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2005\07\08@145023 by Mike Hord

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I have a hard-drive based MP3 player (a Neuros II,
for anyone wondering) which has become a bit
iffy when trying to copy data onto it.  Basically,
when copying files to the drive, the copying
eventually hangs and gives me a "Cannot copy,
the path is too deep" message.

This seems to happen right about the same "time"
each time, i.e., after ~4GB of data is onboard.

This leads me to believe there may be a bad
sector on the HD, or something similar.  
Scandisk chokes when trying to verify the drive;
it's FAT32 formatted, and my XP machines only
want to format it as NTFS.  Does anyone have
a favorite (free or brief trial) product which will
format the drive to FAT32 and modifiy the FAT
to exclude the bad sections of the drive?  I'm
willing to lose quite a bit of storage space: it
has an 80GB drive and I only need about 35.

I'd hate to have to buy a new disk for it.  :-(

Mike H.

2005\07\08@145556 by Dave VanHorn

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At 01:49 PM 7/8/2005, Mike Hord wrote:
>I have a hard-drive based MP3 player (a Neuros II,
>for anyone wondering) which has become a bit
>iffy when trying to copy data onto it.  Basically,
>when copying files to the drive, the copying
>eventually hangs and gives me a "Cannot copy,
>the path is too deep" message.

I'm getting this on a desktop machine, just recently.
I don't think I'd ever seen this message before.

2005\07\08@151137 by Herbert Graf

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On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 13:49 -0500, Mike Hord wrote:
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Try pretty much any linux distro. If you don't have a version of linux
installed somewhere try one of those "CD" distros that run from a CDR.
TTYL

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2005\07\08@151227 by Mike Hord

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> >I have a hard-drive based MP3 player (a Neuros II,
> >for anyone wondering) which has become a bit
> >iffy when trying to copy data onto it.  Basically,
> >when copying files to the drive, the copying
> >eventually hangs and gives me a "Cannot copy,
> >the path is too deep" message.
>
> I'm getting this on a desktop machine, just recently.
> I don't think I'd ever seen this message before.

Really?  Is it a "new-to-SP2" message, I wonder?

In my case, I'm connected through USB 2.0 to a
2.5" Toshiba disk, from an NTFS XP SP2 machine
to a FAT32 drive.

I get the same message on my work computer,
which has XP Pro, and my home computer, which
has XP Home.  When I sent it back to the
manufacturer, they were unable to find any such
problem.  I like to think they'd have been thorough
enough to copy a truly large amount of data before
declaring it not broken, but who knows?

Mike H.

2005\07\08@151413 by Matthew Fries

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You might try Spinrite. It will lock out the bad sectors without
reformatting.

The nature of that message suggests that the FAT is messed up, not
necessarily bad sectors...



On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, Dave VanHorn wrote:

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2005\07\08@152122 by Mike Hord

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<sheepish grin>

A Google search for "path is too deep"
brought up this link:

http://tinyurl.com/e2nx5
http://codebetter.com/blogs/sahil.malik/archive/2004/08/30/23742.aspx

It appears that:
A.  many are having this problem;
B.  usually to external data sources
(USB drives or network drives);
C.  MS is being charicteristically obtuse
about it;
D.  there are MANY "wave a dead fish"
solutions, but no definite diagnosis so
no definite solution.

Mike H.

2005\07\08@153515 by John J. McDonough

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hord" <spam_OUTmike.hordTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com>
Subject: [OT] Hard drive repair


> eventually hangs and gives me a "Cannot copy,
> the path is too deep" message.

I'm clearly missing something here. Why would you suspect that the problem
is something other than the path is too deep?

--McD

2005\07\08@154246 by John J. McDonough

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hord" <.....mike.hordKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com>
Subject: [OT] Hard drive repair


> it's FAT32 formatted, and my XP machines only
> want to format it as NTFS.  Does anyone have
> a favorite (free or brief trial) product which will
> format the drive to FAT32 and modifiy the FAT
> to exclude the bad sections of the drive?  I'm
> willing to lose quite a bit of storage space: it
> has an 80GB drive and I only need about 35.

If you break the drive up into 3 partitions, you can format it FAT32.  There
is something really odd I discovered recently.  FAT32 partitions are allowed
to be over a terabyte, and WinXP will but quite happy with large FAT32
partitions, provided someone else formatted them. (Although I've never
actually used a FAT32 partition larger than 60G).  But XP itself will not
format a FAT32 partition larger than 32G.  Not sure why the limitation, but
XP has been perfectly happy (for me) with FAT32 partitions formatted by Disk
Druid and Norton Ghost.

For very large partitions it probably is a better plan to use NTFS, but on
XP Home, you need a way to escape the NTFS security.  But if you are using
XP Pro, I'd suggest NTFS anyway.

--McD

2005\07\08@154503 by Mike Hord

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> > eventually hangs and gives me a "Cannot copy,
> > the path is too deep" message.
>
> I'm clearly missing something here. Why would you suspect that the problem
> is something other than the path is too deep?
>
> --McD

Because I get that message when copying from
C:\Music to F:\Music.  That's a damn short path
to be complaining about.  At first, I thought
shortening the path would fix it (my music was
buried in My Documents, which in turn is in
Documents and Settings, under my user profile,
etc.  Pretty deep.).  It didn't help, however.

Some days, I really hate technology.  I just
spent seven days in the wilderness and I already
wish I'd never returned.

Mike H.

2005\07\08@155027 by Dave VanHorn

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At 02:44 PM 7/8/2005, Mike Hord wrote:
> > > eventually hangs and gives me a "Cannot copy,
> > > the path is too deep" message.
> >
> > I'm clearly missing something here. Why would you suspect that the problem
> > is something other than the path is too deep?
> >
> > --McD
>
>Because I get that message when copying from
>C:\Music to F:\Music.

In my case, copying from D:\project to shared documents folder.
Hard to see why the path should be "too deep".



2005\07\08@160058 by Mike Hord

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> For very large partitions it probably is a better plan to use NTFS, but on
> XP Home, you need a way to escape the NTFS security.  But if you are using
> XP Pro, I'd suggest NTFS anyway.

I'd love to, but not really an option, since the device
itself has to be able to read the drive in order to play
the music on it, and I'm reasonably sure it doesn't
read NTFS.

Mike H.

2005\07\08@173637 by olin piclist

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Mike Hord wrote:
> Because I get that message when copying from
> C:\Music to F:\Music.  That's a damn short path
> to be complaining about.

Not necessarily.  The pathnames of the tops of the two trees may be short,
but how do you know there aren't files in there somwhere that have long
pathnames?


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2005\07\08@174553 by p.cousens

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I'd just like to agree that spinrite is a truly awesome program at
sorting out HD errors,  if that IS the problem. http://www.grc.com for details

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2005\07\08@180321 by Mike Hord

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> > Because I get that message when copying from
> > C:\Music to F:\Music.  That's a damn short path
> > to be complaining about.
>
> Not necessarily.  The pathnames of the tops of the two trees may be short,
> but how do you know there aren't files in there somwhere that have long
> pathnames?

It does tell me which file it has trouble with, and the
length is frequently shorter than the length of files
which have already loaded.

Not only that, but ALL of this data is data that was
copied onto this computer from the drive I'm trying
to load it back onto.

Mike H.

2005\07\09@081923 by Peter van Hoof

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One of the things to watch out for is if windows is set up to show hidden and
system filles which it WILL COPY when doing drag and drop file copying. If you
drag from a ntfs to a fat32 even from root to root you could have these problems

I verified this by creating c:\test\hiddenfolder and setting the hiddenfolder
property's to hidden.
then set explorer to hide hidden files (tools, folder options, view, files and
folders, hidden files and folders, do not show hidden files and folders).

Now drag the test folder to a different disk (or empty spot on the same disk)
and make the hidden/system files visible again
there will be a hiddenfolder in the copy of the test folder.

PvH


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2005\07\11@094329 by alan smith

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Mike...how old is it?  First, have you tried Neuros to see if they will replace it for you?  Second, if the utility doesnt prove out...ebay has had some on for fairly cheap.  I actually prefer my Neuros over my ipod....

Mike Hord <mike.hordspamKILLspamgmail.com> wrote:I have a hard-drive based MP3 player (a Neuros II,
for anyone wondering) which has become a bit
iffy when trying to copy data onto it. Basically,
when copying files to the drive, the copying
eventually hangs and gives me a "Cannot copy,
the path is too deep" message.

This seems to happen right about the same "time"
each time, i.e., after ~4GB of data is onboard.

This leads me to believe there may be a bad
sector on the HD, or something similar.
Scandisk chokes when trying to verify the drive;
it's FAT32 formatted, and my XP machines only
want to format it as NTFS. Does anyone have
a favorite (free or brief trial) product which will
format the drive to FAT32 and modifiy the FAT
to exclude the bad sections of the drive? I'm
willing to lose quite a bit of storage space: it
has an 80GB drive and I only need about 35.

I'd hate to have to buy a new disk for it. :-(

Mike H.

2005\07\11@094804 by alan smith

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I didnt read all the posts before I replied....but, why not try using one of the two Neuros sync programs to reload it rather than just try and copy?  I've done this...just copied....using the older flash based units and it works fine, but not with one using a large disk.  You are aware of the Neruos provided program...plus the other freeware one...I assume?  I dont have the names because they reside on my laptop that I dont have with me right now



               
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2005\07\11@100846 by Mike Hord

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It's not very old- five months or so.

> I didnt read all the posts before I replied....but, why not
>try using one of the two Neuros sync programs to reload
> it rather than just try and copy?  I've done this...just
>copied....using the older flash based units and it works
>fine, but not with one using a large disk.  You are aware
>of the Neruos provided program...plus the other freeware
>one...I assume?  I dont have the names because they
> reside on my laptop that I dont have with me right now

I suppose it's worth a try.  I haven't tried it yet because
historically it takes several times as long as just copying
the data "manually", so to speak.

I actually sent it back to Neuros and the were "unable
to duplicate the problem".  Since I have been able to
duplicate the error message on two different computers,
that leads me to believe that they just didn't copy
enough data to see it (I usually see the problem after
upwards to 4 GB have been copied- sometimes as
little as 3 or as many as 7.)

If it comes down to it, I may either buy a replacement
HD and swap it out or wait until the Neuros 3 comes
out and trade it in (if they do the same kind of trade
program they did with the Neuros 2).  I bought a
Neuros on ebay and it did NOT go well.

Mike H.

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