, buy a $6 soda.
> All in full view of aforementioned "personnel", try to get on plane.
> "Sir, we're going to have to "inspect" that bottle"

Beijing customs.
Oh dear. TWO unopened cans of Coke.
Look at crowd. Wave, literally, can of Coke.
"Anyone want a Coke, cold, unopened, I can't take it with me. ..."
Took some hectoring before anyone responded.
A male person of colour, coming from where  I know not, and going to
where I know not, steps from the crowd,
I hand him a can. We crack our Coke cans (crack Coke in customs is not
usually a good idea) and in very good spirits down them together.
General merriment ensues amongst the crowd.
A small victory won.
Small.

__________________

Through airport security in China outbound for NZ via Australia on a
QANTAS flight.
All the normals at customs security. The Chinese can be very thorough
when they want to be although not up to what I've heard of US rigor
(in my so far experience.)
Coke machines stand, as ever along the corridors to the gates and in
the gate lounges. I try very very very hard to not use them as I
object on principal to the gouging.
Some buy bottles ()never any cans available here). Fair enough.
Some take them with them.
Uh oh.
Australians run their own XRay machine and security system "at the
gate". All unopened bottles of Coke et al, freshly bought and unopened
are forfeit. Nobody offers me a spare one to drink.

___________________

Do consider the shell game men who MIGHT buy a vending machine bottle
and then exchange it for their concealed bottle of whatever perhaps
just manufactured in the nearby lab er lav. Chances are very low. Not
zero. Pity the TSA man who loses even a 20 person plane because
someone out prestidigitated him :-(.
Better a goon than having to fill in THAT much paperwork.

____

China. Stand in waiting room at a sliding door at airport (Qingdao).
Door opens. About 20 people are admitted to next room. Person with
swab goes around all and samples bag and clothes surfaces. Swab is
then inserted in in a magic machine. (Make and model evident in the
stupidly dangerously taken photo). All clear. The 20 are released on
our way and next 20 admitted.
The thought is - what happens to the 20 people if the swab proves negative:-).

________

Transiting Sydney. Outbound.
Would you step this way please sir.
We would like you to undergo a bomb test whatever.
Me: for interest, how did you come to chose me?
They: Random choice. Sure. Whatever.
Me: voluntary.
They yes sir
I: what happens if I decline.
They: Then your journey ends here, Sir.
I accepted

___________

Chinese long distance rail station, domestic.
Bags are Xrayed by bored staff.
Misc other trains. Bags may be Xrayed. Backpacks also sometimes. Belt
bags about never.

Shanghai Maglev - bags are XRayed.
Probably a nice idea.
A bomb at Magev velocity of 430 kph* !!! would spread you over a very
great distance.
* Faster than ANY production road car on earth. Just.

Hmm.  Shanghai tower has XRays and laptops must be left in luggage
office. A nice target.

_____________

Somewhere China customs. Just maybe Malaysia or Singapore.
You seem to have a bottle of water in your bag, Sir.
Open bag.
Search.
No water.
Search. No water. Search. Ah.
That will be the one I slid down there yesterday when it was hot and I
wanted a bottle I could get at while travelling - it's in the thin
sleeve outside the bag at the back that is mainly used to cover the
extending handle rails. To them of course it looks like hiding. And my
repeat searches now look like pretence. To me it looks like gross
stupidity.

__________

Then there was the Chinese customs man ~ 1000 km inland,  that I very
loudly and very angrily called a bloody fascist - neither being words
that I'd usually expect to use publicly from one decade to the next.
That was followed by a mini lecture by me. Very stupid. But, he was
very cool and calm and collected and polite - But he still didn't give
me back my inkjet cartridge refiller, with its weapons grade 3 x 1"
needles,  that had already passed though 5+ customs points OK. :-) As
this was the sole occasion that my wife was with me in China it was a
very very stupid thing to do indeed. Needs must. Mustn't be cowed by
the weight of authority :-).  Must be getting old.

The Swiss army knife I had given up without a murmur. It was fair
game, and when I saw it in my carry on I knew it was forfeit without
question. it MAY have influenced the decision re the inkjetrefiller.
BCC: I don't think that that was the knife that you gave me Mike.


      Russel

2011\06\28@194503 by Denny Esterline

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On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, RussellMc <spam_OUTapptechnzTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:

> > About April 2009,waiting at a _tiny_ airport for a _tiny_ plane (<20
> > passengers). Sitting in the terminal being "eyeballed" by two TSA
> > "personnel" (substitute for the depreciated term "goon")
> > Just as boarding starts, wander over to a vending machine, buy a $6 soda.
> > All in full view of aforementioned "personnel", try to get on plane.
> > "Sir, we're going to have to "inspect" that bottle"
>
>
>
> Do consider the shell game men who MIGHT buy a vending machine bottle
> and then exchange it for their concealed bottle of whatever perhaps
> just manufactured in the nearby lab er lav. Chances are very low. Not
> zero. Pity the TSA man who loses even a 20 person plane because
> someone out prestidigitated him :-(.
>  Better a goon than having to fill in THAT much paperwork.
>
>
If it wasn't clear, my entire event happened in the gate area _after_
security.

In the end, what's a couple minutes. It really wasn't a big deal. (I just
save up for several years and then share it with a couple thousand
semi-strangers on the internet in a long winded and pointless diatribe)

-Denn

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