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'[OT] Dremel Drill Press - Worth it or ripoff?'
2009\07\18@005830 by solarwind

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www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=247825-353-5000220-01&lpage=none

Worth the price or ripoff?

-- [ solarwind ] -- http://solar-blogg.blogspot.com/

2009\07\18@092347 by Jamie Lawson

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Hi,

I have found when working with these types of mounts that they are
difficult to square up and secure properly.

Since you're in Canada; for double the price you can a get quite a decent
10" drill press from Canadian Tire. On sale this week.

Jamie

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, solarwind wrote:

> http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=247825-353-5000220-01&lpage=none
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> Worth the price or ripoff?
>
> -- [ solarwind ] -- http://solar-blogg.blogspot.com/
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2009\07\18@094820 by Carl Denk

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I have a much older model, this looks much better. Yes, it should do the
job. Note that over the years the Dremel tool's shape has evolved and
older models may no mount in the drill press, router, or other
attachments. If you call dremel support, generally they have adapters to
make the older units fit the newer attachments, and other direction.
Also if you break one, they have a maximum price of around $35 for
repair or replacement. The replacement could be a factory repaired
current model, and I have been caught where it wouldn't work with my
drill press. Fortunately I have 2 Dremels and was able to continue while
they sent the adapters. The Dremel is a great small die grinder sort of
tool, for the heavier work I have a Milwaukee die grinder with 1/8" and
1/4" chucks. Dremel got bought out by Bosch :( a few years ago, and most
of the stuff is made in China, but the same support is still in Racine,
Wisconsin. :)

solarwind wrote:
> http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=247825-353-5000220-01&lpage=none
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> Worth the price or ripoff?
>
> -- [ solarwind ] -- http://solar-blogg.blogspot.com/
>  

2009\07\18@095532 by Carl Denk

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Have you used the Canadian drill press on PCB boards? Generally
inexpensive and larger (than a 1/8" max. chuck size) do not have
precision spindle and qull (the part that slides up and down) bearings
plus the chucks and spindles are not precision concentricity, which are
needed when drilling small holes( I'll say smaller than 1/16"). As I
said earlier, even my Delta drill press is not a proper machine for this
work.

I can't comment on the squaring up of the dremel drill press, mine is
maybe 20 years old, and does the job for the occasional PCB I make.

Jamie Lawson wrote:
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2009\07\18@112016 by Jamie Lawson

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Yes I have; but I do not generally use a bit smaller than 1mm (about #60).
Any bits I use that are smaller than #40 have a 1/8" shaft and taper down
to the specified drill size (Velleman).

I certainly agree on the lack of accuracy with respect to
concentricity but I do get better results with this drill press than the
Dremel and stand I have (probably about 20 years old also).

For the sale price of this drill press (<$100CDN) I think it's well worth
it for hobbiest work.

I only build prototypes, the end use being for research applications, so
hole size is not too critical. If more than a couple of boards are
required, I do get them from a circuit board house.

Jamie

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, Carl Denk wrote:

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2009\07\18@125338 by Clint Sharp

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In message <spam_OUTa94764e0907172158g307af42m9db65b57d2bc2fb5TakeThisOuTspammail.gmail.com>,
solarwind <.....x.solarwind.xKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com> writes
>www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=247825-353
>-5000220-01&lpage=none
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>Worth the price or ripoff?
>
>-- [ solarwind ] -- http://solar-blogg.blogspot.com/
I thought mine was worth the price for prototyping or one off boards. Of
course, 'worth the money' is very subjective.
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Clint Sharp

2009\07\18@133707 by Dwayne Reid

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At 10:58 PM 7/17/2009, solarwind wrote:
>http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=247825-353-5000220-01&lpage=none
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>Worth the price or ripoff?

I'm not real happy with that design.  I have a MUCH older version
that works very well for drilling PC boards - the Dremel tool is
stationary and the table that the PC board is sitting on moves up and
down.  UP, of course, is drilling.

The problem with that old design is that anybody who looked at it but
didn't actually use it thought that it was a stupid design and didn't
purchase it.  They wanted something that looked like a 'normal' drill
press looks like.  So: that's what Dremel now sells.

The advantage of the old design is that there is essentially NO
side-to-side slop as the table moves up and down.  That means that
you don't break drill bits.  The new Dremel drill press is much LESS
useful for drilling PC boards.

We used to make many of our own production PC boards (early '80's)
and made almost all of our own prototype PC boards in-house up until
a couple of years ago.  The guys in the shop used to get in excess of
10,000 holes per drill bit (carbide) using that simple Dremel drill
press.  The smallest bit we used was #66 - for some reason, much
easier to obtain and somewhat less expensive than the #67 bit that
everyone recommended back then.

Solarwind - if you do the garage-sale thing, keep your eyes open for
one of those old Dremel drill presses.  They really do work well.

dwayne

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Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd    Edmonton, AB, CANADA
(780) 489-3199 voice          (780) 487-6397 fax
http://www.trinity-electronics.com
Custom Electronics Design and Manufacturing

2009\07\18@140849 by Carl Denk

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My Dremel drill press is of the old design with the table that moves up
and down, that's not an issue. While on the subject, when buying a drill
press, always should grab the chuck, and tug back and forth in all
directions to check for excessive clearance on bearings and the quill
movement. Should be none apparent. When I was looking for the big drill
press, I looked at Sears craftsman and others, the Delta seemed best.
For high precision work, probably would want to use  a dial indicator. I
haven't touched the new model, will have to check it out when at the
tool store.

> The advantage of the old design is that there is essentially NO
> side-to-side slop as the table moves up and down.  That means that
> you don't break drill bits.  The new Dremel drill press is much LESS
> useful for drilling PC boards.
>
>  

2009\07\18@143600 by Adam Field

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>>Worth the price or ripoff?
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> I'm not real happy with that design.  I have a MUCH older version
> that works very well for drilling PC boards - the Dremel tool is
> stationary and the table that the PC board is sitting on moves up and
> down.  UP, of course, is drilling.
>

I have the new version, and I would say it's not worth the cost of the
dremel press (sold separately) plus a decent dremel. I do like being
able to remove the dremel and use it to modify plastics and aluminum
for custom enclosures, which you can't do with a drill press. The
press just manages to get by for drilling, with like you said, there
is too much slop. It's not where near as precise as a real (inexensive
even) press.

Of course too, the amount of workshop you have available matters too.
I don't have room for a real press so the dremel wins in that
category.

2009\07\20@143625 by Herbert Graf

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On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 00:58 -0400, solarwind wrote:
> www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=247825-353-5000220-01&lpage=none
>
> Worth the price or ripoff?

I don't really see the point. Small drill presses are regularly on sale
at CT and Walmart for similar prices, I'd wait for one of those sales.
TTYL

2009\07\20@143735 by Herbert Graf

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On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 09:55 -0400, Carl Denk wrote:
> Have you used the Canadian drill press on PCB boards? Generally
> inexpensive and larger (than a 1/8" max. chuck size) do not have
> precision spindle and qull (the part that slides up and down) bearings

True, but I've managed. It helps to divet the place you are drilling
when absolutely accuracy is needed, most of the time I don't bother.

TTYL

2009\07\20@210205 by Dwayne Reid

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I should mention that its pretty easy to make a decent little drill
press for a Dremel tool.  I don't draw well, so I hope that a verbal
description suffices.

Cut a couple of squares of 3/8" or 1/2" thick MDF or similar to 3.5"
square.  Drill round holes that will fit the Dremel tool - a small
hole that very tightly fits near the front of the Dremel, a larger
hole that fits the back end of the tool.  Cut a single slot from the
middle of one side through to the hole, drill a small hole that that
takes a wood screw such that tightening up the screw will tighten up the slot.

Mount the Dremel tool into the squares of MDF.  Line them up so that
the sides are parallel to each other.  Just lay the Dremel tool on
its side, allow the pieces of MDF to lie flat on the table, tighten
up the slots.

Now grab a piece of 2 X 4 lumber 12" or so long.  You also need 4
pieces of thin, long material - wood, aluminum, steel,
whatever.  Needs to be about 3/4" or 1" high, 1/8" thick, perhaps 8"
long.  Something that looks like giant Popsicle sticks.  A cut-up
yardstick or paint-stirring sticks work well.

Drill a 1/8" or 9/64" hole near each end of the 4 sticks (1/2" or
so).  You can stack all 4 and drill at the same time, if you
wish.  You do want all the holes to be in about the same location.

Figure out how you are going to hold that piece of 2 X 4
vertical.  You could bolt it to a base, or screw it to the back of
your workbench (assuming a narrow bench), or whatever.  It needs to
be vertical, both left to right as well as front to back.

Now measure how long the Dremel tool is with a typical drill bit
mounted in its collet from the tip of the drill bit to the middle of
the MDF squares.  The idea is that you are going to use the 4 sticks
to mount the Dremel tool to the 2 X 4 such that then the drill bit
has penetrated the PCB material that you are drilling, the sticks are
straight out from the tool to the 2 X 4.  Mount the sticks, make sure
the screws are just tight enough that you can move the Dremel tool up
and down but NOT side to side.  Use #4 screws if the holes are 1/8",
#6 screws if the holes are 9/64".  Flat steel washers on both sides
of the sticks (between the wood surfaces as well as between the screw
head and the stick) make the whole thing move up and down much easier.

Add an elastic band or two from the bottom piece of MDF at the front
of the Dremel tool to somewhere higher up on the 2 X 4 - that's the
return spring that lifts the Dremel tool up and away from the PCB material.

Note that the bit will move ever so slightly front to back as the
sticks that hold the Dremel to the 2 X 4 move up and down in an
arc.  Longer sticks minimize that effect.

That's pretty much it.  Less than an hours work.

dwayne

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Dwayne Reid   <.....dwaynerKILLspamspam.....planet.eon.net>
Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd    Edmonton, AB, CANADA
(780) 489-3199 voice          (780) 487-6397 fax
http://www.trinity-electronics.com
Custom Electronics Design and Manufacturing

2009\07\27@001600 by PicDude

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Tried it a few or more years ago, but found it very un-sturdy, and difficult
to achieve good accuracy.

Instead, for better bang for the buck, these go on sale for about $39
regularly in the stores....
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=38119

I actually used to get them for $30 a few years ago, and at that price I
have a few in the shop dedicated to a few of my common drill bit sizes.

And I've used these drill bits (they also go on significant sale regularly)
with great success on PCBs (which I'm assuming is your purpose?)...
www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34640
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44924

Cheers,
-Neil.





solarwind wrote:
>
> www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=247825-353-5000220-01&lpage=none
>
> Worth the price or ripoff?
>
> -- [ solarwind ] -- http://solar-blogg.blogspot.com/
> --

2009\07\27@153434 by solarwind

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On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:15 AM, PicDude<EraseMEpicdude2spam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTavn-tech.com> wrote:
> Tried it a few or more years ago, but found it very un-sturdy, and difficult
> to achieve good accuracy.
>
> Instead, for better bang for the buck, these go on sale for about $39
> regularly in the stores....
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=38119
>
> I actually used to get them for $30 a few years ago, and at that price I
> have a few in the shop dedicated to a few of my common drill bit sizes.
>
> And I've used these drill bits (they also go on significant sale regularly)
> with great success on PCBs (which I'm assuming is your purpose?)...
> www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34640
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44924

I swear - I'll buy one from you. I was looking for that for a while
and couldn't find it anywhere on sale...


'[OT] Dremel Drill Press - Worth it or ripoff?'
2009\08\01@192132 by PicDude
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LOL.  I'd pick up another when they come back on sale.  Put yourself on HF's
mailing list and they'll send you flyers with all the sales.  Note that the
sales in the stores are different than online, but the sale prices are good
either way.

Cheers,
-Neil.



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> I swear - I'll buy one from you. I was looking for that for a while
> and couldn't find it anywhere on sale...
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