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'[OT] Fisher & Paykel appliances'
2005\11\29@200914 by Bob Ammerman

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A quick question for those of you living on the bottom half of this big blue
marble...


A local store has recently begun selling Fisher & Paykel laundry appliances.
I am very impressed by what I see as excellent uses of technology. For
example, their washing machine uses a direct drive DC motor to eliminate all
kinds of mechanical belts, gears, clutches and the like. I am considering
buying a washer/dryer pair. So...

What is the general opinion of F & P appliances?

Are they reliable?

Would you buy one?

Thanks,

Bob Ammerman

2005\11\29@205729 by Jinx

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> What is the general opinion of F & P appliances?

Thumbs up

> Are they reliable?

> Would you buy one?

Yes and yes. They've won many awards over the years for
innovation and design

2005\11\29@215132 by Ian Stewart

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My reply is the same as Jinx

Ian
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2005\11\29@230746 by Richard Prosser

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Yep,
We've got a washer & a dishwasher. All OK as far as I can tell.
Like most things, they had some problems with the early models but
have them pretty well sorted by now.
Just as well as they charge an arm and a leg for relacement pcbs stc.

RP

On 30/11/05, Ian Stewart <zl2tisspamKILLspamorcon.net.nz> wrote:
> My reply is the same as Jinx
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> Ian
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2005\11\30@044139 by Alan B. Pearce

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>What is the general opinion of F & P appliances?
>Are they reliable?
>Would you buy one?

Yes. When we were resident in NZ we had F&P fridge, freezer, washing machine
and dishwasher. When we moved to the UK we brought the dishwasher with us,
the other items were that old they were not worth shipping.

A good number of years back now, my father went to look at a washing machine
that another family in the church had bought in the UK while there in the
diplomatic service, and had shipped back to NZ. They had done enough
research to know that this make/model was sold in NZ by F&P, under licence.
My father got to look at it because it was leaking water around the spindle.
It turned out that when F&P had started making it they found this problem,
and had redesigned the relevant area with a ceramic surface that did not
wear, and Dad was able to buy a complete upgrade kit to repair the machine.
That is the sort of innovation that F&P have done.

The direct drive machine you mention is now about 10-12 years old as a
concept from them. I believe GE make the motor for them, as it was a joint
development between GE and F&P.

There is only one thing I would look out for. The early models of the Gentle
Annie washers were rather lighter in weight than previous models, and people
had problems with the machine moving around when the washing was not evenly
balanced during the spin cycle. It may be that these days they have done
something to sort this out - Jinx and Russell (and any other Kiwis) will be
in a better position to comment on this aspect.

Interestingly LG now make a direct drive washer in the UK. The advertising
literature suggests that they invented the concept and that it is "all brand
new" as an idea ...

2005\11\30@050342 by Russell McMahon

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> What is the general opinion of F & P appliances?

Well regarded.
My washing machine and clothes drye are F&P.

And the few I've had in the last 30 years have been as well.
We got 15+ years out of a new dryer and 10+ out of a second hand one.

On our 3rd F&P wasjing machine -all second hand. I tend to buy ones
with minor faults and resurrect them until they die properly.

> Are they reliable?

As good as anything around more or less. Good value for money here.
Not as cheapas some imports.

> Would you buy one?

See above.

My fridge and my stove are also F&P FWIW - but I got those cheap
through a relative.)
The fridge has been fine. The stove warming drawer is junk but
otherwise OK.


       RM

2005\11\30@055647 by Jinx

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> That is the sort of innovation that F&P have done

I think the last big innovation they came up with was the
world's first domestic top-loading tumble washer

2005\11\30@091251 by Bob Ammerman

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From: "Jinx" <.....joecolquittKILLspamspam.....clear.net.nz>


>> That is the sort of innovation that F&P have done
>
> I think the last big innovation they came up with was the
> world's first domestic top-loading tumble washer

er.... do you mean dryer. And if you do, that is indeed what they are
selling here.

Bob

2005\11\30@095442 by Tony Smith

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Why would you want a top loading dryer?

Tony


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2005\11\30@104027 by Mike Hord

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> Why would you want a top loading dryer?
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> Tony

Lots of reasons.  When my dryer door is open, it is
so close to the toilet one needs to step over the
toilet to get out of the room.  Top loader would
solve that problem.

Plus, going from a top load washer to a top load
dryer next door would greatly reduce the chances
of throwing clean, damp wash on the floor to pick
up dust, cat hair, etc.  Especially convenient if
the two are made such that the doors either open
toward the back of the machine, or can be
rearranged to prevent a door being between the
two regardless of which order they sit in on the
floor.

Mike H.

2005\11\30@115253 by Tony Smith

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Fair enough.  In my case both washer & dryer are front loading, you stack one on top of the other.  You put the basket on the floor
in front of the door, then you just shovel the clothes in/out.

I think you need to have a word with the architect/builder of your house.  Dryers don't weigh much, bolt it to the wall above the
washer.  Most have a couple of small slots in the back that clip onto a bracket.

Tony

2005\11\30@120936 by Mike Hord

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> I think you need to have a word with the architect/builder
> of your house.  Dryers don't weigh much, bolt it to the
> wall above the washer.  Most have a couple of small
> slots in the back that clip onto a bracket.

My "house" is a 32 year old trailer home- 65'x12'.  There's
a reason the laundry is in with the toilet. ;-)

OTOH, it was VERY cheap, I walk to work, and my wife
walks to school.  She'll be done soon enough, and then
we can move into an even older house.

Mike H.

2005\11\30@123524 by Danny Sauer

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Mike wrote regarding 'Re: [OT] Fisher & Paykel appliances' on Wed, Nov 30 at 09:43:
> > Why would you want a top loading dryer?
> >
> > Tony
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> Lots of reasons.  When my dryer door is open, it is
> so close to the toilet one needs to step over the
> toilet to get out of the room.  Top loader would
> solve that problem.

So I've gotta ask - why are you leaving the dryer door open when you
leave the room?  Wouldn't it be cheaper to just close the door than to
buy a new dryer? :)  For what it's worth, I don't know how many times
I had to pull the washer and dryer out to get a sock which had fallen
in the crack between the top-loaders before we got the front-loading
Duet (which was a gift, but I'd definitely pay for, having used them
for a while) - so make sure you put something over the gap if you do
end up with a top-loading pair.

If it makes you feel any better, the bathroom in my house is so small
that the toilet needs to be sat on kinda sideways, because the sink's
right in front of it (even with the toilet slightly angled in the room
- which is probably terrible Feng Shui).  There's barely enough room
to open the door while the room's occupied - two people require some
advanced coreography in order to get out of the room.

--Danny

2005\11\30@150729 by Bob Ammerman

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> Why would you want a top loading dryer?
>
> Tony

1: It makes it real easy to transfer the clothes from the washer!


2: It has a great auto-cleaning lint-filter system.


3: The drum rotates in both directions to reduce tangling.

Bob

2005\11\30@152211 by Jinx

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> > I think the last big innovation they came up with was the
> > world's first domestic top-loading tumble washer
>
> er.... do you mean dryer. And if you do, that is indeed what they are
> selling here.

Ah, you could be right. I was initially thinking a top-loading
dryer would be too easy. But IANAF&PE, so what would
I know ;-)

2005\11\30@230354 by Tony Smith

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> > Why would you want a top loading dryer?
> >
> > Tony
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> 1: It makes it real easy to transfer the clothes from the washer!
> 2: It has a great auto-cleaning lint-filter system.
> 3: The drum rotates in both directions to reduce tangling.
>
> Bob


That sounds like the sales pitch for front-loading washing machines.

Tony


'[OT] Fisher & Paykel appliances'
2005\12\01@022144 by Russell McMahon
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>> > Why would you want a top loading dryer?

>> 1: It makes it real easy to transfer the clothes from the washer!
>> 2: It has a great auto-cleaning lint-filter system.
>> 3: The drum rotates in both directions to reduce tangling.

> That sounds like the sales pitch for front-loading washing machines.

That's the point.
The top loading horizontal drum system allegedly gives you the
advantages of both systems. Whether it has the disadvantages of both
systems doesn't seem to get mentioned :-),

       RM

2005\12\01@080758 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 12/1/05, Russell McMahon <KILLspamapptechKILLspamspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> > Why would you want a top loading dryer?
>
> >> 1: It makes it real easy to transfer the clothes from the washer!
> >> 2: It has a great auto-cleaning lint-filter system.
> >> 3: The drum rotates in both directions to reduce tangling.
>
> > That sounds like the sales pitch for front-loading washing machines.
>
> That's the point.
> The top loading horizontal drum system allegedly gives you the
> advantages of both systems. Whether it has the disadvantages of both
> systems doesn't seem to get mentioned :-),
>
>        RM
>

What are the disadvantages of the F&P? After being scared about the
lousy quality of Japanese brands and Korean brands, I almost bought a
Fisher & Paykel washing machine from local Havey Norman shop last
year. Somehow the sales person mentioned that it is a bit fragile and
I later decided to buy a European brand (Brandt). I like the Brandt
washing machine much better than the previous Samsung. Generally
speaking I
think the European brands of home appliances are much more reliable.
Philips may be an exception. My DVD player and TV are from Philips
but they are not up to its European quality.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2005\12\01@105533 by Alan B. Pearce

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>What are the disadvantages of the F&P?

Don't know that there are any.

>After being scared about the lousy quality
>of Japanese brands and Korean brands, I almost
>bought a Fisher & Paykel washing machine from
>local Havey Norman shop last year. Somehow the
>sales person mentioned that it is a bit fragile
...
> Generally speaking I think the European brands of
>home appliances are much more reliable. Philips may
>be an exception. My DVD player and TV are from
>Philips but they are not up to its European quality.

I wouldn't bet on it. The appliances made in the UK certainly seem to be
built to fail in a specific time, and the repair cost makes it more
economical to buy a new one. Every so often the watchdog program on TV has a
major go at the manufacturers over a specific problem with a model where
they are obviously attempting to cut costs and introduced a problem by doing
so.

The German originated appliances do seem to be better regarded in this area
though, and I would put F&P in the same league as the best European
manufacturers.

I have never been specially impressed with Philips consumer items or test
equipment. Individual components seem to be excellent quality, although
there is some talk in local electronics press of the possibility of Philips
selling off this business.

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