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2005\10\10@003022 by Russell McMahon

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Australian Defence Force wants YOU to fly their aircraft (apparently).
So they give away a free flight simulator.
149 MB to download so it must be good [ :-) ].

Annoyingly intrusive questions.
And if you don't live in Oz you'll probably have to randomly choose a
state that you live in.
Below page gives some info on what you can expect.

   > http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/default.asp?p=500

Ref: Matthew McMahon (who lives in Oz)



           RM





2005\10\10@061415 by Jinx

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"An excellent 3D space flight simulator. This game is as close
as it gets to flying a real spaceship, from landing and docking
to taking off and flying. However this means there are no space
battles with massive explosions and flashing UFOs, but the
game is still great.

The only problem is this game is so accurate and detailed that
it takes a large amount of reading before you can properly
operate the spaceshuttle and do some space exploration"

"Don't expect aliens and explosions, but if you like to think for
fun, you're gonna love this one."

http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/download.html

2005 Edition - Full distribution (v.050116)

Base 39MB
Hires textures (optional)  76MB
Orbiter SDK (optional) 2MB

2005\10\10@074053 by Andy Armstrong

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On 10 Oct 2005, at 05:29, Russell McMahon wrote:
> Australian Defence Force wants YOU to fly their aircraft (apparently).
> So they give away a free flight simulator.
> 149 MB to download so it must be good [ :-) ].
>
> Annoyingly intrusive questions.
> And if you don't live in Oz you'll probably have to randomly choose  
> a state that you live in.
> Below page gives some info on what you can expect.
>
>    > http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/default.asp?p=500

And it's Windows only... :(

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Andy Armstrong, hexten.net

2005\10\10@074651 by philip pemberton

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Quoting Jinx <spam_OUTjoecolquittTakeThisOuTspamclear.net.nz>:

> "An excellent 3D space flight simulator. This game is as close
> as it gets to flying a real spaceship, from landing and docking
> to taking off and flying. However this means there are no space
> battles with massive explosions and flashing UFOs, but the
> game is still great.

Ooo, Orbiter. I haven't played with that in months - been spending most of my
"gaming time" playing Half-Life. "Die headcrab, die!" and all that.

> The only problem is this game is so accurate and detailed that
> it takes a large amount of reading before you can properly
> operate the spaceshuttle and do some space exploration"

Ho yus. I ended up reading (IIRC) the 60-odd page flight manual to get the
keyboard controls, then the manual for the Deltaglider, then some tutorials as
well. It isn't easy to learn, but it isn't difficult either.

Allegiance is nice too - a game Microsoft Games opensourced.
http://www.FreeAllegiance.org IIRC. 3D space shooter, very involved...
No Gravity (Realtech-VR?) is also pretty good.
Take a look at http://www.the-underdogs.org if you've got a few hours to spare - it's a
big retrogaming (I guess that's the right word to use..) site that concentrates
on lesser-known games, so not your Half-Lifes and GTAs, more stuff like
Allegiance and No Gravity...

> Base 39MB
> Hires textures (optional)  76MB
> Orbiter SDK (optional) 2MB

"got broadband?" :D
And yes, it does look nice with the HiRes Texture Pack installed. Especially on
a 128MB GeForce 6600GT with antialiasing and quality overrides enabled and
cranked right up. It will work fine on a 500MHz Celeron, but you NEED a good
graphics card (read: GeForce3 or better, ideally a GeForce 6-series).

Later.
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Phil.
.....philpemKILLspamspam@spam@dsl.pipex.com
http://www.philpem.me.uk/

2005\10\10@203918 by Jinx

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There's this little distraction too

http://www.acid-play.com/download/rekkaturvat-truck-dismount/

I suppose you could call it a simulation. What actually happens
isn't quite so bad as the description implies. All very clinical in
a crash-test-dummy way. My nephew's best score was 48,000,
by flipping the truck end-over-end and bouncing on the dummy
rather a lot

It's no worse than throwing penguins guys ......;-)

2005\10\13@041108 by Dmitriy Kiryashov

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Why certain folks are looking for soldiers
unless another global war is coming ? ...


Russell McMahon wrote:
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2005\10\13@072230 by Xiaofan Chen

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Since very few people would volunteer to go to the ARMY,
especially those who will need to go to potential very very
dangerous places.

On 10/13/05, Dmitriy Kiryashov <vze27bymspamKILLspamverizon.net> wrote:
> Why certain folks are looking for soldiers
> unless another global war is coming ? ...
>

2005\10\13@100517 by Russell McMahon

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> Why certain folks are looking for soldiers
> unless another global war is coming ? ...

I assume that had an implied :-) or perhaps :-(.

Everyone is always looking for soldiers.
If you can convince the young and capable that they will have lots of
hi tech toys to play with it increases the pool you can select from.

And global war is an ongoing reality :-(.
You'll always find a war or three running somewhere on earth. And if
there are few declared ones at any momemnt there are enough centuries
old undeclared ones to keep the system running.


       RM

2005\10\14@022938 by Dmitriy Kiryashov

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Hi Russell.

Don't be concerned about thoughts of the man
influenced by global paranoia :)

Actual question between the lines was if there is any other
approach but war with same or even bigger effectiveness to
put people mind, talents and efforts together in reach of
higher goals, to pursue and discover something unknown and
gain new horizons, reaching more stability and prosperity.

War and money so far only... Any other ideas ? :)

( Should be leaving no space inside for bureaucrats as well :)


WBR Dmitry.



Russell McMahon wrote:
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2005\10\14@071119 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Dmitriy Kiryashov wrote:

> Actual question between the lines was if there is any other
> approach but war with same or even bigger effectiveness to
> put people mind, talents and efforts together in reach of
> higher goals, to pursue and discover something unknown and
> gain new horizons, reaching more stability and prosperity.
>
> War and money so far only... Any other ideas ? :)

Try Samba... works for some :)

Seriously, with all the challenges to "normal life" that Brazilian culture
presents, there's one thing that this culture has (like some other "less
developed" cultures) that most of the "more developed" don't: they never
started a war.

I think there are some problems with the common understanding of concepts
like higher goals (people tend to think their goals are higher than other
people's goals), stability (tends to be associated with power to control
the instable elements) and prosperity (tends to be prosperity for some on
the back of others).

Gerhard

2005\10\14@071129 by Russell McMahon

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> Hi Russell.
>
> Don't be concerned about thoughts of the man
> influenced by global paranoia :)
>
> Actual question between the lines was if there is any other
> approach but war with same or even bigger effectiveness to
> put people mind, talents and efforts together in reach of
> higher goals, to pursue and discover something unknown and
> gain new horizons, reaching more stability and prosperity.
>
> War and money so far only... Any other ideas ? :)

Well, yes, but I'm apparently not allowed to mention it on list :-)


           Russell


2005\10\14@131328 by Padu

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From: "Gerhard Fiedler"
>
> Try Samba... works for some :)
>

And futebol (soccer for the USA)... we don't seek world dominance because we
have our soccer team, which gives us world dominance 8^)


> Seriously, with all the challenges to "normal life" that Brazilian culture
> presents, there's one thing that this culture has (like some other "less
> developed" cultures) that most of the "more developed" don't: they never
> started a war.


I believe I have all rights to speak about Brasil, because I am a Brazilian.
We never started a was and I believe we never will for several reasons: 1)
the corrupt politicians don't let the money get to the military 2) there are
so many things that have a much bigger priority than military expenditures
3) we don't have a culture of war, although we have a very high pride in
being brazilian. If we were threatened (in our own territory), I don't
believe there is one brazilian that wouldn't fight to defend our nation,
even with knives and machetes if necessary


> I think there are some problems with the common understanding of concepts
> like higher goals (people tend to think their goals are higher than other
> people's goals), stability (tends to be associated with power to control
> the instable elements) and prosperity (tends to be prosperity for some on
> the back of others).

I agree with you. I like to think that every story has two sides, yours and
mine. Both of them are right from each one's point of view. For americans,
North Korea is evil, for North Korea, americans are evil... It all depends
on the reference point.
For our culture (myself included), it is inadmissible for somebody to fight
a war dressing with explosives and killing dozens of civilians, for some
others, that's a bless.


Have you ever been to Brasil? If yes you'll see that we have better things
to do than going to war... going to the beaches, chasing girls and
playing/watching futebol are amongst the more popular ones.


Cheers

Padu

2005\10\14@132311 by James Newtons Massmind

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> Actual question between the lines was if there is any other
> approach but war with same or even bigger effectiveness to
> put people mind, talents and efforts together in reach of
> higher goals, to pursue and discover something unknown and
> gain new horizons, reaching more stability and prosperity.
>
> War and money so far only... Any other ideas ? :)

I shouldn't say this, but sometimes I just need to speak the hard cold
facts... As I see them.

It is all based in the "desire" of each persons genes to be reproduced. From
that basic "hardwired" desire all motivations develop. Sex <= Power <= Money
<= War. War is just killing the other guys genes and taking resources so
that your genes have a better chance to reproduce. As long as the gas prices
drop or don't increase, the support of the US population for stealing the
oil from Iraq will continue.

There may have been other forms of life that were not totally motivated by a
desire to reproduce, but they seem to have died out.

Bottom line: My genes want my kids living from the sweat of your brow, your
kids dead and my sperm in your wife. If your kids look like my kids, then
maybe it's ok for them to live as long as they work for me.

Given that this is were each of us is really starting from, the fact that
there is any civility in the world at all is amazing. It would be wonderful
(for a while) if everyone was actually concerned for others and wanted to
all work together and not compete, and I wish it was that way...

...but it isn't. Reality: that which remains after you stop believing in it.
War is still here despite many people not believing in it. Genes are the
reason.

Please note that I did NOT say that I wanted those things, just that there
is a biological imperative based on the goals of genetic reproduction which
probably pushes me, and everyone else, in that direction. I am a sweet,
caring and giving soul who would never harm a hair on the head of another
living thing.

So if you want peace, and peoples mind, talents, and efforts all working
together, find a project where each of us gets an entire, earth-like
paradise to populate with our kids... Of course, then people will try to
sabotage the ships carrying others genes to other planets...

There is also some possibility that when population reaches a certain level,
mother nature reduces the desire of genes to reproduce in order to keep
"crazy Eddie" (*)cycles from occurring. There are some people who do not
have the sexual drive that would result in reproduction and therefore may
not have the genetic imperative to reproduce. Studies with rats and other
animals have shown that this behavior increases with increases in
population. Interestingly enough, not having a desire that leads to
reproduction is so foreign to the makeup of the "breeders" that it seems to
lead to fear and prosecution of the "non-breeders."  e.g. "...it just ain't
natural..." and "...an abomination to God..." and so on.

Just talking about all that is depressing as heck. I'm going to take the
blue pill and go back to the world of roses and butterflies.

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James.

* From the book "A Mote in God's Eye"

2005\10\14@135744 by David Van Horn

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> I am a sweet, caring and giving soul who would never harm a hair on
> the head of another living thing.

Then again, that's exactly what you'd WANT us to think!  :)




2005\10\14@165852 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Padu wrote:

>> Try Samba... works for some :)
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> And futebol
[...]
> Have you ever been to Brasil?

Not sure if that was a question for me, but just in case: I'm living in
Brasil :)

Gerhard

2005\10\15@025709 by Dmitriy Kiryashov

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Hi James.

Your proposal to migrate will not work after awhile since people won't change
as a result. I believe humans are half biology based and half what is called
upbringing. Briefly it is impossible now to isolate our children from being
taught our mistakes together with what we think our achievments are.
The best from the best should be carefully educated to teach young folks.
Proper things explained and placed in heads certainly will help to prevent
most of that genetic behaviour :) It's called the negative feedback theory
and well known to engineers ( how get things stabilized in practice )

The main question is money vs quality of things done as result.
Optimization keep bending towards less money spent the better.
And that's everywhere. That freaken conspiracy will bury everybody at the end
including those who originally spinned it. I don't get how that is ignored :)


WBR Dmitry.



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James Newtons Massmind wrote:
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2005\10\15@034151 by Dmitriy Kiryashov

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Hi James. Interesting comparision just came in mind.

Gene based theory ( low level ) is related to human complex behaviour
( much higher level ) in similar way as quantum nature of hydrogen atom
( spinning electrons and all that stuff, remark: which I'm not sure it
exactly that way myself, anyway ) as atom nature of hydrogen is related
to properties of water ( difficult to decreaze volume by pressurizing,
phase states etc ) Or melting points of metals in certain alloys far
above the melting point of alloy itself.

Other words - on larger scale models different optimization approaches
are working independently and very well thus significantly reducing
original properties ( behaviour ) of components ( human genes :)

Somebody might be very interesting indeed to bring in up and keep it
that way for most of us. Religion ? Brainwashing ? Conspiracy again ? :)


WBR Dmitry.


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2005\10\15@074807 by WH Tan

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On 10/10/05, philip pemberton <.....philpemKILLspamspam.....dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> Allegiance is nice too - a game Microsoft Games opensourced.
> http://www.FreeAllegiance.org IIRC. 3D space shooter, very involved...
> No Gravity (Realtech-VR?) is also pretty good.
> Take a look at http://www.the-underdogs.org if you've got a few hours to spare - it's a
> big retrogaming (I guess that's the right word to use..) site that concentrates
> on lesser-known games, so not your Half-Lifes and GTAs, more stuff like
> Allegiance and No Gravity...


I thought only me who will play computer games occasionally... Your
reference links sound good!

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WH Tan

2005\10\15@123032 by James Newtons Massmind

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You can't win, you can't break even , you can't get out of the game.

I decided a long time ago that the purpose of life was to keep yourself out
of moods were you started wondering about the purpose of life.

---
James.



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2005\10\17@142331 by Chetan Bhargava

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On 10/10/05, Andy Armstrong <EraseMEandyspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuThexten.net> wrote:
> And it's Windows only... :(


Open Source Flight Simulator:
http://www.flightgear.org/

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