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2005\09\29@082823 by William Couture

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Well, it's sort of a "good news -- bad news" thing.

I've just accepted a job offer, I start monday.

It's only 10 minutes from my house.

But, they don't use PICs.  They use 8051's, with new designs
using AVRs.

Bill

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2005\09\29@095422 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> But, they don't use PICs.  They use 8051's, with new designs
> using AVRs.

They don't want to sell their products for more than 1-2 years?

Wouter van Ooijen

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2005\09\29@100414 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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>> But, they don't use PICs.  They use 8051's, with new designs using
>> AVRs.
>
>They don't want to sell their products for more than 1-2 years?
>
>Wouter van Ooijen

The 8051 architecture is still one of the most popular 8 bit microcontroller cores.  I spoke to an Atmal rep a few weeks ago who said that their sales of 8051 micros far outstrip their AVR's.

Regards

Mike

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2005\09\29@103733 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> >They don't want to sell their products for more than 1-2 years?
> >Wouter van Ooijen
>
> The 8051 architecture is still one of the most popular 8 bit
> microcontroller cores.  I spoke to an Atmal rep a few weeks
> ago who said that their sales of 8051 micros far outstrip their AVR's.

The OP stated that they switched to AVRs for new designs. AVRs have a
moderately bad reputation for being phased our reqlatively soon
(compared to for instance PICs). Hence I joked that his employer
probably did not want to sell his products longer than a few years.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2005\09\29@110042 by William Couture

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On 9/29/05, Wouter van Ooijen <wouterspamKILLspamvoti.nl> wrote:
> > But, they don't use PICs.  They use 8051's, with new designs
> > using AVRs.
>
> They don't want to sell their products for more than 1-2 years?

I actually asked about this in the interview.  The EE said that
rapid EOL on parts wasn't a problem, as they always introduced
a pin-compatible backwards-compatible version of the chip.

I decided not to bring up silicon errata and reports I've heard
here on the piclist about availability if you don't buy in
enormous quantity.

Bill

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2005\09\29@110643 by David Van Horn

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> But, they don't use PICs.  They use 8051's, with new designs
> using AVRs.

Feel the power, of the dark side!  :)

Congratulations!



2005\09\29@110940 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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Yep, I see that now, I though you were refering to the 8051 :-)

Regards

Mike

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2005\09\29@113536 by Harold Hallikainen

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> The OP stated that they switched to AVRs for new designs. AVRs have a
> moderately bad reputation for being phased our reqlatively soon
> (compared to for instance PICs). Hence I joked that his employer
> probably did not want to sell his products longer than a few years.
>


I've had LOTS of PICs go obsolete on me. Fortunately, Microchip provides
an upgrade path where I can drop in the new chip with no hardware or
software changes. It's interesting that as Microchip adds featurs (maybe
changing a timer from 8 bit to 16 bit), the default mode is the old one so
you don't have to make any software changes. Just yesterday we were
looking at moving from the 18F6720 to the 18F6722. I think the product has
been in production for a year or two. During design, it was real difficult
to get samples of the 18F6720, as it was real new. Now it's being phased
out. I'm REALLY GLAD Microchip provides an upgrade path!!!

Harold

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2005\09\29@115856 by Howard Winter

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Harold,

(Sorry for misspelling your name a few days ago - I was thinking of the Bluetooth chap :-)

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:35:32 -0700 (PDT), Harold Hallikainen wrote:

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> I've had LOTS of PICs go obsolete on me. Fortunately, Microchip provides
> an upgrade path where I can drop in the new chip with no hardware or
> software changes. It's interesting that as Microchip adds featurs (maybe
> changing a timer from 8 bit to 16 bit), the default mode is the old one so
> you don't have to make any software changes.

It's called "Backwards compatibility", and it was all the rage until Microsoft came along...  luckily
companies without a monopoly see it as a Good Thing!  :-)

Cheers,

Howard

2005\09\29@121848 by William Chops Westfield

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On Sep 29, 2005, at 7:36 AM, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:

> AVRs have a moderately bad reputation for being phased our
> relatively soon (compared to for instance PICs).

Yeah, maybe.  On the other hand, the phased-out AVRs are generally
replaced with pin-compatible, near-software-compatible chips.  You
have to wonder about companies that still NEED to buy the PIC16C84
that microchip still makes available, for instance.  Maybe they deleted
all the comments to save space, eh?  :-)

BillW

2005\09\29@124555 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 03:04 PM 9/29/2005 +0100, you wrote:


>The 8051 architecture is still one of the most popular 8 bit
>microcontroller cores.  I spoke to an Atmal rep a few weeks ago who said
>that their sales of 8051 micros far outstrip their AVR's.

They are extremely popular in Asia, IME. It's totally priced-driven.

Even at Digikey (hint: not the cheapest source in the world) you can get
a 40-pin Atmel micro (8K bytes flash) for $1.33 in 100's.

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2005\09\29@131643 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> I've had LOTS of PICs go obsolete on me.

are there any PICs that are realy no longer available?

Wouter van Ooijen

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2005\09\29@153655 by Brian Aase

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The 16C61 comes to mind.  (I used that in a design
for my previous emloyer some several years back.)

Brian Aase

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> are there any PICs that are realy no longer available?
>
> Wouter van Ooijen

2005\09\29@162050 by alan smith

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I still have an active design that uses the 16C54.  The volume is too low to justify doing anything with it, since we can still purchase the part.

William Chops Westfield <@spam@westfwKILLspamspammac.com> wrote:On Sep 29, 2005, at 7:36 AM, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:

> AVRs have a moderately bad reputation for being phased our
> relatively soon (compared to for instance PICs).

Yeah, maybe. On the other hand, the phased-out AVRs are generally
replaced with pin-compatible, near-software-compatible chips. You
have to wonder about companies that still NEED to buy the PIC16C84
that microchip still makes available, for instance. Maybe they deleted
all the comments to save space, eh? :-)

BillW

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