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2012\03\21@215940 by PICdude

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I've been running on webmail for the past few years (long, but valid  story), and now I need to download and keep all of it.  Roughly just  under 2GB over 3 email accounts.

I used to download to a Linux box, but that's full and I don't have  that machine at hand currently.  So I setup Thunderbird (as it uses  the same maildir format, so I should be able to merge later) using  POP3, but it hangs after some time, and can't continue.  Out of ~7000  emails in one account, it hangs about half-way.

I'm ideally after an email client (for Windows XP), that uses maildir  format, which is either very reliable (and will retry, check for  errors, etc) or better... will allow me to download by specific date  ranges.  This way, I can grab a few months at a time and let it delete  those as it goes along.

Or if any of you have any better (simple) ideas?

Cheers,
-Neil.

2012\03\21@222600 by Dwayne Reid

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At 07:59 PM 3/21/2012, PICdude wrote:

>I'm ideally after an email client (for Windows XP), that uses maildir
>format, which is either very reliable (and will retry, check for
>errors, etc) or better... will allow me to download by specific date
>ranges.  This way, I can grab a few months at a time and let it delete
>those as it goes along.

I have to confess that I know almost nothing about the internals of email clients, but I've been using Eudora since I first got Internet access back in the mid '80s.  All I can say about Eudora is that "It Just Works".

It supports both IMAP and POP3 (I use POP3) and has worked on every Windows OS that I've used: 3.11 WFWG, Win98, WinXP, Win7.

It hasn't been updated in years but you can still download the installer from <http://www.eudora.com>.

It might be worth trying.

dwayne

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2012\03\22@021603 by Sergey Dryga

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PICdude <picdude3 <at> narwani.org> writes:

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I do not know if any Windows email client uses maildir format.  If you are
familiar with linux already, just install VMWare player, then install your
favorite linux distro under virtual machine and download your emails. Sometimes webmail clients have option to download emails, check this out too.
Sergey Dryga
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2012\03\22@022005 by Sergey Dryga

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PICdude <picdude3 <at> narwani.org> writes:

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other note: I use Evolution for email, when I switched to it from KMail last
year, it downloaded several GB of emails from 7-8 accounts without problems,
using POP3.  Of course the problem is likely in your server, or ISP, not the
client :-)

Sergey Dryga

2012\03\22@082056 by Carl Denk

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Can you in the WEBMAIL, or locally open another account, then forward or move to another account/folder to that new account batch style by selecting via. shift-click.

On 3/21/2012 9:59 PM, PICdude wrote:
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2012\03\22@093911 by PICdude

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Was not aware that Eudora still existed.  Last I used it was early  90's-ish when it was free from several dial-up ISP's.  Checking now  though, it seems it's not maildir format :(  I can supposedly convert  from mbox to maildir or vice-versa later, but there are lots of issues  with that and people often lose several emails with that.




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2012\03\22@094841 by PICdude

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Quoting Sergey Dryga <.....sergeyKILLspamspam.....dryga.us>:
> I do not know if any Windows email client uses maildir format.  If you are
> familiar with linux already, just install VMWare player, then install your
> favorite linux distro under virtual machine and download your emails.
> Sometimes webmail clients have option to download emails, check this out too.


Also thinking it may be the way to go right now.  Or I could just  setup Linux to dual-boot on one of my existing machines.

So far, Thunderbird and Pegasus does maildir.  Installed Pegasus last  night and it downloaded 4800 emails before stopping.  Have to think  there's some internal limit with that cause it's just too cardinal of  a number.  It left all on the server though.  Re-starting this morning  resulted in a full restart.

I clearly remember stopping kmail during its download from the same  hosts and when restarted later it would continue from where it left  off.  It did delete the downloaded ones off the server in the interim.    The Linux option is looking better and better now.

2012\03\22@095118 by PICdude

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Quoting Sergey Dryga <EraseMEsergeyspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTdryga.us>:

> other note: I use Evolution for email, when I switched to it from KMail last
> year, it downloaded several GB of emails from 7-8 accounts without problems,
> using POP3.  Of course the problem is likely in your server, or ISP, not the
> client :-)
>
> Sergey Dryga
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I don't doubt the host is some part of the problem.  I've had a lot of  issues with them in the past few months, and they recently decided  that the best time to do backups is at 7am EST for a few hours.  It  literally takes me 15 mins (yes, literally) to get into my email in  the morning, so I have to leave them anyway.  But I must get my email  first.

2012\03\22@095626 by PICdude

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Quoting Carl Denk <cdenkspamspam_OUTwindstream.net>:

> Can you in the WEBMAIL, or locally open another account, then forward or
> move to another account/folder to that new account batch style by
> selecting via. shift-click.

Not a bad idea.  Forwarding may be a problem, but I can prob use IMAP  in Thunderbird to move all to another folder, then move back small  batches to the inbox for download.  Worth a shot.

2012\03\22@100838 by Isaac Marino Bavaresco

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Em 22/3/2012 10:48, PICdude escreveu:
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Thunderbird supports IMAP.
Although IMAP clients usually don't download the messages until they are
read, Thunderbird does.
With IMAP it won't restart from beginning in case of an interruption and
a restart.

In POP3 mode, Thunderbird has a bug that sometimes messages with large
attachments are downloaded over and over creating several copies of it
in the list, without Thunderbird marking them as already downloaded and
it also doesn't download any messages other than that.

It happened today to me. The only solution was to access the webmail
server and deleting the offending message.


Isaac

2012\03\22@103654 by M.L.

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On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:59 PM, PICdude <KILLspampicdude3KILLspamspamnarwani.org> wrote:
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> I used to download to a Linux box, but that's full and I don't have
> that machine at hand currently.  So I setup Thunderbird (as it uses
> the same maildir format, so I should be able to merge later) using
> POP3, but it hangs after some time, and can't continue.  Out of ~7000
> emails in one account, it hangs about half-way.

Maybe a useful hint:
A Maildir just contains each email in a separate text file, with any
number of folders.

If I were doing this I might try remailing each email to my new
account. Or converting the emails into a format. The `find` utility
can run a command for each file it finds.
Also it works just fine under Cygwin on Windows..

The simplest, least elegant, solution would be to copy (rsync over
SSH) your maildir to a working system and use the IMAP server of that
working system, to download to your email client.

I've used Thunderbird forever, but lately it's been getting quite
bloated. I've been evaluating the Opera email client for my own use.
It's quite fast, though the interface takes some getting used to.

--
Martin K.

2012\03\22@104916 by Sergey Dryga

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PICdude <picdude3 <at> narwani.org> writes:

> I clearly remember stopping kmail during its download from the same  
> hosts and when restarted later it would continue from where it left  
> off. It did delete the downloaded ones off the server in the interim.  
>   The Linux option is looking better and better now.
> KMail has an option to leave messages on the server, it's in account options IIRC.
Sergey Dryga
http://beaglerobotics.com


2012\03\22@114100 by PICdude

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Quoting Sergey Dryga <RemoveMEsergeyTakeThisOuTspamdryga.us>:

> PICdude <picdude3 <at> narwani.org> writes:
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>> I clearly remember stopping kmail during its download from the same
>> hosts and when restarted later it would continue from where it left
>> off. It did delete the downloaded ones off the server in the interim.
>>   The Linux option is looking better and better now.
>>
> KMail has an option to leave messages on the server, it's in account
> options IIRC.

Most do have this option, but I was referring to kmail deleting each  message as it went along, vs. waiting to download the full set, then  deleting the full set.  The latter is what's causing me problems.

2012\03\22@114940 by Anthony Toft

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If you can access the email through IMAP, you _might_ be able to download the email into local folders and delete it from the server. As you will be initiating the process you can select only as many messages as you will successfully download (regardless of the source of error) and then when you confirm they are downloaded, delete only the selected messages. Your client _should_ give you the option of copying between accounts as well (incase you are trying to consolidate accounts)

Although you want to save it to MailDir format, Outlook can achieve this so I would expect all clients to be capable of it.


On 2012-03-22 11:40, PICdude wrote:
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> deleting the full set.  The latter is what's causing me problems.

2012\03\22@232157 by Nuno Sucena Almeida

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On 03/21/2012 09:59 PM, PICdude wrote:
> Or if any of you have any better (simple) ideas?
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> Cheers,
> -Neil.

       I know that you need this for windows, but if you follow someone else's
suggestion of running a unix on a VM, you can give a try with fetchmail,
mbsync, offlineimap among others, if your email client
(mutt,thunderbird,etc) is not able to download all of it.
       I'm a fan of dovecot's dsync, but you need ssh access on the imap server.
                       Cheers,
                               Nuno

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2012\03\23@135046 by John Ferrell

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As I recall, when you are running Thunderbird you can import your emails one user at a time.  Don't use the backup on TBird from the menu, last I tried it, it was not ready for prime time! Use the Mozzilla back up, it works fine to do either partial or full profile back ups. The backup files are in plain ascii. I have not yet started but it looks like a simple list processing program could remove the header junk and leave the relevant information to save quite a lot of chaff from the ASCII files.
Try it, it is free, quick & easy!

On 3/21/2012 9:59 PM, PICdude wrote:
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2012\03\28@201232 by Neil

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Well I was able to get somewhere with this.  I was out of town for the past few days and had a faster internet connection.  Using the webmail interface, I moved all mail in an email account to a temporary folder, then moved 500 messages at a time back to the inbox and POP3'ed it over to Thunderbird.  Took time, but it got done for accounts with 7000, 26000 and 11000 messages.  I'm back to my average-speed account, but only have one more account with ~4700 messages, so hopefully it'll be okay.

Thanks for the help guys.

Cheers,
-Neil.


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