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2016\01\23@163154 by IVP

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I had this appear as a pop-up when reading the paper this morning

http://radiationchip.co.nz/

http://radiationchip.co.nz/how-it-works/

Doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe I'll follow this up with an
advertising or other authority

Interestingly, the Google map provided by them can't be zoomed in
on, the real one can

https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-36.8840784,174.7607555,71m/data=!3m1!1e3

Joe


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2016\01\23@170146 by Nicola Perotto

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On 23/01/2016 21:29, IVP wrote:
> I had this appear as a pop-up when reading the paper this morning
>
> http://radiationchip.co.nz/
>
> http://radiationchip.co.nz/how-it-works/
>
> Doesn't make any sense to me.
"carried out other tests which concluded that the Chip does not reduce or alter the strength of EMF"
Oh, it make sense! ;-)


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2016\01\23@173802 by IVP

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> Oh, it make sense! ;-)

For a brief moment I did try to take it seriously. Doesn't absorb
energy from the "nasty" field yet somehow, apparently otherwise
unpowered, manages to emit a high frequency random field of its
own. "High frequency" is an understatment

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:LowLevelEntityToPrint_ETNEW&Type=text/html&Locale=english-skin-custom&Path=ETD/2012/04/08&ID=Ar02100

"Enviro Chips operate at frequencies between 500 and 600 THz,
above frequencies of gridlines of the geomagnetic field. They generate
waves to 'harmonise' Earth's radiations"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terahertz_radiation

This particular product seems to be a very Indian thing

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-04-08/news/31305328_1_bharat-oman-refineries-oman-oil-chips

Searching for Lecher antenna brings up all sorts of babble

I'm done, back to the real world

Joe


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2016\01\24@102200 by embedded systems

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Joe,
there are a lot of weird "antennas" or "chips" claiming various things
about the EM, magnetic and other types of fields. Some people are spending
huge amount of money on such devices. One of these is torser.
http://www.torser.com/en/index.aspx

Unfortunately none of these devices action can be verified using scientific
procedures.

What I can tell you for sure is that living plants absorb low level EM
radiation, known as "electrosmog".
You may see one of our papers describing this, uploaded here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287621385_Plant_irradiation_device_in_microwave_field_with_controlled_environment

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Vasile

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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:29 PM, IVP <spam_OUTjoecolquittTakeThisOuTspamclear.net.nz> wrote:

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2016\01\24@164435 by IVP

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> there are a lot of weird "antennas" or "chips" claiming various things
> about the EM, magnetic and other types of fields. Some people are
> spending huge amount of money on such devices. One of these is
> torser.
> http://www.torser.com/en/index.aspx
>
> Unfortunately none of these devices action can be verified using
> scientific procedures.

If the Enviro Chip really operates at 500-700THz, that's the frequency
range of visible light photons. I'd be surprised if there isn't a detector
for those !!

The way Envirochip and Torser are presented doesn't lend them any
credibility

Your paper on electrosmog is the type of thing you'd expect a scientific
claim to be backed up by, not hearsay and how many awards it's said
to have won

Scammers muddy the waters for consumers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_field_%28pseudoscience%29

I have people knock my door who are absolutely and genuinely
convinced about certain "facts". They can believe all they like, it
doesn't make them true, even when backed up by a book, but it
does demonstrate certain human characteristics and motivations

Joe


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2016\01\24@171618 by alan.b.pearce

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> I have people knock my door who are absolutely and genuinely convinced
> about certain "facts". They can believe all they like, it doesn't make them
> true, even when backed up by a book, but it does demonstrate certain
> human characteristics and motivations

So you haven't accepted a copy of Watchtower then ??? ;))))



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2016\01\24@183718 by IVP

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> So you haven't accepted a copy of Watchtower then ??? ;))))

Trying to keep this as secular as possible ...........

Well, yes actually. My late stepfather indulged them so they come
back every few weeks. Now he's gone, I do try to have a debate
with them. Unfortunately their organisation frowns on - to put it
mildly - independent thought and ideas so my views on how it
cherrypicks from science (which is evident from reading the WT
and other JW literature) to support its own interpretations and
disprove others' interpretations generally fall on unresponsive ears

As much as they believe, I don't

Which is the case for many groups - economists, socialists, educators,
polititians etc etc. There are as many opinions about how things should
be done as there are people. I do believe though that good scientists
are willing to accept new theories, ideas, can assess evidence and have
open minds.

But minds not so open that their brains fall out

The problem with what I started the thread about is that the product's
claims don't even reach the standards of circumstantial evidence. No
journal papers, no peer reviews, no (credible, with current or even
proposed science) explanations, no blind testing, no exhaustive lab
work ... Subjectiveness just doesn't cut it

They may well be on to something, but the back-up is too often so
piss poor, and a tiny grain of what might be truth is inflated beyond
common sense and credulity

Amen

Joe


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2016\01\24@192738 by RussellMc

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On 25 January 2016 at 12:37, IVP <.....joecolquittKILLspamspam@spam@clear.net.nz> wrote:


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​Surprisingly, perhaps, there is reference to a peer reviewed double blind
crossover study published in a reputable *sounding* journal, that supports
their claims re efficacy, with a copy on their website.

And, for practical purposes  I don't believe a bar of it, while keeping an
open mind. ​


​When I should have been spending more time getting something urgent done
(as always) I went through a few web refernces and made a list of similar
ounding journals. One is published by Springer and so [tm] has a good
chance of being reputable. One is FREE to publish in but that's because a
Taiwanese government agency pays the costs for accepted papers (must tell
my daughter) so it's probably OK. The other's LOOK fine but are quire
possible std paper-validation mills, as many such are.


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2016\01\24@215205 by IVP

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> ​Surprisingly, perhaps, there is reference to a peer reviewed double
> blind crossover study published in a reputable *sounding* journal,
> that supports their claims re efficacy, with a copy on their website

Have to admit I did see the link the first time through their site and
promptly forgot about it

If the study results are true and honest then it suggests that "something"
is going on. If the results are flawed for any reason though then you
might have to discount following claims, awards, validity of papers etc
based on that shakey ground

So, while I might give them the benefit of the doubt for at least trying
to justify their claims, I still don't understand some things

How do they decide the position of the Enviro Chip on the outside
of a desktop PC or monitor for example Does it make a difference ?

What is meant by terms like "100Hz microwave" ?

And more

Joe



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